The Problem with the 2009 Denver Broncos is... - The Orange Mane

Houshyamama · 11-10-2009, 06:33 PM

vote or die

tsiguy96 · 11-10-2009, 06:39 PM

you cant just put it ALL on the coaches or players. its both. offensive gameplan isnt where it needs to be, and players arent executing when the plays are there.

spdirty · 11-10-2009, 06:39 PM

1. offensive line.

2. Punter.

edit: interior of the offensive line excluding RG.

go_broncos · 11-10-2009, 06:41 PM

Offense and Coaching..You cant win games by throwing short passes all the time.

Swedish Extrovert · 11-10-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

1. offensive line.

2. Punter.

This

chadta · 11-10-2009, 06:53 PM

wheres the hey ya cant win em all we all knew we had to lose some games option ?

DBroncos4life · 11-10-2009, 07:08 PM

18.8 points per game is alarming. Only 16 of that per is coming from the O. Since week six we have gotten 9, bye week, 7, and 3 points from our O.

The problem is SD, Balt, and Pitt each had bye weeks before playing us. Having a extra week to look at film and prepare for us might be the reasons for the struggles that we have started to deal with.

azbroncfan · 11-10-2009, 07:13 PM

The fans!

baja · 11-10-2009, 07:15 PM

Where is the option;

There is nothing wrong with the 2009 Broncos in fact they are way ahead of schedule by anyone's measure.

bombay · 11-10-2009, 07:17 PM

I'm happy with the way this team has played so far for the most part.

baja · 11-10-2009, 07:19 PM

In our second year under Josh we will get better, keep that in mind

rbackfactory80 · 11-10-2009, 07:21 PM

Really sad. I always laughed at people who took breaks from this board thinking how could it bother you that bad. These threads are just nonsense. We have a team expected by some to win 3 games this year and we are 6-2 in the NF Freaking L. Plenty of teams that went on to win the superbowl were in the same position as we are right now, somehow I doubt there fans were stupid enough to complain like some "Broncos" fans are. This is really a joke and people need to check themselves and ask how am I mad being 6-2 at the half way point.

Houshyamama · 11-10-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

Really sad. I always laughed at people who took breaks from this board thinking how could it bother you that bad. These threads are just nonsense. We have a team expected by some to win 3 games this year and we are 6-2 in the NF Freaking L. Plenty of teams that went on to win the superbowl were in the same position as we are right now, somehow I doubt there fans were stupid enough to complain like some "Broncos" fans are. This is really a joke and people need to check themselves and ask how am I mad being 6-2 at the half way point.

Dude, relax. It's obvious we're not perfect and right now it looks like our offense is the weakness. It's just a poll, keep your panties on. I'm ecstatic to even have a winning record at this point, doesn't mean we can't have a civilized discussion about what this team's weakness is.

Popps · 11-10-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

The fans!

Seriously.

6-2... a little bit of adversity, and the panties are all knotted up around here.

What a disaster season, huh? 1st place at the half-way mark.

Stormontheplains · 11-10-2009, 07:53 PM

Would be a hell of alot better with Mike and Jay.

hambone13 · 11-10-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Would be a hell of alot better with Mike and Jay.

Definitely not better with Mike but perhaps better w/ JC. Josh has proven he's on his game coaching. If nothing else, he's done a great job convincing a great defensive coordinator to work by his side.

tsiguy96 · 11-10-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Would be a hell of alot better with Mike and Jay.

better than 6-2 and a dominant defense with the 2 ANTI-defensive people...gotcha

spdirty · 11-10-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

Really sad. I always laughed at people who took breaks from this board thinking how could it bother you that bad. These threads are just nonsense. We have a team expected by some to win 3 games this year and we are 6-2 in the NF Freaking L. Plenty of teams that went on to win the superbowl were in the same position as we are right now, somehow I doubt there fans were stupid enough to complain like some "Broncos" fans are. This is really a joke and people need to check themselves and ask how am I mad being 6-2 at the half way point.

Hey, we aren't in August anymore. Josh raised expectations by winning the first 6 games. We see that we have a good team and want to beat the ratbirds and c u m rag wavers. And its frustrating when we dont cuz we think we should. Hell any loss leads to a week of frustration. Which means bltching.

