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Old 11-02-2009, 10:32 PM   #1
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Default even fabian washington says we need to throw down field

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12456882

we saw it all preseason, mcdaniels reverted to the screens all day. he has to let orton toss it down field, hes not THAT bad and if he throws a pick, so what atleast the defense will take notice that we are trying to move the ball downfield.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:38 PM   #2
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Perhaps we do, but we'll never be able to if our line can't keep Orton up for more than 3 seconds.

I mean, a lot of those plays Hamilton was getting beat before he was even out of his stance.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:43 PM   #3
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Perhaps we do, but we'll never be able to if our line can't keep Orton up for more than 3 seconds.

I mean, a lot of those plays Hamilton was getting beat before he was even out of his stance.
i agree, just saying when the threat isnt even there, they dont need to protect a lot of the field. i dont think tossing downfield is smart every single play like the raiders as it clearly doesnt work, but the offense has to keep the THREAT of going downfield real to open up the underneath routes, and right now that threat isnt there because it looks like ortons first several reads are just 5 yards away. however, cassel went through the same progressions last year with the pats and eventually they started letting him throw downfield.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:21 AM   #4
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however, cassel went through the same progressions last year with the pats and eventually they started letting him throw downfield.
Excellent point there.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:27 AM   #5
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I don't think I want to see Orton throwing downfield.
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I don't think I want to see Orton throwing downfield.
He should have been picked off 3 times with 2 going for 6 vs Baltimore.

That said... he does need to throw downfield even thought he ****ing sucks at it. I believe he has 11% completion of 20 yards + rofl. His 10-20 was something like 30% too which is horrid.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:24 AM   #7
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Couldn't find any other threads this might be relevant?
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If the o-line protects better, then throwing down the field is an option. If the o-line keeps playing like they did against the Ravens, having time to just throw the shorter routes is a chore.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:55 AM   #9
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He should have been picked off 3 times with 2 going for 6 vs Baltimore.

That said... he does need to throw downfield even thought he ****ing sucks at it. I believe he has 11% completion of 20 yards + rofl. His 10-20 was something like 30% too which is horrid.
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Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 for 14 166 yards 42.9% 1 TD 0 INT 111.0 Rating
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Ed Reed would have been licking his chops if Orton put the ball up deep.
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:09 AM   #11
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Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. 18 for 36 315 yards 50.0% 1 TD 0 INT 89.5 Rating

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 for 14 166 yards 42.9% 1 TD 0 INT 111.0 Rating
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In any case, We do need more attempts downfield. We are averaging about two a game, probably need to double that so it become a real threat. That said, the line will have to protect better than they did Sunday. There was no time for deep pass plays develop even had they been called.
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"They don't throw it down the field," Ravens cornerback Fabian Washington said. "They don't take a lot of chances. We've taken a lot of abuse around here for the way we've played on the corners, and I can accept it because we haven't played well. But they didn't even try and throw it down the field. With that No. 15, you'd think they'd just throw it up once in a while."

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that was an interesting article....damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of deal with orton. The bottom line is that he has to go out there and make a play.
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that was an interesting article....damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of deal with orton. The bottom line is that he has to go out there and make a play.
Yeah, Orton should have pass blocked better for himself so deep patterns would have time to develop downfield. It also would have helped to keep pressure off of him if he hadn't had such a piss poor game run blocking as well.

You guys are unreal. Orton beats three playoff caliber teams in a row playing lights out in the 4th quarter, and he has one medicore game and you act like it means he sucks. Idiots.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:42 AM   #15
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Offense was ugly on Sunday. Hard to even watch. MCD better pull his head out of his ass and come up with some better plays. For the offensive mastermind, I dont see crap.
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Yeah, Orton should have pass blocked better for himself so deep patterns would have time to develop downfield. It also would have helped to keep pressure off of him if he hadn't had such a piss poor game run blocking as well.

