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Old 10-18-2009, 10:29 AM   #1
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Default How would you fix 3rd/4th and 1??

Besides fumbling a biut too much, the one are of concern for me is the 3rd/4th and inches plays that we have failed on in at least 6 attempts off the top of my head....
I know its pretty much all on the O-Line. If they get a push on their guy, its pretty much an easy first down. Is it as easy as that? Just coach up the O-Line a little more? What about if the O-Line fails? It doesnt mean we can't get the first down/touchdown....
Is it personel? Hillis or Jordan instead of Moreno or Buck? PA passes? Passes work from time to time but I'd like to see this team be able to pound the ball in short yardage situations. I want the other team to KNOW we are gonna slam it down their throat and we do it at will!
What do you think? Coach up the O-Line? Different personel? More creativity in play selection?
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:33 AM   #2
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We should probably leave it to the coaches to figure out.
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:34 AM   #3
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:34 AM   #4
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That's a good question I think Harris is the problem but that's the easy answer. Most here will say we should be running Hillis in those situations.
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The interior O-Line is too small to consistently run it up the gut with success.

Neither Weigmann or Hamilton are even close to 300 lbs, which is great for pass protection and zone blocking runs, but when you wanna just pound it up there that's not the kind of linemen you want.

It'll continue to be an issue unfortunately, we need to run some tosses or PA on 3rd and short.
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:41 AM   #7
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Hamilton sticks out like a sore thumb in those situations. He's a solid player and a great technical player, but he can get pushed out. That coupled with Hamilton's age and it wouldn't surprise me if we took a big, nasty guard early in the next draft (possibly in the 1st depending on what our other needs are and who's available).

As far as what we can do to fix the problem...we need to vary what we do in those situations. So far, it seems we just try to pound it up the gut. We need to try some other things...pitches to the outside, play action passes. This will give the defense something to think about and perhaps loosen up the middle in those situations.
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Old 10-18-2009, 10:46 AM   #8
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why dont we try to run some other place besides the middle i would fake a run in the middle and either do a very short pass or a run to the end
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Definaley need more pitches. O line though undersized is good at sealing the edges and we have good blocking wr's. Seems like a no brainier to me. Not sure why they haven't done it thus far.
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Yeah agree with the sentiment here, need to run on the edges more in those situations. Our Oline is too small to run up the middle in short yardage situations...
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yeah they tried that he isn't doing so well. False starts and fumbles aren't the solution. I feel bad for the guy he has serious yips.

As to my solution, keep getting bigger on the oline as time progresses. Keep working on straight up line blocking. May be an issue all year though.
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We should probably leave it to the coaches to figure out.
Thanks for the input... Lets close the board down... no reason to be here, this dude figured it all out.
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yeah they tried that he isn't doing so well. False starts and fumbles aren't the solution. I feel bad for the guy he has serious yips.

Bah! Moreno has made way more mistakes than Hillis has this season.
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He's in the doghouse. He's screwed up pretty much every opportunity they've given him thus far. I am sure he'll get others eventually, but everyone acts like Hillis is this beast because he had three good games last season. NFL history is littered with such players who never managed to duplicate that success with any consistency. Hillis could be such a player. Hopefully not, but let's not act like he's some stud because of brief success he had last season.
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Bah! Moreno has made way more mistakes than Hillis has this season.
go back and watch a few 4th and goals on the one and write down who has made the mistakes in that situation. Then get back to me.

If you don't want to I will tell you. it was hillis. He has had a few false starts down there.

Moreno has made more mistakes but he has 5 times more carries. Hillis has made some bad ones. Which wasn't his M.O. so again I state he has a serious case of the yips and isn't the answer right now.
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Bah! Moreno has made way more mistakes than Hillis has this season.
I disagree, Moreno has had a fumbling issue recently, but that is fixable. Hillis issues are penalties and a lack of understanding of the offense. Last week was very telling when Hillis went in motion but had no idea where to go, forcing Denver to burn a timeout.
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He's in the doghouse. He's screwed up pretty much every opportunity they've given him thus far. I am sure he'll get others eventually, but everyone acts like Hillis is this beast because he had three good games last season. NFL history is littered with such players who never managed to duplicate that success with any consistency. Hillis could be such a player. Hopefully not, but let's not act like he's some stud because of brief success he had last season.

Who on our roster is a better third down back than Hillis? Lamont Jordan? I'm not acting like he's anything but a resource who should be utilized better.
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Bah! Moreno has made way more mistakes than Hillis has this season.
Define "way more." He's had far more opportunities, so of course he's going to have more mistakes. But he's also made "way more" plays. And, I'd say on a percentage basis, he's made fewer mistakes than Hillis.
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Who on our roster is a better third down back than Hillis? Lamont Jordan? I'm not acting like he's anything but a resource who should be utilized better.
Well if you like false starts and fumbles then yes Hillis is the best choice.
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Who on our roster is a better third down back than Hillis? Lamont Jordan? I'm not acting like he's anything but a resource who should be utilized better.
Then he'll have to take advantage of his chances when he gets them. So far, he's screwed up when he's been given an opportunity. He's going to have to earn the trust of the coaching staff by making a play when they give him a chance. If he does so, then he'll get more opportunities. But, so far, he has not earned that trust.
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It feels like our short yardage plays are slow-developing. I have no idea why, but it seems like it's way too long before the RB is at the LOS.
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Thats the thing Brit the team executes on every other facet of the gameplan except short yardage. Its kind of crazy.

I do agree with Taco that Hillis with his mind right is the best option but his head is not there right now.
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Well if you like false starts and fumbles then yes Hillis is the best choice.
One or two mistakes. No more than anybody else on the team. You act as if that's all he's capable of doing. The guy has proven he can be an effective player. Guys have bad games. He had one. Now he isn't being used in situations where he's the best option. He needs more chances. Or we can continue with our 0 for 10 or whatever our down and inches % is.
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