Right now my hope/expectation for this team is 11-5 or 12-4, a division title and a playoff win.

Tell me, would you be perfectly happy, content and hunky dory if we went 3-5 in the second half, and missed the playoffs but were a game better than last year and "everyone thought we would be 3-13 in August?"

Hey, no matter where you were projected to start the season, when you win and beat 3 6-2 teams and a 5-3 team then folks expect you to do well every week. And when you slip a couple weeks, maybe show a couple cracks in some areas, it becomes cause for concern. Because expectations were raised. Don't go around like that jackass in preseason and at the beginning going around questioning peoples fanhood like a giant douche. Just put it in perspective.

bombay · 11-10-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Would be a hell of alot better with Mike and Jay.

Like when Jay and Mike took a 7-4 team (with Plummer) that had gone to the AFC finals the season before, went 2-3 the rest of the way (with cutler) and missed the playoffs? Or the following season when they went 7-9? Or their crowning achievement last year - 8-8?

Ray Finkle · 11-10-2009, 08:40 PM

talent....this team is well coached but not talented enough to hang with the big boys...need to strengthen the lines and add at RB and QB.

strafen · 11-10-2009, 08:44 PM

Orton! No doubt.
We have arguably a better running game than we had last year. We definitely have a better defense.
We have the same OL personnel including coaches, we have the same RB coach.
We have the same players on offense as we had last year.
Orton has played all season long the same way he played against Pittsburgh, minus the INT's of course, but if you recall the game against Cincy, that's how he played; terrible. It took a miracle play to win that game. Starting 6-0 masked his performance, and nobody dared to call him out.
Aside from the New England game, he has been highly ineffective and irrelevant ALL SEASON LONG!.
Meaning he has done nothing to win the game, and nothing that could lose the game; game managing doesn't get you 1st downs or scores..
As I've said in another post, he's making it easier for opposing defenses to come after us on virtually every down. It doesn't matter if we're going to run the ball, or if we're going to pass the ball, crowding the line up applies to both of our options.
They will equally stop the run as they would the pass.That's what happens when they bring the safeties in to shut down our 20-yard perimeter that our offense operates in. And before you say Orton runs what it gets called, let me remind you we saw a different wide open offense when Brandstater had an extra week to prepare to play a full preseason game.Simms also showed we can also throw the ball deep and stretch defenses.Here's how we rank this year. Pathetic!

Passing yards: 17th
Rushing yards: 18th
Rushing TDs: 24th
Passing TDs: 24th
Scoring: 22nd

sisterhellfyre · 11-10-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

1. offensive line.

2. Punter.

edit: interior of the offensive line excluding RG.

Ditto and QFT.

enjolras · 11-10-2009, 10:59 PM

Playing the two most physical defenses in the NFL is what's "wrong" with the Broncos. We currently don't have the offensive line (Left Guard/Center) to matchup. Our running backs are also TERRIBLE in pass protection.

That isn't a problem with any team left on the schedule with the possible exception of the Giants (and no, Washington doesn't play at nearly the physical level of our previous two opponents).

We're going to be just fine.

Hulamau · 11-10-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Seriously.

6-2... a little bit of adversity, and the panties are all knotted up around here.

What a disaster season, huh? 1st place at the half-way mark.

I'm in the tub now, hot water running and razor blade sharpened

Houshyamama · 11-10-2009, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popps

Seriously.

6-2... a little bit of adversity, and the panties are all knotted up around here.

What a disaster season, huh? 1st place at the half-way mark.

Nothing wrong with striving for perfection. I don't understand the problem.

View Poll Results: What's the problem
The Offense: Players; Lack of production leaves our quality D on the field for too long	49	63.64%
The Offense: Coaching; Predictable play calling and few big plays	26	33.77%
The Defense: Coaching; Failed second half adjustments against Balitmore and Pittsburgh	1	1.30%
The Defense: Players; Lack of size on D line, old secondary gets tired, poor LB play	1	1.30%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

11-10-2009, 06:33 PM	#1
Houshyamama I Make The Weather Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,853 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brock Osweiler	The Problem with the 2009 Denver Broncos is... vote or die

11-10-2009, 06:39 PM	#3
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	1. offensive line. 2. Punter. edit: interior of the offensive line excluding RG. Last edited by spdirty; 11-10-2009 at 06:43 PM..

