Wildhorse?? Any thoughts? - The Orange Mane

sutoazul · 10-12-2009, 07:49 PM

sorry if I'm starting a new thread on this, but did not see one.

Anyone got the stats on how this formation produced?? I think McDaniels caught Bellichick off guard with the wildcat option... I like the move (just for this game though, don't like to be a base formation for our offense).

Any thoughts??

Rock Chalk · 10-12-2009, 07:51 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=8540

sutoazul · 10-12-2009, 08:08 PM

not a valid link there Alec!!!

Broncos4tw · 10-12-2009, 08:09 PM

I hope we don't run this regularly. And I hope this doesn't become the new "fad' in the NFL, either. Ugh.

Rock Chalk · 10-12-2009, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=8540

My bad.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...ht=Wild+Horses

spdirty · 10-12-2009, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

I hope we don't run this regularly. And I hope this doesn't become the new "fad' in the NFL, either. Ugh.

We will run it till it doesnt work.

Rock Chalk · 10-12-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

I hope we don't run this regularly. And I hope this doesn't become the new "fad' in the NFL, either. Ugh.

Why the hell not?

In the Wild Horse formation, Denver succeeded every single time.

Orton was 7/7 passing and Moreno rushed for over 4 ypc when they ran out of it.

As for the fad aspect, get used to it. Its a version of the wild cat which has clearly picked up steam since Miami ran it last season.

RhymesayersDU · 10-12-2009, 08:24 PM

Needless to say, it's the best thing to happen to the NFL since the forward pass.

strafen · 10-12-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sutoazul

sorry if I'm starting a new thread on this, but did not see one.

Anyone got the stats on how this formation produced?? I think McDaniels caught Bellichick off guard with the wildcat option... I like the move (just for this game though, don't like to be a base formation for our offense).

Any thoughts??

I'm not sure if we would be seeing any of the wild horse formation any time soon, but like you've said, this was thrown in the game plan against the Patriots to add a little wrinkle in the mix
Both offenses are too similar, you have to actually do something they haven't seen, and the wild horse formation was definitely something New England wasn't expecting at all.
Good job by McDaniels for keep finding ways to give our team an edge...

I think as long as this formation give us an edge against a tough competition it will always be there ready when needed...

SonOfLe-loLang · 10-12-2009, 10:01 PM

Why not put it in there for a change of pace every now and again? Hating on it simply because its a fad is nonsensical.

No1BroncoFan · 10-12-2009, 10:23 PM

Parachute pants were a fad, but they were very successful. Wish I had invested before they caught on.

If it's successful, ride it 'til they learn to stop it. Who gives a **** if it's a fad.

Ben

Popps · 10-12-2009, 10:38 PM

This is one of the few things Taco has ever gotten right. He and I discussed a few years back how we thought the NFL would start finding a way to open up the offense to some of the running QBs without making them starters, and potentially seeing almost a pro version of the Option.

You're now seeing guys like White being drafted and Vick signed as situational QBs instead of starters, which makes a lot of sense.

Putting versatile guys like Ronnie Brown behind center is just smart offensive play-calling. The more you give a defense to think about, the tougher you make it on them. Certainly, you have to be able to line up and run for 3 yards when you need it... but a varied attack is a positive thing in this day and age.

I loved seeing us implement the Wild Horses this weekend. Hope it's here to stay.

Bronco Yoda · 10-12-2009, 10:50 PM

I love it that we have this in our tool chest. You know we'll keep tweaking it. It also gives the next team a lot more to plan for. You just gotta know that the Chargers coaching staff is scrambling right about now trying to prepare for this new wrinkle.

Swedish Extrovert · 10-12-2009, 10:51 PM

Can you snap the ball to a QB in motion?

I'd like to see that.

BroncoDoug · 10-12-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MightySmurf

Can you snap the ball to a QB in motion?

I'd like to see that.

wow, that would be a trip!

Bronco Yoda · 10-12-2009, 11:01 PM

I guess if no one else is moving. That would be playing with fire & gasoline at the same time me thinks.

uplink · 10-12-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sutoazul

I think McDaniels caught Bellichick off guard with the wildcat option.

I don't think so cause I thought one of the teams would go to it myself since it would be advantagous to go to a very new offensive look since each team is very familar with each others offense.

Plus I guess that this offense may give Belichick's defense extra trouble for some reason (I'm not smart enough to know why). Thats why the fins developed it and broke it out vs. the Pats and why Josh may have gone to it.
The Pats still seem to have trouble with it.

Swedish Extrovert · 10-12-2009, 11:22 PM

It would be so confusing. Here you have a wildcat formation, everyone on defense is expecting run, then POW the QB has the ball, rolling out to the right, hitting the streaking receiver down the right sideline.

What about double passes? Like a direct snap to the RB, with a quick screen to the QB... can the QB then launch the thing across the field?

The possibilities of a wildcat formation are more endless than what any NFL or NCAA coach has tapped into. I'd like to see some crazy plays... Orton is NOT the guy you want running these plays though. You need a Michael Vick or even an, ahem, Jay Cutler to do so.

BMarsh615 · 10-12-2009, 11:38 PM

McDaniels is going to draft Tim Tebow in the first round next year, and the WildHorse will be our base offense.

cousinal11 · 10-13-2009, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sutoazul

sorry if I'm starting a new thread on this, but did not see one.

Anyone got the stats on how this formation produced?? I think McDaniels caught Bellichick off guard with the wildcat option... I like the move (just for this game though, don't like to be a base formation for our offense).

Any thoughts??