You guys are unreal. Orton beats three playoff caliber teams in a row playing lights out in the 4th quarter, and he has one medicore game and you act like it means he sucks. Idiots.
if you're satisfied, then so be it.

I'm not becasue this is the same crap we saw before plummer and cutler got here.

thank god McD fixed the defense.
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if you're satisfied, then so be it.

I'm not becasue this is the same crap we saw before plummer and cutler got here.

thank god McD fixed the defense.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:49 AM   #18
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We have the waepons to go donwfield. I really believe we do. I think that McD has Orton programmed to not take those shots. How many times have you seen Orton chewed out this season? You take enough ass chewings and you become tentative. Look at Plummer, for exapmle. He took a lot a rippings from Shanahan and he was a different player. Maybe I'm reaching here but there's no reason for this team to not excel with the talent we have on that side of the ball.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:53 AM   #19
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if you're satisfied, then so be it.

I'm not becasue this is the same crap we saw before plummer and cutler got here.

thank god McD fixed the defense.
Last seasons offense with Cutler was not very good. After a hot start in the first three games, they averaged less than 20 points per game in the final 13 games of the season and were a turnover machine. But go ahead and believe the myth that this offense was some juggernaut under Cutler. The numbers show that for the bulk of last season it wasn't much more productive than this offense, and probably less when you factor in the negative impact of the turnovers.

Am I satisfied? No. We need to get better for sure. But it's far more complex than the lame "Orton sucks" takes we get from some of you.
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Last seasons offense with Cutler was not very good. After a hot start in the first three games, they averaged less than 20 points per game in the final 13 games of the season and were a turnover machine. But go ahead and believe the myth that this offense was some juggernaut under Cutler. The numbers show that for the bulk of last season it wasn't much more productive than this offense, and probably less when you factor in the negative impact of the turnovers.

Am I satisfied? No. We need to get better for sure. But it's far more complex than the lame "Orton sucks" takes we get from some of you.
Much more complex like Cutler sucks..... lol
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Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. 18 for 36 315 yards 50.0% 1 TD 0 INT 89.5 Rating

Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 for 14 166 yards 42.9% 1 TD 0 INT 111.0 Rating
Does this count YAC or position downfeild where ball was caught? Cause if it doesn't count YAC I call bulshiK. And go 30 or more he has one 5 games ago to Gaffney.

Seriouslly when you attempt less than 2 passes over 20 yards a game with almost 60% chance it will be incomplete, and worse than that on anything longer you aren't much of a threat past 20 yards. How sad is that, with the big play guys we have in Marshall and Royal? I guarentee that most of the misses are from 25 to 30 on that longer stat.

Proves my point that nobody respects Orton's deep ball and they don't have to play the whole field. But, I'm just a hater and was cheap shotted every thread since the game for suggesting the same thing. Funny how flamers end up getting proved they don't know Shiet!
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Does this count YAC or position downfeild where ball was caught? Cause if it doesn't count YAC I call bulshiK. And go 30 or more he has one 5 games ago to Gaffney.

Seriouslly when you attempt less than 2 passes over 20 yards a game with almost 60% chance it will be incomplete, and worse than that on anything longer you aren't much of a threat past 20 yards. How sad is that, with the big play guys we have in Marshall and Royal? I guarentee that most of the misses are from 25 to 30 on that longer stat.

Proves my point that nobody respects Orton's deep ball and they don't have to play the whole field. But, I'm just a hater and was cheap shotted every thread since the game for suggesting the same thing. Funny how flamers end up getting proved they don't know Shiet!


Word man, i'm dealing with that exact same problem.
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Much more complex like Cutler sucks..... lol
Well, the numbers thus far show he doesn't suck any less than Orton, at any rate
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Well, the numbers thus far show he doesn't suck any less than Orton, at any rate
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Word man, i'm dealing with that exact same problem.
dude, you are agreeing with bronco warrior, that should prove you are totally wrong. its like agreeing with rastaman or lex, just dont do it.
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