Excuses wearing thin for Obama, media pals

[Bronx33]

Well obamas home base is getting edgy...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley...HUNT20.article

Have you heard the news? President Obama inherited an economic mess from the Bush administration.

You say that's hardly news? But it's been the message sounded over and over by the White House. Top Obama adviser David Axelrod said on one of the Sunday news shows, "He walked in the door, we had the worst economy since the Great Depression." In San Francisco, Obama talked of being "busy with our mop." White House heavy hitter Rahm Emanuel used the worst-economy-since-the-Depression line on a public TV news show.



Excuses wearing thin for Obama, media pals

You'd think it's October 2008, the final month in the Obama presidential candidacy, rather than October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency. Yet the Obama White House is in full campaign mode -- maybe because it needs to mask the shortcomings of the Obama presidency.

Take, for example, all the talk of inheriting the worst economy since the 1930s crisis. That came in response to the news that the federal deficit hit $1.4 trillion.

Yet just a few months ago, the Obama camp was singing a little different tune. It was under criticism for the $787 billion stimulus package it bulldozed through Congress on grounds that massive spending was needed to keep the unemployment rate from breaching 8 percent. When joblessness hit 9.5 percent in June, Vice President Joe Biden said, "We misread how bad the economy was."

They inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, or the economy turned out to be worse than they thought. Which is it? It can't be both -- unless your brain is completely addled by the Obama charisma.

Obama is still popular, but polls show the public losing faith in his policies. Another indicator was a ''Saturday Night Live'' skit lampooning Obama for the major accomplishments of his administration -- "jack and squat." If the honeymoon is ending with the American voter, it isn't for obsequious elements of the mainstream media. CNN prostrated itself by fact-checking the ''SNL'' comedy skit.

But that's harmless compared to the virulent campaign against Obama critics carried out by the denizens of MSNBC. Its Obama acolytes seek to demonize opponents of Obama's policies by focusing on most marginal corners of right-wing politics like, for example, the "birthers" who deny Obama is a natural born citizen. The larger scheme is to imply Obama critics are racists.

That's the backdrop to the story of Rush Limbaugh getting booted from a group bidding to buy the St. Louis Rams. He was smeared on CNN and MSNBC with false accusations of making two racist comments. He is an abrasive critic of Obama, so he must be racist, or so goes the left-wing story line. I wouldn't defend everything Limbaugh has ever said, but lies were used to blacklist him from professional football for his political views.

Recently an MSNBC personality accused the U.S. Chamber of Commerce of lobbying for policies that amount to being "treasonous to this country." Remember how liberals roared in outrage at any hint of their patriotism being questioned for criticizing the Iraq War? Well, it's the left that doesn't shy from attacking the patriotism of those it dislikes. Recall the repulsive Moveon.org "General Betray-us" ad against Iraq commander Gen. David Petraeus. Recent opposition to Chicago's Olympic bid was cast as a sign of a lack of patriotism among Obama critics.

The MSNBC blast against the chamber appears to dovetail with what the Politico newspaper reports is a White House and Democratic effort "to marginalize" the business organization. That echoes the administration assault on the Fox News Channel: It says Fox isn't a news organization.

The White House trying to dictate who's a news organization. Democrats out to gut a business group. Obama media allies damning Americans as racist, unpatriotic and treasonous. Is this the America Obama promised when he campaigned to end the cynical and divisive politics of the past?

[Garcia Bronco]

The president is not responsible for the economy.

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The president is not responsible for the economy.

And Republicans are not guility of obstructionism......yeah I hear ya! Prez. Obama in office 9 months, and conservatives think he should have fixed the economy already. Despite the fact conservatives voted for the Criminals in the WH and the GOP Congress that almost took the country in to another great depression.

Don't worry Gar......Obama will get 8 years to correct the mess created by GW Bush during his 8 years.

Whats wrong......all you conservatives ain't got no patients!

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by rastaman

And Republicans are not guility of obstructionism......yeah I hear ya! Prez. Obama in office 9 months, and conservatives think he should have fixed the economy already. Despite the fact conservatives voted for the Criminals in the WH and the GOP Congress that almost took the country in to another great depression.

Don't worry Gar......Obama will get 8 years to correct the mess created by GW Bush during his 8 years.

Whats wrong......all you conservatives ain't got no patients!

