10-20-09 - Orton or Simms - The Orange Mane

Irish Stout · 10-20-2009, 08:28 AM

I'm afraid this thread will have a negative vibe to it, which I don't want. I just want to understand this.

It seemed to me that before the season began people were calling for Orton's head and wishing that Simms would take his place. I always thought that was a bad idea, because I thought Orton was/is a much stronger QB than Simms. What was the reasoning behind this?

Now that we're here at 6-0 the Orton-haters have dropped off quite a bit, even from when we were 4-0 and they were arguing that Orton couldn't win us a game from behind.

Whats the current feeling on Orton and do people still want Simms to be our starter?

crush17 · 10-20-2009, 08:42 AM

BRANDSTATER!!

hahaha j/k

Tombstone RJ · 10-20-2009, 08:48 AM

Simms is a complete unknown. Those who wanted Simms to start over Orton basically said this because of Orton's lousy pre-season. I was one of the posters who said that I'd have no problem bringing Simms in IF Orton struggled.

Face it, Simms is still a complete unknown. For all we know, Simms IS the best QB on the team. But as long as Orton is winning and the team chemistry is good, then there's no way we will ever know.

Give props to Orton. He's getting better as the season progresses and he is a good leader on this offense.

As for Simms, he is gonna have to wait. Only an injury to Orton will allow him to step on the field. Even if Simms plays well in Orton's obsence there's no reason to believe that McD will pull a Tom Brady and keep Simms in when Orton comes back...

Karenin · 10-20-2009, 08:53 AM

Simms is not an unknown. He sucked in college and he's sucked in the pros. It would be nice if everybody (cough cough cum-guzzler broncobuff) could stop pretending that he's some sort of unknown quantity who could be an immense talent if just given the chance. He's a fine backup, probably about as good as Patrick Ramsey or David Carr, and that's it.

Peoples Champ · 10-20-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Irish McStout

I'm afraid this thread will have a negative vibe to it, which I don't want. I just want to understand this.

It seemed to me that before the season began people were calling for Orton's head and wishing that Simms would take his place. I always thought that was a bad idea, because I thought Orton was/is a much stronger QB than Simms. What was the reasoning behind this?

Now that we're here at 6-0 the Orton-haters have dropped off quite a bit, even from when we were 4-0 and they were arguing that Orton couldn't win us a game from behind.

Whats the current feeling on Orton and do people still want Simms to be our starter?

If it aint broke, dont fix it.

BroncoBuff · 10-20-2009, 08:56 AM

If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

Tombstone RJ · 10-20-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Karenin

Simms is not an unknown. He sucked in college and he's sucked in the pros. It would be nice if everybody (cough cough cum-guzzler broncobuff) could stop pretending that he's some sort of unknown quantity who could be an immense talent if just given the chance. He's a fine backup, probably about as good as Patrick Ramsey or David Carr, and that's it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McD bring in Simms and pay him a good chunck of change?

Um, yah. I think I'll trust McD's judgement over yours. Thanks for playing.

Karenin · 10-20-2009, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McD bring in Simms and pay him a good chunck of change?

Um, yah. I think I'll trust McD's judgement over yours. Thanks for playing.

Quote:

Broncos: Simms Officially Signed To Backup Cutler

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.br....2.951605.html

Umm yea, he was signed to backup Cutler, and was paid 6 million for two years, hardly a "good chunk of change" and pretty standard for a backup QB.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

Tombstone RJ · 10-20-2009, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karenin

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.br....2.951605.html

Umm yea, he was signed to backup Cutler, and was paid 6 million for two years, hardly a "good chunk of change" and pretty standard for a backup QB.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

$6m for a back up?

Really? Ok...

Thanks for the info. kerry.

Irish Stout · 10-20-2009, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMcBuff

If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

Yet BroncoBuff has not said this is a silly thread. Your statement is merely a hypothetical.

I posed an honest question that you don't want to answer. I said why did you and do you still want Simms over Neckbeard? And your reply is?

RhymesayersDU · 10-20-2009, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMcBuff

If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

That's cum-guzzler BroncoBuff according to Karenin.

Karenin · 10-20-2009, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

$6m for a back up?

Really? Ok...

Thanks for the info. kerry.

Quote:

The Denver Broncos on Wednesday night won the battle for coveted backup quarterback Patrick Ramsey, with ESPN.com learning the club has reached a contract agreement with the five-year veteran.

Ramsey, 28, will sign a two-year contract worth approximately $5 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791258

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself now.

strafen · 10-20-2009, 09:10 AM

As much as it pains to say it, I'd stick with Orton over Simms at this point. Simply because Orton right now is a product of the system. He's further along into learning the system, and he's being coached magnificent by McDaniels

Orton has removed a couple of doubts, and one of them is that he can actually make some pretty nice throws when he stays within the system and game plan

Tombstone RJ · 10-20-2009, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karenin

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791258

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself now.

Really, how?

Point is, McD brought in Simms to back up Cutler and paid him $6m.

Pony Boy · 10-20-2009, 09:14 AM

I have learned my lesson, not to second-guess McDaniel's but if we are doing "what if", I have wondered how Matt Cassell would have played knowing the offence inside and out and not needing a learning curve........

BroncoBuff · 10-20-2009, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish McStout

I posed an honest question that you don't want to answer. I said why did you and do you still want Simms over Neckbeard? And your reply is?

This must be some kind of sarcasm ... but I don't get it.

Kyle Orton is one of the top 3 or 4 quarterbacks in the league this year. not only should we not bench him, we should do anything and everything we can to keep him healthy so we can keep winning

broncogary · 10-20-2009, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMcBuff

If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

That's BroncoMcBuff to you.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-20-2009, 10:32 PM

i have been calling for us to give Orton a new deal, and was in his corner the moment he was traded here

BroncoBuff · 10-20-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by broncogary

That's BroncoMcBuff to you.

