The I-formation and Moreno - The Orange Mane

rastaman · 11-08-2009, 07:55 PM

Anybody here think our running attack and Moreno would be much more effective if Moreno was allowed to run out of the I-formation, with a lead FB blocking for him occassionally? I think Orton throwing out of the I-formation would also give him two RB's to block thus adding max protection against the Steelers pass rush and blitz's.

KS Bronco · 11-08-2009, 07:57 PM

worth a shot. i'd like to see some more wild horses this week as well. steelers are a smart bunch, any little change from game films will help

Garcia Bronco · 11-08-2009, 08:01 PM

Maybe this week...we switch to South Paw.

watermock · 11-08-2009, 08:19 PM

Apparently not, since we spent a second on Quinn.

Florida_Bronco · 11-08-2009, 09:32 PM

Except that McDaniel's offense doesn't use the I-formation much.

houghtam · 11-08-2009, 09:41 PM

Who would we get as FB? Not Hillis, he'd probably find a way to fumble it without even carrying the ball.

Kaylore · 11-08-2009, 09:43 PM

We don't do PA passes at all really and that annoys me. It's like we either line up under center and run or throw out of the shotgun.

Popps · 11-08-2009, 10:29 PM

Orton isn't a great drop-back passer. He's much more effective out of the gun. I agree, the play-action would help out... but I'm going to guess that Kyle's rating as a drop-back passer is probably 30 points worse than out of the gun. (Just a guess.)

I do think we'll see a bit more formation variety in the near future, but the shotgun will be the bread and butter.

Popps · 11-08-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

Apparently not, since we spent a second on Quinn.

Good lord, man... what does that even mean?

What a sad existence.

Why do you bother pretending to be a fan, Mock. You're 100% troll, dude. Just useless.

watermock · 11-08-2009, 10:44 PM

Jesus.

Actually you're they troll.

If McD cared about getting a fulback to run the I,, and didn't like Hillis, he could of gotten one=, rather than a 3rd TE with questionable skills in the 2nd round.

snowspot66 · 11-08-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

Jesus.

Actually you're they troll.

If McD cared about getting a fulback to run the I,, and didn't like Hillis, he could of gotten one=, rather than a 3rd TE with questionable skills in the 2nd round.

Or he could just put in Larsen instead.

BroncoMan4ever · 11-08-2009, 11:00 PM

i miss the play action plays. i know Orton isn't a great mobile QB, but he has at least the ability to roll out on a play action pass.

also, another way i feel Moreno would be used well is with pitch plays that allow him to get outside the Tackles instead of him going straight ahead right up the gut.

Kaylore · 11-08-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

Jesus.

Actually you're they troll.

If McD cared about getting a fulback to run the I,, and didn't like Hillis, he could of gotten one=, rather than a 3rd TE with questionable skills in the 2nd round.

You're a complete idiot if you think any team wastes second or even third round picks on a fullback. You've ripped on everything McDaniels has done and we're 6-1. Why don't you quit acting like a bitter moron and wake up to the fact that he's a good coach who built a good team.

Cutler's gone and he's playing .500 ball just like he did here, probably because the team doesn't want to play for him because he's a douche that estranges teammates from him and sours the locker room. Go root for their fail team.

watermock · 11-08-2009, 11:36 PM

I never said that. And this has NOTHING to do with Cutler.

IF, he wanted to run the I he would of brought in someone he liked., and Quinn, Larsen or Hillis aren't true Fullbacks.

You'll have to ask McD why Hillis never sees the field. Ask your buddy Popps, he had his nose up his ass all offseason.

UberBroncoMan · 11-08-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam

Who would we get as FB? Not Hillis, he'd probably find a way to fumble it without even carrying the ball.

Problem your assumption with Hillis is that he only has 1 fumble this year (on a kickoff return) and Moreno has 3. Lets be fair here.

In fact that's the only fumble in Hillis's career... he was perfect last year with ball control.

rastaman · 11-09-2009, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houghtam

Who would we get as FB? Not Hillis, he'd probably find a way to fumble it without even carrying the ball.

Moreno has fumbled more than Hillis has!

Broncos_OTM · 11-09-2009, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watermock

Jesus.

Actually you're they troll.

If McD cared about getting a fulback to run the I,, and didn't like Hillis, he could of gotten one=, rather than a 3rd TE with questionable skills in the 2nd round.

you and your doom and gloom cheap shots this offseason have made your bed. now man up and sleep in it.

lex · 11-09-2009, 07:00 AM

Youd think the PA would help with opening up passing windows for Orton and even help getting bigger chunks of yards. It helps if youre able to run though. With the lack of time Orton had against the Ravens, PA could have backfired in a lot of instances.

cmhargrove · 11-09-2009, 07:12 AM

I don't think Moreno's issues are "formational."

I think he is a rookie, and he is getting used to how to attack NFL caliber LB's. I would actually like to see Moreno get more check down passes in the middle of the field. I like his chances when he starts with a little open space (ala Forte from last year).

