Al gore avoids

[Bronx33]

answering simple questions during a Q&A about his movie (An Inconvenient Truth) which contains AT LEAST NINE brazen falsehoods being shown to school children as truth and is journalism being censored who are this guys that shut off the question askers mic? are polar bears going extinct? that isn't an answer mr gore? just defend your "truthful" movie which you have avoided doing for 4 years.



Hmmmm you would think mr gore would be more than happy to defend his movie for accuracy Hmmmmmmmmmmm i just wonder.

[W*GS]

http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/1...mcaleer-denier

[JJJ]

That British guy is asking a legitimate question, quick cut off his mic. Classic.

You guys have made Gore and Obama rockstars for basically making **** up and never having to back it up with facts.

[Garcia Bronco]

Global Warming has become a punchline. The globe has been cooling for almost a decade. And 98 percent of the heat for this planet comes from the sun. We need to stop funding these whackos.

[watermock]

Where's Al Gore about this?

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Global Warming has become a punchline. The globe has been cooling for almost a decade. And 98 percent of the heat for this planet comes from the sun. We need to stop funding these whackos.

That's hilarious. Good God almighty.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...warming-pause/

[watermock]

Nonetheless, temps are increasing thruout the solar system.

[watermock]

interesting

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by JJJ

You guys have made Limbaugh and Beck rockstars for basically making shiit up and never having to back it up with facts.

Fixed it for ya.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by watermock

Nonetheless, temps are increasing thruout the solar system.

No.

[watermock]

by Chris Akins
Member since:
April 13, 2006 Earth Ain't the Only Planet Getting Warmer...
March 12, 2007 04:32 PM EDT
views: 462 | rating: 7/10 (3 votes) | comments: 3
...and these planets don't have mankind (i.e., Americans) to blame.

Highlights include:

Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.
“Man-made greenhouse warming has [made a] small contribution [to] the warming on Earth in recent years, but [it] cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance,” Abdussamatov told LiveScience in an email interview last week. “The considerable heating and cooling on the Earth and on Mars always will be practically parallel."
“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets … Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”
Of course, the article has to tow the line of environmental-correctness and blame man (i.e., Americans). But the fact that it saw the light of day and floated an alternative idea is an accomplishment in and of itself.

What boggles my mind is how many of these nutzoid scientists want to blame humans (i.e., Americans).



Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds




Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

Others argue that such claims are misleading and create the false impression that rapid global warming, as Earth is experiencing, is a natural phenomenon.

While evidence suggests fluctuations in solar activity can affect climate on Earth, and that it has done so in the past, the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species.

Wobbly Mars

Habibullo Abdussamatov, the head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, recently linked the attenuation of ice caps on Mars to fluctuations in the sun's output. Abdussamatov also blamed solar fluctuations for Earth’s current global warming trend. His initial comments were published online by National Geographic News.

“Man-made greenhouse warming has [made a] small contribution [to] the warming on Earth in recent years, but [it] cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance,” Abdussamatov told LiveScience in an email interview last week. “The considerable heating and cooling on the Earth and on Mars always will be practically parallel."

But Abdussamatov’s critics say the Red Planet’s recent thawing is more likely due to natural variations in the planet’s orbit and tilt. On Earth, these wobbles, known as Milankovitch cycles, are thought to contribute to the onset and disappearance ice ages.

“It’s believed that what drives climate change on Mars are orbital variations,” said Jeffrey Plaut, a project scientist for NASA’s Mars Odyssey mission. “The Earth also goes through orbital variations similar to that of Mars.”

As for Abdussamatov’s claim that solar fluctuations are causing Earth’s current global warming, Charles Long, a climate physicist at Pacific Northwest National Laboratories in Washington, says the idea is nonsense.

“That’s nuts,” Long said in a telephone interview. “It doesn’t make physical sense that that’s the case.”

In 2005, Long’s team published a study in the journal Science showing that Earth experienced a period of “solar global dimming” from 1960 to 1990, during which time solar radiation hitting our planet’s surface decreased. Then from the mid-1990’s onward, the trend reversed and Earth experienced a “solar brightening.”

These changes were not likely driven by fluctuations in the output of the Sun, Long explained, but rather increases in atmospheric clouds or aerosols that reflected solar radiation back into space.

Other warming worlds

Others have pointed out anomalous warming on other worlds in our solar system.

Benny Peiser, a social anthropologist at Liverpool John Moores University who monitors studies and news reports of asteroids, global warming and other potentially apocalyptic topics, recently quoted in his daily electronic newsletter the following from a blog called Strata-Sphere:

“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets … Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”

Peiser included quotes from recent news articles that take up other aspects of the idea.

“I think it is an intriguing coincidence that warming trends have been observed on a number of very diverse planetary bodies in our solar system,” Peiser said in an email interview. “Perhaps this is just a fluke.”

In fact, scientists have alternative explanations for the anomalous warming on each of these other planetary bodies.

The warming on Triton, for example, could be the result of an extreme southern summer on the moon, a season that occurs every few hundred years, as well as possible changes in the makeup of surface ice that caused it to absorb more of the Sun’s heat.

Researchers credited Pluto’s warming to possible eruptive activity and a delayed thawing from its last close approach to the Sun in 1989.

And the recent storm activity on Jupiter is being blamed on a recurring climatic cycle that churns up material from the gas giant’s interior and lofts it to the surface, where it is heated by the Sun.

Sun does vary

The radiation output of the Sun does fluctuate over the course of its 11-year solar cycle. But the change is only about one-tenth of 1 percent—not substantial enough to affect Earth’s climate in dramatic ways, and certainly not enough to be the sole culprit of our planet’s current warming trend, scientists say.

