Can we afford to keep Dummervil, Marshall, Scheffler, Orton and Kuper next season - The Orange Mane

bronco0608 · 10-19-2009, 08:09 PM

All are free agents. If I was the team, I would re-sign the difference making skill position players and let Kuper walk. Realistically, I would love to have Kuper back, but I doubt the team can afford it.

We need Orton, Marshall, Scheffler, and Dummervil back. Those guys fit our system, are young, productive, and game changers.

BroncoDoug · 10-19-2009, 08:13 PM

I don't know anything about cap numbers, but I think the fact that their is not cap next year really helps us keep our own free agents...

Karenin · 10-19-2009, 08:13 PM

Letting an all-pro caliber guard go to sign decent but not-spectacular players like Scheffler is no way to run a franchise.

TheReverend · 10-19-2009, 08:14 PM

Elvis needs an extension now. Marshall should be second priority with an option to tag him. If no CBA we get a 2nd tag that we can hit Orton with but shouldn't be an issue. He's well aware that it's McD that's creating him and should take a reasonable offer.

tsiguy96 · 10-19-2009, 08:14 PM

i sure as hell hope so.

bronco0608 · 10-19-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Karenin

Letting an all-pro caliber guard go to sign decent but not-spectacular players like Scheffler is no way to run a franchise.

****, Scheffler has led the league in YPC for TEs before. Thats a difference maker.

Karenin · 10-19-2009, 08:15 PM

on what, 30 catches?

bronco0608 · 10-19-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Karenin

on what, 30 catches?

Try 50 or so.

And when did Kuper become All-Pro? He hasn't even made a Pro Bowl before.

RhymesayersDU · 10-19-2009, 08:26 PM

I like Scheff, but I agree if push comes to shove, we can let him go.

bronco0608 · 10-19-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Karenin

on what, 30 catches?

Man, you got bad timing.

Karenin · 10-19-2009, 08:29 PM

ummm.... one play doesn't really change things one way or the other. and you're obviously the kind of guy that only watches the ball, but if you actually tried watching the line for once, you'd realize Kuper (and Clady) are the only reason Orton has 5 seconds to throw every play.

steeledude · 10-19-2009, 08:33 PM

Keep them all. Except Orton. Find a better guy to throw the ball. I hate game managers. Though Scheff and Marsh are doing everything they can to show he is not a game manager.

I also like how Royal is tired of not being thrown to so he's done everything he can to circumvent the QB problem tonight.

bombay · 10-19-2009, 08:36 PM

Have to have those guys.

Orton is the key to all of it, though. He's the general, and one hell of a QB.

That One Guy · 10-19-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by steeledude

Keep them all. Except Orton. Find a better guy to throw the ball. I hate game managers. Though Scheff and Marsh are doing everything they can to show he is not a game manager.

I also like how Royal is tired of not being thrown to so he's done everything he can to circumvent the QB problem tonight.

That's plain silly to talk about Orton's faults at this point. You could argue his play is as good as in any the league.

SportinOne · 10-19-2009, 08:48 PM

If there is no cap and a single one of those players leaves then Bowlen, and only Bowlen, is to blame.

That One Guy · 10-19-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Elvis needs an extension now. Marshall should be second priority with an option to tag him. If no CBA we get a 2nd tag that we can hit Orton with but shouldn't be an issue. He's well aware that it's McD that's creating him and should take a reasonable offer.

I'd rather they hit a different position with a tag. QB tag has to be insane.

anon · 10-19-2009, 08:49 PM

I really can't find much fault with Orton's play right now. It's all working.

SportinOne · 10-19-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cah412

That's plain silly to talk about Orton's faults at this point. You could argue his play is as good as in any the league.

He makes great decisions, but he is certainly not without fault.

Are there better QB's in the league? Yes, definitely. But who are we going to bring in, be it draft, free agency, or trade in the offseason that is going to be ready to perform at a high level in Week 1 2010?

The one thing Orton has going for him is the fact that there aren't a whole lot of QB's that could learn this offense as fast as he did.

Ideally, we just need to hope that the Texans take yet another late season nose dive and Matt Schaub finally snaps on his teammates. That way we can trade Kyle Orton, 2 1sts, and a 3rd for him (Man does that seem like a lot to give up!).

Karenin · 10-19-2009, 08:56 PM

Orton is better than Schaub.

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-19-2009, 09:34 PM

Anyone think this is why they traded one of the 1sts? Not that Bowlen couldn't afford 2 1sts again, but they would rather spend the money on these guys?

TheReverend · 10-19-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cah412

I'd rather they hit a different position with a tag. QB tag has to be insane.

Probably closer to 20m than 15 next year. I HIGHLY doubt we'd need it, but if necessary, tag this neckbeared bastard

bpc · 10-19-2009, 09:43 PM

Doom and Kuper should be priority. Keep the lines in tact. Factor in that Hamilton is probably on his last legs this season with our offense.

Build from there. BMarsh/Orton.