I don't see how you could argue against this. NE looked confused and had no answer until they burned a timeout. At that point, they seemed to make an adjustment as I don't think we ran it very often after that.

_Oro_ · 10-13-2009, 06:20 AM

Speaking of Tebow, I used to think he'd be worthless in the NFL as a QB but since offenses have figured out you don't have to have one starter at qb for the whole game and be effective he's going to go super high.

cmhargrove · 10-13-2009, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightySmurf

Can you snap the ball to a QB in motion?

I'd like to see that.

What are you looking for, a Kyle Orton Sweep play?

TailgateNut · 10-13-2009, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Why the hell not?

In the Wild Horse formation, Denver succeeded every single time.

Orton was 7/7 passing and Moreno rushed for over 4 ypc when they ran out of it.

As for the fad aspect, get used to it. Its a version of the wild cat which has clearly picked up steam since Miami ran it last season.

Miami did well last night using it. I'm glad they kicked the J E T S' a$$e$.

Keep those AFC w-l records balanced.

Inkana7 · 10-13-2009, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmhargrove

What are you looking for, a Kyle Orton Sweep play?

22 Neckbeard Jet.

Broncos4tw · 10-13-2009, 12:08 PM

Well, it worked the first two times... Pats adjusted.. it didn't yield squat after. So if we do keep it, then we need to mix it up a bit, because we were telegraphing our plays with that formation, after the first drive.

10-12-2009, 07:49 PM	#1
sutoazul Independently Owned Go Broncos!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,512 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Wildhorse?? Any thoughts? sorry if I'm starting a new thread on this, but did not see one. Anyone got the stats on how this formation produced?? I think McDaniels caught Bellichick off guard with the wildcat option... I like the move (just for this game though, don't like to be a base formation for our offense). Any thoughts??

10-12-2009, 11:22 PM	#18
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,964 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	It would be so confusing. Here you have a wildcat formation, everyone on defense is expecting run, then POW the QB has the ball, rolling out to the right, hitting the streaking receiver down the right sideline. What about double passes? Like a direct snap to the RB, with a quick screen to the QB... can the QB then launch the thing across the field? The possibilities of a wildcat formation are more endless than what any NFL or NCAA coach has tapped into. I'd like to see some crazy plays... Orton is NOT the guy you want running these plays though. You need a Michael Vick or even an, ahem, Jay Cutler to do so. Last edited by Swedish Extrovert; 10-13-2009 at 02:36 PM..

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10-12-2009, 07:51 PM	#2
Rock Chalk Cheeky Bastards Laus Deo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Backside of the Internet Posts: 29,940 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=8540

10-12-2009, 08:08 PM	#3
sutoazul Independently Owned Go Broncos!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,512 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	not a valid link there Alec!!!

10-12-2009, 08:09 PM	#4
Broncos4tw Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,458	I hope we don't run this regularly. And I hope this doesn't become the new "fad' in the NFL, either. Ugh.

10-12-2009, 08:24 PM	#8
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,815 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Needless to say, it's the best thing to happen to the NFL since the forward pass.

10-12-2009, 10:01 PM	#10
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,234 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Why not put it in there for a change of pace every now and again? Hating on it simply because its a fad is nonsensical.

10-12-2009, 10:23 PM	#11
No1BroncoFan Old School If you have to ask, you don't know Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 3,106	Parachute pants were a fad, but they were very successful. Wish I had invested before they caught on. If it's successful, ride it 'til they learn to stop it. Who gives a **** if it's a fad. Ben

10-12-2009, 10:38 PM	#12
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	This is one of the few things Taco has ever gotten right. He and I discussed a few years back how we thought the NFL would start finding a way to open up the offense to some of the running QBs without making them starters, and potentially seeing almost a pro version of the Option. You're now seeing guys like White being drafted and Vick signed as situational QBs instead of starters, which makes a lot of sense. Putting versatile guys like Ronnie Brown behind center is just smart offensive play-calling. The more you give a defense to think about, the tougher you make it on them. Certainly, you have to be able to line up and run for 3 yards when you need it... but a varied attack is a positive thing in this day and age. I loved seeing us implement the Wild Horses this weekend. Hope it's here to stay.

10-12-2009, 10:50 PM	#13
Bronco Yoda Stokley once... ...saved me from a beating Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,244	I love it that we have this in our tool chest. You know we'll keep tweaking it. It also gives the next team a lot more to plan for. You just gotta know that the Chargers coaching staff is scrambling right about now trying to prepare for this new wrinkle.

10-12-2009, 10:51 PM	#14
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,964 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	Can you snap the ball to a QB in motion? I'd like to see that.

10-12-2009, 11:01 PM	#16
Bronco Yoda Stokley once... ...saved me from a beating Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,244	I guess if no one else is moving. That would be playing with fire & gasoline at the same time me thinks.

10-12-2009, 11:38 PM	#19
BMarsh615 Ring of Famer 21’s No Champ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,019 Adopt-a-Bronco: # 15	McDaniels is going to draft Tim Tebow in the first round next year, and the WildHorse will be our base offense.

10-13-2009, 06:20 AM	#21
_Oro_ Formerly known as Casson *Don't run that sht this way.** Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 1,199 Adopt-a-Bronco: - R. Ayers	Speaking of Tebow, I used to think he'd be worthless in the NFL as a QB but since offenses have figured out you don't have to have one starter at qb for the whole game and be effective he's going to go super high.

10-13-2009, 12:08 PM	#25
Broncos4tw Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,458	Well, it worked the first two times... Pats adjusted.. it didn't yield squat after. So if we do keep it, then we need to mix it up a bit, because we were telegraphing our plays with that formation, after the first drive.