even fabian washington says we need to throw down field - The Orange Mane

tsiguy96 · 11-02-2009, 09:32 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12456882

we saw it all preseason, mcdaniels reverted to the screens all day. he has to let orton toss it down field, hes not THAT bad and if he throws a pick, so what atleast the defense will take notice that we are trying to move the ball downfield.

RhymesayersDU · 11-02-2009, 09:38 PM

Perhaps we do, but we'll never be able to if our line can't keep Orton up for more than 3 seconds.

I mean, a lot of those plays Hamilton was getting beat before he was even out of his stance.

tsiguy96 · 11-02-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Perhaps we do, but we'll never be able to if our line can't keep Orton up for more than 3 seconds.

I mean, a lot of those plays Hamilton was getting beat before he was even out of his stance.

i agree, just saying when the threat isnt even there, they dont need to protect a lot of the field. i dont think tossing downfield is smart every single play like the raiders as it clearly doesnt work, but the offense has to keep the THREAT of going downfield real to open up the underneath routes, and right now that threat isnt there because it looks like ortons first several reads are just 5 yards away. however, cassel went through the same progressions last year with the pats and eventually they started letting him throw downfield.

ZONA · 11-02-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tsiguy96

however, cassel went through the same progressions last year with the pats and eventually they started letting him throw downfield.

Excellent point there.

Killericon · 11-02-2009, 11:27 PM

I don't think I want to see Orton throwing downfield.

UberBroncoMan · 11-03-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Killericon

I don't think I want to see Orton throwing downfield.

He should have been picked off 3 times with 2 going for 6 vs Baltimore.

That said... he does need to throw downfield even thought he ****ing sucks at it. I believe he has 11% completion of 20 yards + rofl. His 10-20 was something like 30% too which is horrid.

_Oro_ · 11-03-2009, 05:24 AM

Couldn't find any other threads this might be relevant?

barryr · 11-03-2009, 05:48 AM

If the o-line protects better, then throwing down the field is an option. If the o-line keeps playing like they did against the Ravens, having time to just throw the shorter routes is a chore.

LRtagger · 11-03-2009, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan

He should have been picked off 3 times with 2 going for 6 vs Baltimore.

That said... he does need to throw downfield even thought he ****ing sucks at it. I believe he has 11% completion of 20 yards + rofl. His 10-20 was something like 30% too which is horrid.

FALSE

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. 18 for 36 315 yards 50.0% 1 TD 0 INT 89.5 Rating

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 for 14 166 yards 42.9% 1 TD 0 INT 111.0 Rating

BossChief · 11-03-2009, 06:02 AM

Ed Reed would have been licking his chops if Orton put the ball up deep.

BroncoInferno · 11-03-2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LRtagger

FALSE

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. 18 for 36 315 yards 50.0% 1 TD 0 INT 89.5 Rating

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 for 14 166 yards 42.9% 1 TD 0 INT 111.0 Rating

UberBroncoMan caught just making **** up.

In any case, We do need more attempts downfield. We are averaging about two a game, probably need to double that so it become a real threat. That said, the line will have to protect better than they did Sunday. There was no time for deep pass plays develop even had they been called.

bronco militia · 11-03-2009, 07:33 AM

"They don't throw it down the field," Ravens cornerback Fabian Washington said. "They don't take a lot of chances. We've taken a lot of abuse around here for the way we've played on the corners, and I can accept it because we haven't played well. But they didn't even try and throw it down the field. With that No. 15, you'd think they'd just throw it up once in a while."

chicken **** offense

bronco militia · 11-03-2009, 07:35 AM

that was an interesting article....damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of deal with orton. The bottom line is that he has to go out there and make a play.

BroncoInferno · 11-03-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

that was an interesting article....damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of deal with orton. The bottom line is that he has to go out there and make a play.

Yeah, Orton should have pass blocked better for himself so deep patterns would have time to develop downfield. It also would have helped to keep pressure off of him if he hadn't had such a piss poor game run blocking as well.

You guys are unreal. Orton beats three playoff caliber teams in a row playing lights out in the 4th quarter, and he has one medicore game and you act like it means he sucks. Idiots.

broncofan2438 · 11-03-2009, 07:42 AM

Offense was ugly on Sunday. Hard to even watch. MCD better pull his head out of his ass and come up with some better plays. For the offensive mastermind, I dont see crap.

bronco militia · 11-03-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Yeah, Orton should have pass blocked better for himself so deep patterns would have time to develop downfield. It also would have helped to keep pressure off of him if he hadn't had such a piss poor game run blocking as well.

You guys are unreal. Orton beats three playoff caliber teams in a row playing lights out in the 4th quarter, and he has one medicore game and you act like it means he sucks. Idiots.

if you're satisfied, then so be it.

I'm not becasue this is the same crap we saw before plummer and cutler got here.

thank god McD fixed the defense.

alkemical · 11-03-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

if you're satisfied, then so be it.

I'm not becasue this is the same crap we saw before plummer and cutler got here.

thank god McD fixed the defense.

Exactamundo!

dbfan4life · 11-03-2009, 07:49 AM

We have the waepons to go donwfield. I really believe we do. I think that McD has Orton programmed to not take those shots. How many times have you seen Orton chewed out this season? You take enough ass chewings and you become tentative. Look at Plummer, for exapmle. He took a lot a rippings from Shanahan and he was a different player. Maybe I'm reaching here but there's no reason for this team to not excel with the talent we have on that side of the ball.

BroncoInferno · 11-03-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

if you're satisfied, then so be it.

I'm not becasue this is the same crap we saw before plummer and cutler got here.

thank god McD fixed the defense.

