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Old 10-20-2009, 09:01 AM   #1
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Mine is to stop lining Moreno up seven yards behind the line of scrimmage and taking forever to get the snap off. There's too much penetration before Moreno reaches the line of scrimmage. So...

-- quick snaps

-- line up big (Graham, Marshall, Scheffler, Quinn) but spread out wide. Orton can have option pulling out of run play and zipping it out to Marshall or scheff and letting them abuse LB or run over DB.

-- RB lines up four yards behind LOS

-- A QB sneak ain't the worst fricking thing in the world.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:02 AM   #2
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Don't run it at all. Playaction pass.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:02 AM   #3
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:03 AM   #4
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Maybe Ben Hamilton moves outside or as the motion guy and move Hochstein inside.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:04 AM   #5
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we need another road grader at LG and FWIW weigman is not getting much of a push either.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:12 AM   #6
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Don't run it at all. Playaction pass.
On third and one, call:

I-form PA z-streak

It's a touchdown every time
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:13 AM   #7
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wildhorse flea flicker option...

I've dreamt it up for years as a goal line play. you hand it off to the rb and he runs into the line, if there is a hole take it obviously, if you can't get the first, lateral it back to the qb. If you cross the los, than the qb has to run it...that's why you want a wildcat like player at qb...if you are stopped behind the los, like we are consistently, the wildcat qb can run or pass it.

the d will collapse on the run, so you have a te or fb break out wide if it is lateralled back..




it's so brilliant, I can't stand myself.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:14 AM   #8
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wildhorse flea flicker option...

I've dreamt it up for years as a goal line play. you hand it off to the rb and he runs into the line, if there is a hole take it obviously, if you can't get the first, lateral it back to the qb. If you cross the los, than the qb has to run it...that's why you want a wildcat like player at qb...if you are stopped behind the los, like we are consistently, the wildcat qb can run or pass it.

the d will collapse on the run, so you have a te or fb break out wide if it is lateralled back..




it's so brilliant, I can't stand myself.
Sounds like a standard TE Waggle only takes too long to develop.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:16 AM   #9
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It's very simple...Hillis
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:16 AM   #10
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I would like to try the QB sneak, looked like it always worked with the Pats and Brady, thats why it shocked me McDaniels wasnt running it. I would also like Peyton Hillis back there. If neither of those work, go back to the Air Knowshon jump and cross your fingers.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:22 AM   #11
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Unfortunately I think the problem goes beyond just short yardage. We struggled to run effectively in general last night against a very banged up, below average defense. This is a definite concern in my opinion.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:30 AM   #12
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Unfortunately I think the problem goes beyond just short yardage. We struggled to run effectively in general last night against a very banged up, below average defense. This is a definite concern in my opinion.
Maybe we didn't have long runs but we have been consistent. They were going forward all the time. They even showed a stat that was like 4 of 200 (don't know the real numbers) runs have been negative. As much as I hate the thought of it, it may be time to replace Hamilton now. I think that would fix the short yardage problem. I think our run game in general has been very good all season though. I hope Hillis can start contributing again as he would also help in short yardage. He was doing very well in those situations in preseason.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:37 AM   #13
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I was a huge Hillis guy comming into the season, but the dude just doens't have it together, so why trust him on critical third and short situations until he earns it. Moreno will get better at third downs and what about Jordan?
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:37 AM   #14
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It still feels to me like our short-yardage stuff is too slow to develop. We've either got to use someone like Buck who can get there faster, or develop plays that will give Moreno to get a head of steam.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:38 AM   #15
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Mix in some play action
Run to the edges. Up the middle is not working with the Broncos light linemen in short yardage.
Quick count, QB sneak
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:39 AM   #16
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Maybe we didn't have long runs but we have been consistent. They were going forward all the time. They even showed a stat that was like 4 of 200 (don't know the real numbers) runs have been negative.
I agree overall, but our rushing struggles were frustrating last night. I thought we'd kill them with the run. The game would have been over much sooner if we were more effective rushing.

I know that such comparisons are flawed but here's the rushing totals against SD this season:
Oak 32-148
Bal 32-130
Mia 31-149
Pit 36-177
Den 33-101

That being said, I'm probably overreacting because we're 7th in the league in rush yards per game!

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Old 10-20-2009, 09:45 AM   #17
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I'd like to see more PA pass in the short term. Long term, I want to see us get bigger up front.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:54 AM   #18
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offset I -> fake to Hillis inside -> pitch to Moreno or Buck -> automatic 1st down.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:58 AM   #19
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:58 AM   #20
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I know. the Oline needs to beat the defense and give the back a chance.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:59 AM   #21
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Why is Hillis believed to be some kind of savior around here when he's barely played and when he has he's messed up?
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I'd cut Hillis today.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:08 AM   #23
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Why is Hillis believed to be some kind of savior around here when he's barely played and when he has he's messed up?
People remember last year that he was a solid runner that would hit the hole, and break through tackles. We know what he can do. Now that he's made a few stupid, but fixable mistakes this year, McD has lost faith in him..
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:12 AM   #24
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Maybe Ben Hamilton moves outside or as the motion guy and move Hochstein inside.
Agreed on Weigmann, sadly.

If we can't get a draft pick for Ben next year, I hope we move him to center, maybe go with Olsen at LG.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:15 AM   #25
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keep moving your feet, tailback AND fullback, they never do it
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