It's pretty simple really - The Orange Mane

crazyhorse · 11-02-2009, 02:48 PM

Your offensive line got owned.

You cant lay the blame on the defense. You cant blame the QB.

The QB isn't going to do well when the O line is getting whipped at the LOS. You're defense did well until the second half when thier backs finally broke.

Take it from a Chiefs fan. When the O line is struggling it effects the whole team.

The reality is, Orton has been the beneficiary of an excellent O line. He is very average and unspectacular. That is how he played without the benefit of protection he has enjoyed up to this point.

Football 101. If you're O line is great, you will have a great offense. It dont matter who the QB is. If you have a lousy O line, you will have a lousy offense. There is no such thing as a system QB. Same with the defense. If you have a good line, you will play good defense.

The good news is, your line probably didn't just forget how to play. They likely had a bad game. Orton will probably look better next week.

The bad news is, you likely wont enjoy the amount of luck you have been receiving. So you aren't as good as you've looked any more than you are as bad as you looked yesterday. You'll win some more games. You might even make the playoffs.

Finally, let me take this opportunity to tell you that your team lost yesterday while the Chiefs didn't. It may be my last chance

Killericon · 11-02-2009, 02:56 PM

The sanest thread on the first page is from a Chiefs fan.

Blarg.

sirhcyennek81 · 11-02-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Killericon

The sanest thread on the first page is from a chiefs fan.

Blarg.

Sickening.

Double blarg.

rbackfactory80 · 11-02-2009, 02:59 PM

I agree with this post for the most part but I still think that return after the half killed us and completely shifted momentum. We played a desperate team on the road in a must win and without even moving the ball and it was a touchdown game in the fourth. That shows me the D is alright.

Rulon Velvet Jones · 11-02-2009, 03:04 PM

The highest rated QB in the league plays behind one of the worst O-lines, though. How is that possible?

KS Bronco · 11-02-2009, 03:05 PM

agree with the oline playing horribly...
with that said, i think we got out coached as well. we need to adapt if our line cant block. more hot routes, screens and spread offense to get the ball out of orton's hands. we do that, and they have to respect us and not blitz as often.
we flat out got out coached by a good team. time to learn from it and prepare for the steelers!

HEAV · 11-02-2009, 03:08 PM

The O-line play was bad, the scheme wasn't the best, Orton didn't play well and the running game was null & void.

On defense Jack Williams got owned by Kelly (frick'n) Washington on 3rd downs.

P.S. Stay healthy Craz

Eldorado · 11-02-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

You're offensive line got owned.

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyup!

crazyhorse · 11-02-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

I agree with this post for the most part but I still think that return after the half killed us and completely shifted momentum. We played a desperate team on the road in a must win and without even moving the ball and it was a touchdown game in the fourth. That shows me the D is alright.

No doubt a KR can be devastating. But you must 1st have the momentum before it can shift. The Broncos never had the momentum. They were out played the whole game. The Ravens never let the Broncos establish anything resembling momentum, IMO.

PRBronco · 11-02-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

You're offensive line got owned.

You cant lay the blame on the defense. You cant blame the QB.

The QB isn't going to do well when the O line is getting whipped at the LOS. You're defense did well until the second half when thier backs finally broke.

Take it from a Chiefs fan. When the O line is struggling it effects the whole team.

The reality is, Orton has been the beneficiary of an excellent O line. He is very average and unspectacular. That is how he played without the benefit of protection he has enjoyed up to this point.

Football 101. If you're O line is great, you will have a great offense. It dont matter who the QB is. If you have a lousy O line, you will have a lousy offense. There is no such thing as a system QB. Same with the defense. If you have a good line, you will play good defense.

The good news is, your line probably didn't just forget how to play. They likely had a bad game. Orton will probably look better next week.

The bad news is, you likely wont enjoy the amount of luck you have been receiving. So you aren't as good as you've looked any more than you are as bad as you looked yesterday. You'll win some more games. You might even make the playoffs.

Finally, let me take this opportunity to tell you that your team lost yesterday while the Chiefs didn't. It may be my last chance

YOUR offensive line got owned. One must always check for typos when discussing ownage, or you risk having ownage reversed on you!

But yeah, they did. It was very surprising, I considered it the team's greatest strength. Hamilton's back has to be hurting him still, I wonder if we'll see Hochstein replace him soon.

crazyhorse · 11-02-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PRBronco

YOUR offensive line got owned. One must always check for typos when discussing ownage, or you risk having ownage reversed on you!

But yeah, they did. It was very surprising, I considered it the team's greatest strength. Hamilton's back has to be hurting him still, I wonder if we'll see Hochstein replace him soon.