Actully most of the economies of the world have recovered. Our problem is we have a congress full of dumbasses that spend more than they make. And even bigger **** for brains...like yourself...supporting them. Hopefully one day you'll take that democrat cock out of your mouth before the semen bleeds from your ears. But I doubt it. That's the problem with dumb kids like yourself....you don't know when to quit.

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by rastaman

And Republicans are not guility of obstructionism......yeah I hear ya! Prez. Obama in office 9 months, and conservatives think he should have fixed the economy already. Despite the fact conservatives voted for the Criminals in the WH and the GOP Congress that almost took the country in to another great depression.

Don't worry Gar......Obama will get 8 years to correct the mess created by GW Bush during his 8 years.

Whats wrong......all you conservatives ain't got no patients!

Is this a healtcare discussion?

The US economy will fix itself as it normally does. Great buying opportunities exist right now. Stimulus will have a minimum effect other than adding quite a bit to the debt.

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The president is not responsible for the economy.

He is responsible to fix it. And, presently he is not doing that. At every turn, he makes it worse in the long run. Save your pennies boys and girls, it will get worse before it's gets better...dman

IT'S TIME TO RAISE RATES BEN. THAT OR SOON ENOUGH THE DOLLAR COLLAPSES and INFLATION REIGNS SUPREME. Short term interest has got to go up to the 2% range before another "bubble" bites us right in the rear.....

[TexanBob]

Ah, yes, the old "obstructionist" lie. You libs can't handle simple math. You have all the votes you need in the House and the Senate to pass whatever you want. You just have to get all the people ON YOUR SIDE to go along with it. The Republicans are entirely impotent to stop anything the Democrats want to do if the Democrats hold together. That's the FACT. Republicans can't stop anything and this constant lie that they are blocking or obstructing the Democrats is demonstrably false. The Democrats repeat this lie and their propaganda news media repeats the lie even though the FACT is entirely out in the open for anyone with a scintilla of intelligence to see.

Republicans can stop nothing. REPEAT. Republicans can stop nothing. They don't have the numbers, even if they wanted to stop it. Maybe in 2011, that will change but not now. Democrats continue to insult my intelligence by claiming otherwise.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Actully most of the economies of the world have recovered.

Which economies and what state were they in? BTW, countries with the most regulation and interventionist approach have done the best. If you are going to criticize the approach taken, give some evidence of a better approach under similar circumstances.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Ah, yes, the old "obstructionist" lie. You libs can't handle simple math. You have all the votes you need in the House and the Senate to pass whatever you want.

On the surface what you say is true, but ignores certain political realities in American politics. Rather than understanding the congress from a party perspective, analyze it from an ideological perspective. There is a reason why the democratic "tent" has never been as cohesive as the republican, and it has to do with ideologies. Democrats of the south have more in common with republicans of the NE than most other democrats. Look up "Blue Dogs", and see how many they total. If you count people based on ideology, it is not as simple as you may think it is.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Ah, yes, the old "obstructionist" lie. You libs can't handle simple math. You have all the votes you need in the House and the Senate to pass whatever you want. You just have to get all the people ON YOUR SIDE to go along with it. The Republicans are entirely impotent to stop anything the Democrats want to do if the Democrats hold together. That's the FACT. Republicans can't stop anything and this constant lie that they are blocking or obstructing the Democrats is demonstrably false. The Democrats repeat this lie and their propaganda news media repeats the lie even though the FACT is entirely out in the open for anyone with a scintilla of intelligence to see.

Republicans can stop nothing. REPEAT. Republicans can stop nothing. They don't have the numbers, even if they wanted to stop it. Maybe in 2011, that will change but not now. Democrats continue to insult my intelligence by claiming otherwise.

There are 58 Democrats in the Senate, including some that are DINOs.

Good news though, Health Care is going to pass even with the Thugs trying toss out every obstacle they can - they are failing.

Then the next hot button issue, just in time for 2010 season, put forth by O will be financial restrictions, where you'll either get to choose to side with the common folk or with the big financials. Good luck with that.

[Bronx33]

people doing the math and raising questions about this HCR being crammed through in record time are concidered thugs? half the people in the country are thugs? now thats funny.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

people doing the math and raising questions about this HCR being crammed through in record time are concidered thugs? half the people in the country are thugs? now thats funny.

Record time?

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by defenseman

He is responsible to fix it. And, presently he is not doing that. At every turn, he makes it worse in the long run. Save your pennies boys and girls, it will get worse before it's gets better...dman

IT'S TIME TO RAISE RATES BEN. THAT OR SOON ENOUGH THE DOLLAR COLLAPSES and INFLATION REIGNS SUPREME. Short term interest has got to go up to the 2% range before another "bubble" bites us right in the rear.....

