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Old 10-21-2009, 02:58 PM   #1
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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11447166
By Woody Paige
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Posted: 01/14/2009 12:30:00 AM MST

It must be downright discouraging and demoralizing for somebody who has served as a defensive coordinator, then head coach, for 14 1/2 seasons — with five different teams — yet reached the playoffs only TWO of those years, won more than 10 games just once, had a losing record in eight seasons (and only four or five victories four times), was fired several times and, in the biggest game all his teams played, saw the defense reduced to ashes (44 points).

Say hello again to Mike Nolan, your new defensive coordinator.

He is Josh McDaniels' first hire.

The Broncos' most critical need was an extraordinary defensive coordinator, and they get an offensive coordinator, who brings in, for the Broncos, another ordinary defensive coordinator. The Broncos selected a baby-faced coach, and he selects a second-hand coach.

It's inexplicable.

Except Nolan does wear a Reebok suit-and-tie on the sidelines. Reebok will not measure up to Armani in men's fashion, and Nolan cannot be confused for Joe Collier in defensive coordinating.

McDaniels and Nolan will be Hoodie and the Blowfish.

The faithful of the Orange are crushed by the McDecision.

Mike Shanahan must be amused, as are Bob Slowik, Jim Bates, Larry Coyer, Ray Rhodes, Greg Robinson and Wade Phillips.

Robinson looks pretty good in comparison. He was the Broncos' defensive coordinator in the 1990s when they won two Super Bowls. Joe Collier looks even better. He was a coach with the Broncos for 20 seasons (and briefly was Bill Belichick's boss), the architect of the 1970s Orange Crush defense and defensive coordinator in the Broncos' first three Super Bowls.

Nolan was given his NFL start as an obscure special-teams assistant with the Broncos in 1987 and later served as linebackers coach until 1992.

He coached under Collier and Phillips, two of the NFL's all-time best defensive coordinators.

The 49-year-old Nolan is not.

As a young aide-de-camp with the Broncos, he coached in eight postseason games (5-3 record), including two Super Bowls and one AFC championship defeat.

Since departing (fired) and being promoted (under his mentor, Dan Reeves), Nolan has coached in three playoff games (1-2), no Super Bowls and one NFC championship (the 44-3 defeat by the Giants in 1993).

With Nolan as the defensive coordinator, the Giants did not return to the playoffs the next three years. He was employed by Washington for three seasons (1997-99), and the team did not make the playoffs.

He was the Jets' coordinator in 2000. They did not make the playoffs. He became wide receivers coach in Baltimore in 2001 and was defensive coordinator in 2002. The Ravens made the playoffs once in his three years and lost their only game. They won the Super Bowl the year before he arrived, mainly because of defense, and are in the AFC championship game this season, primarily because of their defense.

Nolan was named the 49ers' head coach in 2005. He won fewer than half his games, and did not make the playoffs, before being fired after seven games (2-5) this season. In San Francisco Nolan's defenses ranked, in points allowed, Nos. 30, 32, 20 and 23. They permitted 30 points or more 18 times.

Nolan and McDaniels are proponents of the 3-4 (three linemen, four linebackers) base defense, which will be brought back to Denver. Both can trace their obsession with the scheme to Denver.

Bud Wilkinson created the 3-4, known then as the 5-2, with Oklahoma in the 1940s, and another Oklahoma coach, Chuck Fairbanks, took it to the Patriots in 1973. Collier refined the defensive setup and installed it with the Broncos in 1976 because he had a linebacking corps of Randy Gradishar, Tom Jackson, Bob Swenson and Joe Rizzo, a man mountain at nose tackle in Rubin Carter, a pass-rushing demon in Lyle Alzado at one end and solid tackler Barney Chavous on the other end. The next season, with the same cast and strong backups, Collier and coach Red Miller set a goal of holding opponents to 17 points or fewer. They accomplished that unbelievable feat in 14 of 17 games.