Where's the horse in flippers?

I WANT AVATARS BAAAAACK!!!!

Kaylore · 10-20-2009, 10:35 PM

It was stupid and based on Simms rolling out and throwing over a corner back who was cut from the Niners in a preseason game for a touchdown. Suddenly Simms was "the answer" and everyone hated Orton after one preseason game against scrubs.

Idiots.

BroncoBuff · 10-20-2009, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

It was stupid and based on Simms rolling out and throwing over a corner back who was cut from the Niners in a preseason game for a touchdown. Suddenly Simms was "the answer" and everyone hated Orton after one preseason game against scrubs.

Idiots.

Wow, you hate Simms almost as much as I love him

You're selling him short though, way short. He had 4 possessions against SF, 3 of them we scored, and the 4th McKinley dropped an easy 3rd down pass. And as far as doing it against scrubs, he was playing with scrubs too

CHRIS SIMMS FAN CLUB!! ... who's with me?!

Kaylore · 10-20-2009, 11:24 PM

He holds the ball too long and lacks any accuracy after about 20 yards. Has he ever legitimately won a starting job in the NFL?

BroncoBuff · 10-20-2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

He holds the ball too long and lacks any accuracy after about 20 yards. Has he ever legitimately won a starting job in the NFL?

Yes, but he lost it the next year ... he was set to be benched when the spleen thing happened. Spleen or no spleen, he sucked early that year. He had won the job with his playe the previous year and that preseason though.

Dunno about the deep ball ... never noticed that as a weakness.

Atwater His Ass · 10-21-2009, 12:08 AM

I still don't think Orton is the future, but it would be beyond idiotic to put in Simms over him at this point with how well the team is doing currently.

ZONA · 10-21-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

I still don't think Orton is the future, but it would be beyond idiotic to put in Simms over him at this point with how well the team is doing currently.

I USED to think this also but I can't sit here and say he's not the future when he doesn't even have a loss yet as a Bronco and among active QB's he's 3rd in winning %.

You have to ask yourself why don't you think he's not the future? He's young enough, smart enough, a good leader, more accurate the most QB's, careful with the ball and since that glove has come off, there is some pretty good zip on his balls. There is NOTHING right now to enforce your position that he could not be the future QB.

10-20-2009, 08:28 AM	#1
Irish Stout Ring of Famer Run for it Marty! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,805 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	10-20-09 - Orton or Simms I'm afraid this thread will have a negative vibe to it, which I don't want. I just want to understand this. It seemed to me that before the season began people were calling for Orton's head and wishing that Simms would take his place. I always thought that was a bad idea, because I thought Orton was/is a much stronger QB than Simms. What was the reasoning behind this? Now that we're here at 6-0 the Orton-haters have dropped off quite a bit, even from when we were 4-0 and they were arguing that Orton couldn't win us a game from behind. Whats the current feeling on Orton and do people still want Simms to be our starter?

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10-20-2009, 08:42 AM	#2
crush17 orange & blue Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 2,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: DT88	BRANDSTATER!! hahaha j/k

10-20-2009, 08:48 AM	#3
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,313 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	Simms is a complete unknown. Those who wanted Simms to start over Orton basically said this because of Orton's lousy pre-season. I was one of the posters who said that I'd have no problem bringing Simms in IF Orton struggled. Face it, Simms is still a complete unknown. For all we know, Simms IS the best QB on the team. But as long as Orton is winning and the team chemistry is good, then there's no way we will ever know. Give props to Orton. He's getting better as the season progresses and he is a good leader on this offense. As for Simms, he is gonna have to wait. Only an injury to Orton will allow him to step on the field. Even if Simms plays well in Orton's obsence there's no reason to believe that McD will pull a Tom Brady and keep Simms in when Orton comes back...

10-20-2009, 08:53 AM	#4
Karenin Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 829 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Simms is not an unknown. He sucked in college and he's sucked in the pros. It would be nice if everybody (cough cough cum-guzzler broncobuff) could stop pretending that he's some sort of unknown quantity who could be an immense talent if just given the chance. He's a fine backup, probably about as good as Patrick Ramsey or David Carr, and that's it.

10-20-2009, 08:56 AM	#6
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,440 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

10-20-2009, 09:10 AM	#13
strafen Karma Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,928 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elway	As much as it pains to say it, I'd stick with Orton over Simms at this point. Simply because Orton right now is a product of the system. He's further along into learning the system, and he's being coached magnificent by McDaniels Orton has removed a couple of doubts, and one of them is that he can actually make some pretty nice throws when he stays within the system and game plan

10-20-2009, 09:14 AM	#15
Pony Boy "Whoa Nellie" Rub some dirt on it Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,315 Adopt-a-Bronco: mellon head	I have learned my lesson, not to second-guess McDaniel's but if we are doing "what if", I have wondered how Matt Cassell would have played knowing the offence inside and out and not needing a learning curve........

10-20-2009, 10:32 PM	#18
BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,576 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	i have been calling for us to give Orton a new deal, and was in his corner the moment he was traded here

10-20-2009, 10:35 PM	#20
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	It was stupid and based on Simms rolling out and throwing over a corner back who was cut from the Niners in a preseason game for a touchdown. Suddenly Simms was "the answer" and everyone hated Orton after one preseason game against scrubs. Idiots.

10-20-2009, 11:24 PM	#22
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	He holds the ball too long and lacks any accuracy after about 20 yards. Has he ever legitimately won a starting job in the NFL?

10-21-2009, 12:08 AM	#24
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,364 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I still don't think Orton is the future, but it would be beyond idiotic to put in Simms over him at this point with how well the team is doing currently.