The best thing for Moreno would be us completing a couple deep passes early in the game.

Lev Vyvanse · 11-09-2009, 07:19 AM

Yes.
We should also run the option out of a inverted wishbone.

Beantown Bronco · 11-09-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rastaman

Moreno has fumbled more than Hillis has!

Hillis is fumbling once every 7 touches this season.
Moreno is fumbling once every 40 touches this season.

UberBroncoMan · 11-09-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Hillis is fumbling once every 7 touches this season.
Moreno is fumbling once every 40 touches this season.

You should probably count "career" touches seeing as how Hillis didn't fumble once last year. Also his fumble this year was a kick return.

rastaman · 11-09-2009, 08:41 PM

McD needs to try some I-formation blocking for the running game and to max protect Orton against teams that blitz. The announcers just mentioned that the Defense got worn down tonight and the runnning game didn't even get one first down tonight.

Denver's O line can't open holes with just their front five.....and zone blocking is all but abandoned.

Denver's running attack needs to switch to the I formation or its going to get ugly.

11-08-2009, 07:55 PM	#1
rastaman Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,180 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The I-formation and Moreno Anybody here think our running attack and Moreno would be much more effective if Moreno was allowed to run out of the I-formation, with a lead FB blocking for him occassionally? I think Orton throwing out of the I-formation would also give him two RB's to block thus adding max protection against the Steelers pass rush and blitz's.

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11-08-2009, 07:57 PM	#2
KS Bronco Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 256 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steven Johnson	worth a shot. i'd like to see some more wild horses this week as well. steelers are a smart bunch, any little change from game films will help

11-08-2009, 08:01 PM	#3
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Maybe this week...we switch to South Paw.

11-08-2009, 08:19 PM	#4
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Apparently not, since we spent a second on Quinn.

11-08-2009, 09:32 PM	#5
Florida_Bronco Got trolls? Welcome to Mile High, Brady! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 13,810 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brady Quinn	Except that McDaniel's offense doesn't use the I-formation much.

11-08-2009, 09:41 PM	#6
houghtam WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION MethWolfeAlliance Member #11001001 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 5,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: Demon Eagles	Who would we get as FB? Not Hillis, he'd probably find a way to fumble it without even carrying the ball.

11-08-2009, 09:43 PM	#7
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	We don't do PA passes at all really and that annoys me. It's like we either line up under center and run or throw out of the shotgun.

11-08-2009, 10:29 PM	#8
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Orton isn't a great drop-back passer. He's much more effective out of the gun. I agree, the play-action would help out... but I'm going to guess that Kyle's rating as a drop-back passer is probably 30 points worse than out of the gun. (Just a guess.) I do think we'll see a bit more formation variety in the near future, but the shotgun will be the bread and butter.

11-08-2009, 10:44 PM	#10
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Jesus. Actually you're they troll. If McD cared about getting a fulback to run the I,, and didn't like Hillis, he could of gotten one=, rather than a 3rd TE with questionable skills in the 2nd round.

11-08-2009, 11:00 PM	#12
BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,555 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	i miss the play action plays. i know Orton isn't a great mobile QB, but he has at least the ability to roll out on a play action pass. also, another way i feel Moreno would be used well is with pitch plays that allow him to get outside the Tackles instead of him going straight ahead right up the gut.

11-08-2009, 11:36 PM	#14
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I never said that. And this has NOTHING to do with Cutler. IF, he wanted to run the I he would of brought in someone he liked., and Quinn, Larsen or Hillis aren't true Fullbacks. You'll have to ask McD why Hillis never sees the field. Ask your buddy Popps, he had his nose up his ass all offseason.

11-09-2009, 07:00 AM	#18
lex Bowlen Sold Us Out! The Broncos have been DisemBowlened Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 10,253 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Youd think the PA would help with opening up passing windows for Orton and even help getting bigger chunks of yards. It helps if youre able to run though. With the lack of time Orton had against the Ravens, PA could have backfired in a lot of instances.

11-09-2009, 07:12 AM	#19
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I don't think Moreno's issues are "formational." I think he is a rookie, and he is getting used to how to attack NFL caliber LB's. I would actually like to see Moreno get more check down passes in the middle of the field. I like his chances when he starts with a little open space (ala Forte from last year). The best thing for Moreno would be us completing a couple deep passes early in the game.

11-09-2009, 07:19 AM	#20
Lev Vyvanse Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 3,040	Yes. We should also run the option out of a inverted wishbone.

11-09-2009, 08:41 PM	#23
rastaman Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,180 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	McD needs to try some I-formation blocking for the running game and to max protect Orton against teams that blitz. The announcers just mentioned that the Defense got worn down tonight and the runnning game didn't even get one first down tonight. Denver's O line can't open holes with just their front five.....and zone blocking is all but abandoned. Denver's running attack needs to switch to the I formation or its going to get ugly.