Last seasons offense with Cutler was not very good. After a hot start in the first three games, they averaged less than 20 points per game in the final 13 games of the season and were a turnover machine. But go ahead and believe the myth that this offense was some juggernaut under Cutler. The numbers show that for the bulk of last season it wasn't much more productive than this offense, and probably less when you factor in the negative impact of the turnovers.

Am I satisfied? No. We need to get better for sure. But it's far more complex than the lame "Orton sucks" takes we get from some of you.

alkemical · 11-03-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Last seasons offense with Cutler was not very good. After a hot start in the first three games, they averaged less than 20 points per game in the final 13 games of the season and were a turnover machine. But go ahead and believe the myth that this offense was some juggernaut under Cutler. The numbers show that for the bulk of last season it wasn't much more productive than this offense, and probably less when you factor in the negative impact of the turnovers.

Am I satisfied? No. We need to get better for sure. But it's far more complex than the lame "Orton sucks" takes we get from some of you.

Much more complex like Cutler sucks..... lol

Bronco Warrior · 11-03-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LRtagger

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Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. 18 for 36 315 yards 50.0% 1 TD 0 INT 89.5 Rating

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 for 14 166 yards 42.9% 1 TD 0 INT 111.0 Rating

Does this count YAC or position downfeild where ball was caught? Cause if it doesn't count YAC I call bulshiK. And go 30 or more he has one 5 games ago to Gaffney.

Seriouslly when you attempt less than 2 passes over 20 yards a game with almost 60% chance it will be incomplete, and worse than that on anything longer you aren't much of a threat past 20 yards. How sad is that, with the big play guys we have in Marshall and Royal? I guarentee that most of the misses are from 25 to 30 on that longer stat.

Proves my point that nobody respects Orton's deep ball and they don't have to play the whole field. But, I'm just a hater and was cheap shotted every thread since the game for suggesting the same thing. Funny how flamers end up getting proved they don't know Shiet!

alkemical · 11-03-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Warrior

Does this count YAC or position downfeild where ball was caught? Cause if it doesn't count YAC I call bulshiK. And go 30 or more he has one 5 games ago to Gaffney.

Seriouslly when you attempt less than 2 passes over 20 yards a game with almost 60% chance it will be incomplete, and worse than that on anything longer you aren't much of a threat past 20 yards. How sad is that, with the big play guys we have in Marshall and Royal? I guarentee that most of the misses are from 25 to 30 on that longer stat.

Proves my point that nobody respects Orton's deep ball and they don't have to play the whole field. But, I'm just a hater and was cheap shotted every thread since the game for suggesting the same thing. Funny how flamers end up getting proved they don't know Shiet!

Word man, i'm dealing with that exact same problem.

BroncoInferno · 11-03-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

Much more complex like Cutler sucks..... lol

Well, the numbers thus far show he doesn't suck any less than Orton, at any rate

alkemical · 11-03-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Well, the numbers thus far show he doesn't suck any less than Orton, at any rate

tsiguy96 · 11-03-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

Word man, i'm dealing with that exact same problem.

dude, you are agreeing with bronco warrior, that should prove you are totally wrong. its like agreeing with rastaman or lex, just dont do it.

11-02-2009, 09:32 PM	#1
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,563 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	even fabian washington says we need to throw down field http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12456882 we saw it all preseason, mcdaniels reverted to the screens all day. he has to let orton toss it down field, hes not THAT bad and if he throws a pick, so what atleast the defense will take notice that we are trying to move the ball downfield.

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11-02-2009, 09:38 PM	#2
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,850 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Perhaps we do, but we'll never be able to if our line can't keep Orton up for more than 3 seconds. I mean, a lot of those plays Hamilton was getting beat before he was even out of his stance.

11-02-2009, 11:27 PM	#5
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	I don't think I want to see Orton throwing downfield.

11-03-2009, 05:24 AM	#7
_Oro_ Formerly known as Casson *Don't run that sht this way.** Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 1,199 Adopt-a-Bronco: - R. Ayers	Couldn't find any other threads this might be relevant?

11-03-2009, 05:48 AM	#8
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,278 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	If the o-line protects better, then throwing down the field is an option. If the o-line keeps playing like they did against the Ravens, having time to just throw the shorter routes is a chore.

11-03-2009, 06:02 AM	#10
BossChief not a troll not a troll Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 372 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Ed Reed would have been licking his chops if Orton put the ball up deep.

11-03-2009, 07:33 AM	#12
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,716	"They don't throw it down the field," Ravens cornerback Fabian Washington said. "They don't take a lot of chances. We've taken a lot of abuse around here for the way we've played on the corners, and I can accept it because we haven't played well. But they didn't even try and throw it down the field. With that No. 15, you'd think they'd just throw it up once in a while." chicken **** offense

11-03-2009, 07:35 AM	#13
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,716	that was an interesting article....damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of deal with orton. The bottom line is that he has to go out there and make a play.

11-03-2009, 07:42 AM	#15
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Offense was ugly on Sunday. Hard to even watch. MCD better pull his head out of his ass and come up with some better plays. For the offensive mastermind, I dont see crap.

11-03-2009, 07:49 AM	#18
dbfan4life Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 2,499	We have the waepons to go donwfield. I really believe we do. I think that McD has Orton programmed to not take those shots. How many times have you seen Orton chewed out this season? You take enough ass chewings and you become tentative. Look at Plummer, for exapmle. He took a lot a rippings from Shanahan and he was a different player. Maybe I'm reaching here but there's no reason for this team to not excel with the talent we have on that side of the ball.