No it's not. Now the PResident of the past and present have tried to do this, but they have no more control over it than anyone. It's too big to move, and it';; move when it does. One might as well try to predict causal tree of truth.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Merlin

Which economies and what state were they in? BTW, countries with the most regulation and interventionist approach have done the best. If you are going to criticize the approach taken, give some evidence of a better approach under similar circumstances.

Take a look at Aussies and Japan both had dismal 2009 forecasts. And China is still growing. You cannot spend your way out of debt. It's possible, but not probable provide one makes wise investments. The more the better that have ROI. If industries fail..new ones will rise in their place. By bailing out failed banks and the auto industry we have assured the status quo for several more years. This country and it's leadership is a joke and they can't find their ass with either hand.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Take a look at Aussies and Japan both had dismal 2009 forecasts. And China is still growing. You cannot spend your way out of debt. It's possible, but not probable provide one makes wise investments. The more the better that have ROI. If industries fail..new ones will rise in their place. By bailing out failed banks and the auto industry we have assured the status quo for several more years. This country and it's leadership is a joke and they can't find their ass with either hand.

I'm not sure listing a communist country helps your argument here.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

I'm not sure listing a communist country helps your argument here.

Are they really communist anymore? Either way they are making smart investments in infrastructure.

[c_lazy_r]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

I'm not sure listing a communist country helps your argument here.

It doesn't matter what the political structure is of the country being used as an example. The truth remains that you can't spend your way out of debt. It doesn't matter if you are a democrat, republican, communist or anyone else.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Record time?

attempted cramming....

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Actully most of the economies of the world have recovered. Our problem is we have a congress full of dumbasses that spend more than they make. And even bigger **** for brains...like yourself...supporting them. Hopefully one day you'll take that democrat cock out of your mouth before the semen bleeds from your ears. But I doubt it. That's the problem with dumb kids like yourself....you don't know when to quit.

Hate to disappoint Ya "Dumb Billy".......Actually the economies around the world that have recovered are those that has a "Social Safety Network" for its citizens and historically these same world economies have practiced protectionism over its economic infrastructures and industries vital for their countries security and her citizens well being. Unlike FREE MARKET REPUBLICAN AMERICA!!!

In other words these countries "YOU" speak of have all managed to "Manufacture" their way out of the financial abyss! Why can't America do the same thing! We can't b/c all of our Manufacturing Base has been OUT SOURCED OVERSEAS!!!

The countries who are recovering from the "Republican" Caused Neo Great Depression, haven't outsourced their blue and white collar jobs to 3rd World Countries "Whole Sale" as the United States has done. These countries still manfuacture goods and services and making products for its citizens and for around the globe; and the revenue goes back to the treasury of those respective countries! The countries that are recovering did not believe in the Republican FREE MARKET BS!! Its understood that in the Business Capitalistic Model....nothing is free!

Over the last 30 plus years no thanks in large part to the failed Reagan Trickle down ponzi schemes, America has become a service sector nation and no longer manufactures anything anymore.....thats why the U.S. hasn't seen economic recovery! The wealth has all gone to the wealthiest 1% in the areas of Wall Street, Banks, Corporate 500 companies etc.,

Why can't "Knee Jerk" Knuckle Dragging Republican Voting Conservatives like you and your Ilk realize this

Oh my bad Inbred "Battle-of-The-Banjo" GARCIA....Its All President Obama's FAULT!!!!

Have a nice DAY you IDIOT!

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by c_lazy_r

It doesn't matter what the political structure is of the country being used as an example. The truth remains that you can't spend your way out of debt. It doesn't matter if you are a democrat, republican, communist or anyone else.

You can tax your way out of debt. Hell roll back the Reagan tax cuts/marginal tax rate back to 1980 and take the tax revenue generated to pay down the debt.

[c_lazy_r]

Originally Posted by rastaman

You can tax your way out of debt. Hell roll back the Reagan tax cuts/marginal tax rate back to 1980 and take the tax revenue generated to pay down the debt.

There are many solutions to getting out of debt. Unfortunately, the first step is to stop spending more than you take in. Until that happens, no plan will work.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by c_lazy_r

There are many solutions to getting out of debt. Unfortunately, the first step is to stop spending more than you take in. Until that happens, no plan will work.

Exactly...