11-10-2009, 08:44 PM	#21
strafen Karma Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,928 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elway	Orton! No doubt. We have arguably a better running game than we had last year. We definitely have a better defense. We have the same OL personnel including coaches, we have the same RB coach. We have the same players on offense as we had last year. Orton has played all season long the same way he played against Pittsburgh, minus the INT's of course, but if you recall the game against Cincy, that's how he played; terrible. It took a miracle play to win that game. Starting 6-0 masked his performance, and nobody dared to call him out. Aside from the New England game, he has been highly ineffective and irrelevant ALL SEASON LONG!. Meaning he has done nothing to win the game, and nothing that could lose the game; game managing doesn't get you 1st downs or scores.. As I've said in another post, he's making it easier for opposing defenses to come after us on virtually every down. It doesn't matter if we're going to run the ball, or if we're going to pass the ball, crowding the line up applies to both of our options. They will equally stop the run as they would the pass.That's what happens when they bring the safeties in to shut down our 20-yard perimeter that our offense operates in. And before you say Orton runs what it gets called, let me remind you we saw a different wide open offense when Brandstater had an extra week to prepare to play a full preseason game.Simms also showed we can also throw the ball deep and stretch defenses.Here's how we rank this year. Pathetic! Passing yards: 17th Rushing yards: 18th Rushing TDs: 24th Passing TDs: 24th Scoring: 22nd Last edited by strafen; 11-10-2009 at 08:49 PM..

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11-10-2009, 06:39 PM	#2
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	you cant just put it ALL on the coaches or players. its both. offensive gameplan isnt where it needs to be, and players arent executing when the plays are there.

11-10-2009, 06:41 PM	#4
go_broncos Ring of Famer **** you Bill Vinovich Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 5,218 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Offense and Coaching..You cant win games by throwing short passes all the time.

11-10-2009, 06:53 PM	#6
chadta Atomic Meatball Keeper Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 2,837 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Mc Rib	wheres the hey ya cant win em all we all knew we had to lose some games option ?

11-10-2009, 07:08 PM	#7
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,522	18.8 points per game is alarming. Only 16 of that per is coming from the O. Since week six we have gotten 9, bye week, 7, and 3 points from our O. The problem is SD, Balt, and Pitt each had bye weeks before playing us. Having a extra week to look at film and prepare for us might be the reasons for the struggles that we have started to deal with.

11-10-2009, 07:13 PM	#8
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	The fans!

11-10-2009, 07:15 PM	#9
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,763 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Where is the option; There is nothing wrong with the 2009 Broncos in fact they are way ahead of schedule by anyone's measure.

11-10-2009, 07:17 PM	#10
bombay Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: denver Posts: 4,326	I'm happy with the way this team has played so far for the most part.

11-10-2009, 07:19 PM	#11
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,763 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	In our second year under Josh we will get better, keep that in mind

11-10-2009, 07:21 PM	#12
rbackfactory80 Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,606	Really sad. I always laughed at people who took breaks from this board thinking how could it bother you that bad. These threads are just nonsense. We have a team expected by some to win 3 games this year and we are 6-2 in the NF Freaking L. Plenty of teams that went on to win the superbowl were in the same position as we are right now, somehow I doubt there fans were stupid enough to complain like some "Broncos" fans are. This is really a joke and people need to check themselves and ask how am I mad being 6-2 at the half way point.

11-10-2009, 07:53 PM	#15
Stormontheplains Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bronco Nation Posts: 1,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Andre Hall	Would be a hell of alot better with Mike and Jay.

11-10-2009, 08:40 PM	#20
Ray Finkle DOOONNNTTTTT CAAARRREEE! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 7,401	talent....this team is well coached but not talented enough to hang with the big boys...need to strengthen the lines and add at RB and QB.

11-10-2009, 10:59 PM	#23
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,939	Playing the two most physical defenses in the NFL is what's "wrong" with the Broncos. We currently don't have the offensive line (Left Guard/Center) to matchup. Our running backs are also TERRIBLE in pass protection. That isn't a problem with any team left on the schedule with the possible exception of the Giants (and no, Washington doesn't play at nearly the physical level of our previous two opponents). We're going to be just fine.