“The small measured changes in solar output and variations from one decade to the next are only on the order of a fraction of a percent, and if you do the calculations not even large enough to really provide a detectable signal in the surface temperature record,” said Penn State meteorologist Michael Mann.

The link between solar activity and global warming is just another scapegoat for human-caused warming, Mann told LiveScience.

“Solar activity continues to be one of the last bastions of contrarians,” Mann said. “People who don’t accept the existence of anthropogenic climate change still try to point to solar activity.”

The Maunder Minimum

This is not to say that solar fluctuations never influence Earth’s climate in substantial ways. During a 75-year period beginning in 1645, astronomers detected almost no sunspot activity on the Sun. Called the “Maunder Minimum,” this event coincided with the coldest part of the Little Ice Age, a 350-year cold spell that gripped much of Europe and North America.

Recent studies have cast doubt on this relationship, however. New estimates of the total change in the brightness of the Sun during the Maunder Minimum suggest it was only fractions of a percent, and perhaps not enough to create the global cooling commonly attributed to it.

“The situation is pretty ambiguous,” said David Rind, a senior climate researcher at NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, who has modeled the Maunder Minimum.

Based on current estimates, even if another Maunder Minimum were to occur, it might result in an average temperature decrease of about 2 degrees Fahrenheit, Rind said.

This would still not be enough to counteract warming of between 2 to 12 degrees Fahrenheit from greenhouse gases by 2100, as predicted by the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report.


http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.ac...81474976929829

[W*GS]

http://www.skepticalscience.com

http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...ng-on-mars.htm

http://www.skepticalscience.com/glob...lar-system.htm

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by watermock

interesting

I did a little reseach about realclimate.org which reveals it's really (Environmental Media Services) EMS was founded in 1994 by Arlie Schardt, a former journalist, former communications director for Al Gore's 2000 Presidential campaign EMS is a member of the “Bolinas Group,” a consortium of environmental and anti-technology groups.

heres a little info on arlie schardt the progressive whom also work for tides ( go figure)

http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/2808

Considering the rampant exaggeration found in Environmental Media Services’ press releases and web pages, it’s ironic that EMS president Arlie Schardt is probably best known for pointing out others’ public hyperbole. As press secretary for Al Gore’s disastrous first presidential campaign in 1988, he warned then-Senator Gore: “Your main pitfall is exaggeration.”




So careful what you trust as truth there mock.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

I did a little reseach about realclimate.org which reveals it's really (Environmental Media Services) EMS was founded in 1994 by Arlie Schardt, a former journalist, former communications director for Al Gore's 2000 Presidential campaign EMS is a member of the “Bolinas Group,” a consortium of environmental and anti-technology groups.

heres a little info on arlie schardt the progressive whom also work for tides ( go figure)

http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/2808

Considering the rampant exaggeration found in Environmental Media Services’ press releases and web pages, it’s ironic that EMS president Arlie Schardt is probably best known for pointing out others’ public hyperbole. As press secretary for Al Gore’s disastrous first presidential campaign in 1988, he warned then-Senator Gore: “Your main pitfall is exaggeration.”




So careful what you trust as truth there mock.

Yes, those crazy NASA climatoligists over at realclimate who allow an open discussion of all the work they post there.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Yes, those crazy NASA climatoligists over at realclimate who allow an open discussion of all the work they post there.

Well since to watch one news channel it only makes sense you would trust one source on a subject like this

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Well since to watch one news channel it only makes sense you would trust one source on a subject like this

I very rarely watch cable news, tyvm, unless there's a major event like the SOTU or whatever - everyone once and awhile C-Span. Most of what I get is from podcasts and the internet.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

I very rarely watch cable news, tyvm, unless there's a major event like the SOTU or whatever - everyone once and awhile C-Span. Most of what I get is from podcasts and the internet.

I would loooove to see your favorites folder

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

I would loooove to see your favorites folder

Podcasts:
The Young Turks
Wait wait don’t tell me!
Maddow & Olbermann
Bill Maher
Thom Hartmann
Colbert Report
Daily Show
Ring of Fire
Counterspin
60 Minutes
Meet The Press
Mother Jones Podcast
On the Media
Le Show
NPR
Slate

and a few others... Some are compilations... I get to listen to podcasts while I work, so I get a lot there

The Web:
Yahoo & Google News
FiveThirtyEight
Drudge
HuffPo
DailyKos
RealClimate
Fidelity Business News Stream

this could go on forever, but I hit most of those every day.

[Bronx33]

well that explains alot but thanks!

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

well that explains alot but thanks!

Sure. Can I see your list?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

I did a little reseach about realclimate.org which reveals it's really (Environmental Media Services)

Nope.

Try again.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

answering simple questions during a Q&A about his movie (An Inconvenient Truth)....

...because he doesn't want to waste his time humoring a bunch of right-wing loons who don't believe in science anyway (or who simply parrot "scientific" data sponsored by the Heritage Foundation?")

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Nope.

Try again.

It was fairly simple dude (whois) opens the book then it was cake from there.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

I did a little reseach about realclimate.org which reveals it's really (Environmental Media Services)

Rare is the occasion that I agree with W*GS about anything, but if you're foolish enough to debate him on this issue then you will get your ass handed to you.

Guaranteed.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

...because he doesn't want to waste his time humoring a bunch of right-wing loons who don't believe in science anyway (or who simply parrot "scientific" data sponsored by the Heritage Foundation?")

The question asker was a journalist at a journalist function where gore was suppose to answer questions so being truthful is wasting time? does he support his movie or not? it seems he doesn't by his response and theres a reason he folded but sadly you failed to look past his pretty blue eyes again.