You have to know how to spell before you check your spelling. But yeah, I didn't catch that.

I was urprized too.

If I would have guessed what part of the team would fail, I would 1st guess the D.

crazyhorse · 11-02-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by McRulon McVelvet McJones

The highest rated QB in the league plays behind one of the worst O-lines, though. How is that possible?

Who?

Rulon Velvet Jones · 11-02-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Who?

Aaron Rodgers.

crazyhorse · 11-02-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by McRulon McVelvet McJones

Aaron Rodgers.

Rating can mean smart QB, but not mean great offense. the Packers dont have a great offense.

I like him though

He's a good QB IMO.

Rigs11 · 11-02-2009, 03:46 PM

The chef fan gets it.Already at work these so called fans are screaming about how much better baby Jay is. After one freaking loss.

Popps · 11-02-2009, 03:51 PM

I was pretty proud of how our defense hung in there, considering.

Agree on the O-line. They were pushed around. Either that, or Baltimore just game-planned us flawlessly. I swear to god, they were in our backfield before Orton could take the snap.

There's a reason that team seems to hang around come playoff-time every year. Dominant lines are the formula, folks. No surprises there.

We're in the midst of a philosophy shift, and this is going to take time. We're going to be bigger and more physical on the lines, but that doesn't happen overnight.

Thus far, the O-line has played well. They faced a talented, angry defense and had an off day.

crazyhorse · 11-02-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

The chef fan gets it.Already at work these so called fans are screaming about how much better baby Jay is. After one freaking loss.

Jay isn't all that. I wouldn't want him on my team. He chokes too much. He has great plays but not great games. He still hasn't hit .500 in his carreer.

bronco610 · 11-02-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

No doubt a KR can be devastating. But you must 1st have the momentum before it can shift. The Broncos never had the momentum. They were out played the whole game. The Ravens never let the Broncos establish anything resembling momentum, IMO.

Exactly !!!! However, it was one game and every team has a bad game and I never believed they would go un-defeated.

Good to see you post Crazy.

Rigs11 · 11-02-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Jay isn't all that. I wouldn't want him on my team. He chokes too much. He has great plays but not great games. He still hasn't hit .500 in his carreer.

dude how dare you! He is teh greatest evah!

Swedish Extrovert · 11-02-2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Your offensive line got owned.

You cant lay the blame on the defense. You cant blame the QB.

The QB isn't going to do well when the O line is getting whipped at the LOS. You're defense did well until the second half when thier backs finally broke.

Take it from a Chiefs fan. When the O line is struggling it effects the whole team.

The reality is, Orton has been the beneficiary of an excellent O line. He is very average and unspectacular. That is how he played without the benefit of protection he has enjoyed up to this point.

Football 101. If you're O line is great, you will have a great offense. It dont matter who the QB is. If you have a lousy O line, you will have a lousy offense. There is no such thing as a system QB. Same with the defense. If you have a good line, you will play good defense.

The good news is, your line probably didn't just forget how to play. They likely had a bad game. Orton will probably look better next week.

The bad news is, you likely wont enjoy the amount of luck you have been receiving. So you aren't as good as you've looked any more than you are as bad as you looked yesterday. You'll win some more games. You might even make the playoffs.

Finally, let me take this opportunity to tell you that your team lost yesterday while the Chiefs didn't. It may be my last chance

Actually a fairly strong post... true, if not obvious. Some popel on here don't get that (blame Orton, Defense, etc.)

Popps · 11-02-2009, 04:37 PM

I can make this even simpler...

Maybe we're better than the Chargers, but simply just not as good as the Ravens at this stage?

Crazy, I know... but maybe that's reality.

Patience, folks.

Bronco Warrior · 11-02-2009, 04:57 PM

We swarmed Flacco every other passing play and he still made plays..why is that?

maher_tyler · 11-02-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

I was pretty proud of how our defense hung in there, considering.

Agree on the O-line. They were pushed around. Either that, or Baltimore just game-planned us flawlessly. I swear to god, they were in our backfield before Orton could take the snap.

There's a reason that team seems to hang around come playoff-time every year. Dominant lines are the formula, folks. No surprises there.

We're in the midst of a philosophy shift, and this is going to take time. We're going to be bigger and more physical on the lines, but that doesn't happen overnight.

Thus far, the O-line has played well. They faced a talented, angry defense and had an off day.

Yea we punted like 8-9 times..roughly 3 of those punts were 3 and outs. The D can't play that good forever...especially to a team with its back against the wall on the road in an early game on the east coast!

