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Old 10-27-2009, 02:11 AM   #1
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:18 AM   #2
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Yeah... Dumervil happens to peak on his contract year and we still have to pay Marshall, Kuper, Orton, and Scheffler. All five of these people are currently being paid close to rookie deals (Marshall is getting by far the most $ at a mere 2.2 mill).

We might only be able to keep 3 of these people. Sucks balls.
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:03 AM   #3
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Yeah... Dumervil happens to peak on his contract year and we still have to pay Marshall, Kuper, Orton, and Scheffler. All five of these people are currently being paid close to rookie deals (Marshall is getting by far the most $ at a mere 2.2 mill).

We might only be able to keep 3 of these people. Sucks balls.
Kuper and Scheffler aren't going to be market setting deals. Doom, Marshall, and Orton are all probably looking at good money, but Ware is a poor comp for Doom. James Harrison is a better comp and he won DPOY last year. Ware has been a beast for nearly half a decade now and is unquestionably the most consistently productive rush OLB in the league. He's not the benchmark for anyone else.
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Kuper and Scheffler aren't going to be market setting deals. Doom, Marshall, and Orton are all probably looking at good money, but Ware is a poor comp for Doom. James Harrison is a better comp and he won DPOY last year. Ware has been a beast for nearly half a decade now and is unquestionably the most consistently productive rush OLB in the league. He's not the benchmark for anyone else.
If it wasn't for an injury Harrison would not have been a starter. He may not have made the team & you think he's a better comp. to elvis. He had a combined 12.5 sacks combined from 2002-2007.

Dumervils #s are equivelent if not better than those of demarcus ware through their 1st 4 yrs. Ware has 53 sacks, dumervil will end somewhere in the 44-50 range by the end of his 4th season. Hell, Dumervil had to do it out of the 4-3.

Wares' contract set the bar for OLB throughout the NFL, Dumervil will be asking for at least that amt. He'll get it with us or someoneelse.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:14 AM   #5
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If Dumervil wants that much then the Broncos might have to let him walk. I would try and sign Dumervil for 6 year 42 million with 20 million signing bonus. I also might trade Marshall for 2 rounder and 4 rounder then go try and sign Vicent Jackson for about 6 million a year. Kuper sould cost about 4 million and franchise Scheffer for about 4 million. Orton should be signed for 3 year 18 million with 10 million signing bonus.
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:35 AM   #6
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If it wasn't for an injury Harrison would not have been a starter. He may not have made the team & you think he's a better comp. to elvis. He had a combined 12.5 sacks combined from 2002-2007.

Dumervils #s are equivelent if not better than those of demarcus ware through their 1st 4 yrs. Ware has 53 sacks, dumervil will end somewhere in the 44-50 range by the end of his 4th season. Hell, Dumervil had to do it out of the 4-3.

Wares' contract set the bar for OLB throughout the NFL, Dumervil will be asking for at least that amt. He'll get it with us or someoneelse.
No one in the entire world could possibly think that Dumervil should get paid more than Demarcus Ware.

If anything this sets a high water mark that Doom can't exceed. Dumervil was looking at a modest deal before this season and moving to a 3-4, he'll likely be an RFA next year unless some miracle happens with the CBA, and his best comp for signing a new deal off a single breakout season is James Harrison.

Doom is playing some great football right now, but if his agent asks for Suggs or Ware money then the Broncos should let him test the market. There isn't a team in the league that will pay him that kind of money.
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We've been over this a thousand times, if not more.

Not one of these guys, not one, is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season unless something crazy happens in the next month with the CBA negotiations......which is only slightly more likely than me hitting Powerball in the near future.

All of these guys are property of the Broncos for the 2010 season, unless the Broncos let them go for a king's ransom (at least a first and a third rounder with the high tender, which costs pennies).
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Old 10-27-2009, 07:25 AM   #8
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We've been over this a thousand times, if not more.

Not one of these guys, not one, is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season unless something crazy happens in the next month with the CBA negotiations......which is only slightly more likely than me hitting Powerball in the near future.

All of these guys are property of the Broncos for the 2010 season, unless the Broncos let them go for a king's ransom (at least a first and a third rounder with the high tender, which costs pennies).
Exactly.

What I'm expecting is the following:

RFA tenders on Doom, Marshall, Orton, Kuper, and Scheffler.

Then new deals for Doom, Marshall, and Orton all in the same basic area of 6 years, $50-$55M with $20-$25M guaranteed. Not only do we hold the RFA tag leverage on them, thats respectable market value compared to what Harrison, Roddy White, and Matt Cassel (when you take out the difference between an RFA tag and the $14.7M he was guaranteed already) got on their new deals. The fact that you can offer our three young star players all basically the exact same deal also puts some peer pressure on them. No one wants to be the guy who says "I deserve more than this other star player".

Kuper and Scheffler are offered reasonable money deals, probably 4 or 5 year extensions worth around $4-$5M AAV. If they don't want to take them then play a year on the RFA tag and test the market after that.
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Exactly.

What I'm expecting is the following:

RFA tenders on Doom, Marshall, Orton, Kuper, and Scheffler.