Belichick learned the 3-4 during his short stint (as a game film cutter) with the Broncos in 1978. He has enhanced it, and McDaniels learned it as a defensive assistant with the Patriots. Nolan learned the 3-4 when he was a Collier assistant.

The future of McDaniels and Nolan will depend on the 3-4, tried and trashed by the Broncos temporarily last season, but they have to depend more on exceptional unrestricted free agents and a No. 1 pick on defense who can step in immediately. The Broncos, despite a plethora of linebackers, could use one more who can stop the run (Channing Crowder), and they must find a starting safety (oft-injured Mike Brown) or two, another corner (Nnamdi Asomugha) and two defensive linemen (Julius Peppers, Bertrand Berry).

And Mike Nolan has to prove why Broncophiles should not be down- wrong discouraged and demoralized.

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Old 10-21-2009, 03:03 PM   #2
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:05 PM   #3
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Wow. I dont know what McDaniels has but it is called instincts. Maybe A gut feeling. Whatever it is, it is true to form.
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:09 PM   #4
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just a stupid sentence in retrospect woody.
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:17 PM   #5
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talk about a swing and a miss...
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:24 PM   #6
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Old 10-21-2009, 03:44 PM   #7
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Has he yet updated his "Denver's only gonna win 3 games this year" take?
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:28 PM   #8
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Woody's gunna want that article back. Epic fail.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:39 PM   #9
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Woody lost his best friend in Shanahan and now has to work for his stories.
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It's been a bad year for Woody

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Old 10-21-2009, 04:44 PM   #11
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It's been a bad year for Woody
That's as embarassing as articles get. More embarassing would involve fairly extreme states of undress in public and lots of laughter directed at the size of something or the other.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:49 PM   #12
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Well, Woody predicts 16-0 most years. This year, he picked three wins.

I think there's a trend developing here.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:54 PM   #13
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Vonnie Holliday has brought up several times a story about a Denver Reporter telling him when he first came to Denver that the front 7 was complete garbage. I really think it was Woodie Paige.
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:10 PM   #14
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Looks like Woody picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:34 PM   #15
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That's an old column ...
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Looks like Woody picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.


Epic Fail on Woody's part. Good Lord, I feel dummer for just trying to read it. Seriously, where's the editor for the Denver Post?

What a complete crap article.
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:40 PM   #17
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truth be told, not many could/did predict this turn about. just amazing.
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I thought that was obvious...I HOPE it was.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:20 PM   #19
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In all fairness, if his facts are correct (which I'm not going to bother checking), then his concerns are valid. And like Bowlen, McD is incredibly good at gauging coaches and must have recognized that Nolan's prior record could either be explained away, or he had become much better because of them (i.e. he learned from them).
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Nolan is a victim of the The Peter Principle, in that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence". It was obvious he was not capable of executing his duties as a head coach and was fired several times. He's a great assistant coach when he can apply himself to one area. I hope he doesn't take the bait again when other teams come knocking on the door asking him to be a Head Coach. In most case the employee will take the promotion and fail miserably again and again.....
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Nolan's defenses have always been good. He's just one of those guys who's a better coordinator than a head coach.
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If the guy thought Nolan was a bad DC he is stupid beyond belief! Key fact that shoulda given it away, nolan's defenses averaged 32 TO's per year AVERAGE! Only the Ravens last year topped that with 34.... only 2 better than Nolan's AVERAge...lead the league! Woody Shut your VagHole!
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Not to at least one of the responders.
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If the guy thought Nolan was a bad DC he is stupid beyond belief! Key fact that shoulda given it away, nolan's defenses averaged 32 TO's per year AVERAGE! Only the Ravens last year topped that with 34.... only 2 better than Nolan's AVERAge...lead the league! Woody Shut your VagHole!
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I wanted Nolan as the head coach. Pretty happy with the results, but I wonder how long we can keep Nolan around.
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