Scheffler should be last on the list. He's a H-Back who's too slow to be an every down WR's, too weak to play TE in this offense.

Denver724 · 10-19-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco0608

All are free agents. If I was the team, I would re-sign the difference making skill position players and let Kuper walk. Realistically, I would love to have Kuper back, but I doubt the team can afford it.

We need Orton, Marshall, Scheffler, and Dummervil back. Those guys fit our system, are young, productive, and game changers.

None, except Orton, are UFA if there is no CBA. They will be UFA during the 6th year and not the 4th. They will be RFA next year (without a CBA) and I am sure we will sign them to the max allowable, which means we can match any offer OR let them go and get the other teams 1st and 3rd round picks.

bronco0608 · 10-19-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Anyone think this is why they traded one of the 1sts? Not that Bowlen couldn't afford 2 1sts again, but they would rather spend the money on these guys?

Great point but on a tangent.

With the QB market going the way it was going, no way we could re-signed all those guys and give Cutler his 6 year, 100 million dollar deal. We could have signed Cutler and maybe Marshall and everybody else had to walk.

Also another reason why we traded our first.

Good point.

There is a lot more that went into the Cutler trade than we know.

hookemhess · 10-19-2009, 10:38 PM

1. Dumervil
2. Marshall
3. Kuper
4. Orton
5. Scheffler

Not take away from Kyle's great performance thus far, but I have a feeling McD truly is a QB genius.... so I'd say the top 3 are priority and the bottom two are expendable.

10-19-2009, 08:09 PM	#1
bronco0608 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,177 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Can we afford to keep Dummervil, Marshall, Scheffler, Orton and Kuper next season All are free agents. If I was the team, I would re-sign the difference making skill position players and let Kuper walk. Realistically, I would love to have Kuper back, but I doubt the team can afford it. We need Orton, Marshall, Scheffler, and Dummervil back. Those guys fit our system, are young, productive, and game changers. Last edited by bronco0608; 10-19-2009 at 08:14 PM..

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bombay Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: denver Posts: 4,330	Have to have those guys. Orton is the key to all of it, though. He's the general, and one hell of a QB. Last edited by bombay; 10-19-2009 at 08:38 PM..

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10-19-2009, 08:13 PM	#2
BroncoDoug Ring of Famer R.I.P. D-Will and D-Nash Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Moline, IL Posts: 2,767 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I don't know anything about cap numbers, but I think the fact that their is not cap next year really helps us keep our own free agents...

10-19-2009, 08:13 PM	#3
Karenin Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 829 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Letting an all-pro caliber guard go to sign decent but not-spectacular players like Scheffler is no way to run a franchise.

10-19-2009, 08:14 PM	#4
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,990 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Elvis needs an extension now. Marshall should be second priority with an option to tag him. If no CBA we get a 2nd tag that we can hit Orton with but shouldn't be an issue. He's well aware that it's McD that's creating him and should take a reasonable offer.

10-19-2009, 08:14 PM	#5
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	i sure as hell hope so.

10-19-2009, 08:15 PM	#7
Karenin Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 829 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	on what, 30 catches?

10-19-2009, 08:26 PM	#9
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	I like Scheff, but I agree if push comes to shove, we can let him go.

10-19-2009, 08:29 PM	#11
Karenin Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 829 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	ummm.... one play doesn't really change things one way or the other. and you're obviously the kind of guy that only watches the ball, but if you actually tried watching the line for once, you'd realize Kuper (and Clady) are the only reason Orton has 5 seconds to throw every play.

10-19-2009, 08:33 PM	#12
steeledude Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 362 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Keep them all. Except Orton. Find a better guy to throw the ball. I hate game managers. Though Scheff and Marsh are doing everything they can to show he is not a game manager. I also like how Royal is tired of not being thrown to so he's done everything he can to circumvent the QB problem tonight.

10-19-2009, 08:48 PM	#15
SportinOne Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,422	If there is no cap and a single one of those players leaves then Bowlen, and only Bowlen, is to blame.

10-19-2009, 08:49 PM	#17
anon Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 287	I really can't find much fault with Orton's play right now. It's all working.

10-19-2009, 08:56 PM	#19
Karenin Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 829 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Orton is better than Schaub.

10-19-2009, 09:34 PM	#20
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Anyone think this is why they traded one of the 1sts? Not that Bowlen couldn't afford 2 1sts again, but they would rather spend the money on these guys?

10-19-2009, 09:43 PM	#22
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,569 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Doom and Kuper should be priority. Keep the lines in tact. Factor in that Hamilton is probably on his last legs this season with our offense. Build from there. BMarsh/Orton. Scheffler should be last on the list. He's a H-Back who's too slow to be an every down WR's, too weak to play TE in this offense.

10-19-2009, 10:38 PM	#25
hookemhess Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 950 Adopt-a-Bronco: Blake Gideon	1. Dumervil 2. Marshall 3. Kuper 4. Orton 5. Scheffler Not take away from Kyle's great performance thus far, but I have a feeling McD truly is a QB genius.... so I'd say the top 3 are priority and the bottom two are expendable.