Then new deals for Doom, Marshall, and Orton all in the same basic area of 6 years, $50-$55M with $20-$25M guaranteed. Not only do we hold the RFA tag leverage on them, thats respectable market value compared to what Harrison, Roddy White, and Matt Cassel (when you take out the difference between an RFA tag and the $14.7M he was guaranteed already) got on their new deals. The fact that you can offer our three young star players all basically the exact same deal also puts some peer pressure on them. No one wants to be the guy who says "I deserve more than this other star player".

Kuper and Scheffler are offered reasonable money deals, probably 4 or 5 year extensions worth around $4-$5M AAV. If they don't want to take them then play a year on the RFA tag and test the market after that.
No one wants to be the guy that brings down the market value for a given position either.
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No one in the entire world could possibly think that Dumervil should get paid more than Demarcus Ware.
If anything this sets a high water mark that Doom can't exceed. Dumervil was looking at a modest deal before this season and moving to a 3-4, he'll likely be an RFA next year unless some miracle happens with the CBA, and his best comp for signing a new deal off a single breakout season is James Harrison.

Doom is playing some great football right now, but if his agent asks for Suggs or Ware money then the Broncos should let him test the market. There isn't a team in the league that will pay him that kind of money.
No one!? Are you serious. Maybe he won't exceed it but he'll definetly match it. Either way a good hold out will usually outweight any leverage gained by RFA tag.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:31 AM   #11
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Doom is arguably better than Ware. He is having a better year his first year at the possition. Just saying that is probably his or his agents message they will send to the Broncos. **** Jerry Jones that stupid cock****er.
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I don't see Scheffler getting big money. He's talented but receiving TEs like him are becoming more common with the number of college team using the spread O. I certainly would not slap a franchise tag on him as was suggested above.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:52 AM   #13
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At Dum's current pace, he's definitely set to be making that kind of money.

However, the Cowboy's, much like the Redskins, actually seem to love paying people huge contracts. I look for Elvis to be reasonable and take 10-20% less than that and stay here.
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This may be heresy around here (especially right now) but I'd like to see Elvis be consistent for an entire season and show up in every game before presuming he deserves a huge contract. He's in line for a very significant raise but I want to see more consistency over a season first.
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:43 PM   #15
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I don't see Scheffler getting big money. He's talented but receiving TEs like him are becoming more common with the number of college team using the spread O. I certainly would not slap a franchise tag on him as was suggested above.
The Franchise tag for a tight end is only 4 million . Gates only makes 3 million. This way the Broncos save money on paying signing bonus .
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The Franchise tag for a tight end is only 4 million . Gates only makes 3 million. This way the Broncos save money on paying signing bonus .
Yeah, but Scheffler is not worth 4 million a year. He a decent TE. He's no All pro, and certainly not worthy of a franchise tag.
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This may be heresy around here (especially right now) but I'd like to see Elvis be consistent for an entire season and show up in every game before presuming he deserves a huge contract. He's in line for a very significant raise but I want to see more consistency over a season first.
Thank you.

Doom will not be getting Ware type money. He will get paid, but not like a QB.
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Yeah, but Scheffler is not worth 4 million a year. He a decent TE. He's no All pro, and certainly not worthy of a franchise tag.
You're taking whta Scheffler brings to the team for granted. There's not anyone else on the team we can split out wide and get either a safety or LB covering him. That's a 100% advantage to Scheffler and Orton.

Tony is more than worth a pidly $4 million tag for 1 season. That's peanuts, and Bowlen is more concerned about up front money (aka signing bonuses) then a yearly salary.

And it gives both sides more time to work out a long term deal. It's a win win situation in my mind.
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You're taking whta Scheffler brings to the team for granted. There's not anyone else on the team we can split out wide and get either a safety or LB covering him. That's a 100% advantage to Scheffler and Orton.

Tony is more than worth a pidly $4 million tag for 1 season. That's peanuts, and Bowlen is more concerned about up front money (aka signing bonuses) then a yearly salary.

And it gives both sides more time to work out a long term deal. It's a win win situation in my mind.
All I'm saying is of all the guys to be re-signed, I think he's the least likely and that there are guys coming out of college that could fill his shoes pretty easily. Not a diss on Schef, but he's low man on the class of 2006 totem pole IMO.
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Sure he's low man. But it's still peanuts to sign the guy really. No reason to take a flier on a rook that may or may not work out, when you have a guy that already knows what's going on.

I would think after franchising (if it came to that) if they can't work out a long term deal, you let him walk and move on.

But Scheff brings enough talent to the table that in my mind it's worth giving a best effort to sign him.
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Thank you.

Doom will not be getting Ware type money. He will get paid, but not like a QB.
Ya.. he really worries me. He's having the type of season that leads to a big contract... but I'm still convinced that he's really the answer. He still has trouble detaching from blockers, and gets eaten up if he doesn't get the corner.

Don't get me wrong. I love what Doom is doing, but he's not really a physical player. I have to feel like that might eventually catch up with him.
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Lets just pay them and front load it all into the uncapped year. They may even take a discount if we give it to them upfront.
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He's going to get a big payday regardless,they franchise him he gets top 5 money, he goes to another team he gets #1 money.From cleveland,green bay & others that have switched to a 3-4 defense.
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At Dum's current pace, he's definitely set to be making that kind of money.

However, the Cowboy's, much like the Redskins, actually seem to love paying people huge contracts. I look for Elvis to be reasonable and take 10-20% less than that and stay here.
Considering we're the team that took a chance when know one else would!
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