...and Ben Hamilton specifically was man handled...after a bit i thought we were going to put in hochstien or olsen. Thats the worst i've seen the o line play since the 07 season before we had Clady..this before Harris went down mind you!

rbackfactory80 · 11-02-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

No doubt a KR can be devastating. But you must 1st have the momentum before it can shift. The Broncos never had the momentum. They were out played the whole game. The Ravens never let the Broncos establish anything resembling momentum, IMO.

No we didn't have momemtum, but we never had momemtum in any of the last big three games we won until late. I hate to use ifs, but if we don't give up the return and then score we actually lead 7-6 in the third, and maybe grab some steam. As bad as it was we had a shot for most of the game.

Popps · 11-02-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Warrior

We swarmed Flacco every other passing play and he still made plays..why is that?

Because he's better than Orton at eluding the rush?

Maybe he's better than Orton all together?

Peyton Manning is better than Orton, too. Just in case that was your next question.

Some QBs are better than others. Doesn't mean Orton isn't talented enough to be a part of a SB winner.

11-02-2009, 02:48 PM	#1
crazyhorse All Motor!! You can only hope to contain me Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,338	It's pretty simple really Your offensive line got owned. You cant lay the blame on the defense. You cant blame the QB. The QB isn't going to do well when the O line is getting whipped at the LOS. You're defense did well until the second half when thier backs finally broke. Take it from a Chiefs fan. When the O line is struggling it effects the whole team. The reality is, Orton has been the beneficiary of an excellent O line. He is very average and unspectacular. That is how he played without the benefit of protection he has enjoyed up to this point. Football 101. If you're O line is great, you will have a great offense. It dont matter who the QB is. If you have a lousy O line, you will have a lousy offense. There is no such thing as a system QB. Same with the defense. If you have a good line, you will play good defense. The good news is, your line probably didn't just forget how to play. They likely had a bad game. Orton will probably look better next week. The bad news is, you likely wont enjoy the amount of luck you have been receiving. So you aren't as good as you've looked any more than you are as bad as you looked yesterday. You'll win some more games. You might even make the playoffs. Finally, let me take this opportunity to tell you that your team lost yesterday while the Chiefs didn't. It may be my last chance Last edited by crazyhorse; 11-02-2009 at 03:34 PM..

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Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	The sanest thread on the first page is from a Chiefs fan. Blarg. Last edited by Killericon; 11-02-2009 at 03:05 PM..

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11-02-2009, 02:59 PM	#4
rbackfactory80 Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,617	I agree with this post for the most part but I still think that return after the half killed us and completely shifted momentum. We played a desperate team on the road in a must win and without even moving the ball and it was a touchdown game in the fourth. That shows me the D is alright.

11-02-2009, 03:04 PM	#5
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	The highest rated QB in the league plays behind one of the worst O-lines, though. How is that possible?

11-02-2009, 03:05 PM	#6
KS Bronco Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 256 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steven Johnson	agree with the oline playing horribly... with that said, i think we got out coached as well. we need to adapt if our line cant block. more hot routes, screens and spread offense to get the ball out of orton's hands. we do that, and they have to respect us and not blitz as often. we flat out got out coached by a good team. time to learn from it and prepare for the steelers!

11-02-2009, 03:08 PM	#7
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	The O-line play was bad, the scheme wasn't the best, Orton didn't play well and the running game was null & void. On defense Jack Williams got owned by Kelly (frick'n) Washington on 3rd downs. P.S. Stay healthy Craz

11-02-2009, 03:46 PM	#15
Rigs11 Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,829	The chef fan gets it.Already at work these so called fans are screaming about how much better baby Jay is. After one freaking loss.

11-02-2009, 03:51 PM	#16
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	I was pretty proud of how our defense hung in there, considering. Agree on the O-line. They were pushed around. Either that, or Baltimore just game-planned us flawlessly. I swear to god, they were in our backfield before Orton could take the snap. There's a reason that team seems to hang around come playoff-time every year. Dominant lines are the formula, folks. No surprises there. We're in the midst of a philosophy shift, and this is going to take time. We're going to be bigger and more physical on the lines, but that doesn't happen overnight. Thus far, the O-line has played well. They faced a talented, angry defense and had an off day.

11-02-2009, 04:37 PM	#21
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	I can make this even simpler... Maybe we're better than the Chargers, but simply just not as good as the Ravens at this stage? Crazy, I know... but maybe that's reality. Patience, folks.

11-02-2009, 04:57 PM	#22
Bronco Warrior Opinionated Jerk Ranting Maniac! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 1,281 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	We swarmed Flacco every other passing play and he still made plays..why is that?