Let's Talk NFL Overtime Rules - The Orange Mane

RhymesayersDU · 10-11-2009, 09:08 PM

So here's my issue. What I noticed today was that the second loudest cheer in my house was when we won the coin toss to start OT. (The loudest was obviously the GW FG.)

But should it be like that? Should games and lives hinge on a coin flip? I know that on one side, you could easily say the Pats (or any team that loses the coin toss) have every opportunity to play good, hard defense. But let's be real. Most teams that win the flip win the game.

Do you feel there should be a change?

Clockwork Orange · 10-11-2009, 09:09 PM

Leave it as it is. It doesn't come down to a coin flip, it comes down to whether or not you can stop the opposition. If your defense can't stop them, you deserve to lose.

Bronx33 · 10-11-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Leave it as it is. It doesn't come down to a coin flip, it comes down to whether or not you can stop the opposition. If your defense can't stop them, you deserve to lose.

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Orange4Life · 10-11-2009, 09:12 PM

I hate the college/HS format. I think the NFL format is great. Sudden death creates incredible drama. If you can't get a stop you deserve to lose.

SouthCarolinaBronco · 10-11-2009, 09:12 PM

Either one full 15 minute quarter or use the college system but start from the 40.

The system is "fair" in that the outcome of the coin flip is random and you are just as likely to benefit as you are to lose. But games should be decided on the field, and the coin toss gives too much of an advantage to the winner unless the teams involved are very defense oriented.

Man-Goblin · 10-11-2009, 09:13 PM

I hate it. But I also hate the college version. I don't know what you could do that would be fair. Maybe give each team a shot from the other 20.

SouthCarolinaBronco · 10-11-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Leave it as it is. It doesn't come down to a coin flip, it comes down to whether or not you can stop the opposition. If your defense can't stop them, you deserve to lose.

Think about Denver-San Diego last year, the Ed Hochuli game. If that thing goes to overtime, the coin flip winner wins because of the coin flip. Neither of those defenses could stop the other team, it was a total track meet. That's not how NFL games should be decided.

TDmvp · 10-11-2009, 09:14 PM

I hate the college version of OT added with the BCS so much I don't even really follow college ball...

spdirty · 10-11-2009, 09:14 PM

I usually hate the overtime rules, but today I love em.

cutthemdown · 10-11-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

So here's my issue. What I noticed today was that the second loudest cheer in my house was when we won the coin toss to start OT. (The loudest was obviously the GW FG.)

But should it be like that? Should games and lives hinge on a coin flip? I know that on one side, you could easily say the Pats (or any team that loses the coin toss) have every opportunity to play good, hard defense. But let's be real. Most teams that win the flip win the game.

Do you feel there should be a change?

I'd like to see the official numbers on how many teams that won flip won game.

HEAV · 10-11-2009, 09:17 PM

While I feel that it's the defense's job to get the ball back. I really wouldn't mind just playing the extra quarter and see what happens.

Clockwork Orange · 10-11-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthCarolinaBronco

Think about Denver-San Diego last year, the Ed Hochuli game. If that thing goes to overtime, the coin flip winner wins because of the coin flip. Neither of those defenses could stop the other team, it was a total track meet. That's not how NFL games should be decided.

The way I see it is that coming up with a big stop in a pressure situation is part of the game. If your defense isn't any good, you don't deserve to have the rules amended to give you a better shot in OT.

Don't leave it up to a coin toss, have a capable defense.

Fedaykin · 10-11-2009, 09:21 PM

an interesting change to preserve the "sudden death" concept would be make the overtime one posession.

If the team with posession scores, they win the game.

If they don't score, the defenders win.

Orange4Life · 10-11-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by McMan-Goblin

I hate it. But I also hate the college version. I don't know what you could do that would be fair. Maybe give each team a shot from the other 20.

If it is changed it should go an entire 15 additional minutes. The problem with each team getting a shotis that the team going second gets a huge advantage because they know what they need to win/tie and can use fourth down accordingly. So the coin flip is still a huge factor.

SouthCarolinaBronco · 10-11-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

The way I see it is that coming up with a big stop in a pressure situation is part of the game. If your defense isn't any good, you don't deserve to have the rules amended to give you a better shot in OT.

Don't leave it up to a coin toss, have a capable defense.

Well sure, but the practical effect is this. If two teams are very, very defensive-oriented, then the coin toss is not likely to have an effect on the outcome. If two teams are very, very offensive-oriented, then the coin toss quite likely determines the outcome. It's that latter situation that I don't like, because I don't think something having nothing to do with playing the game on the field should affect the outcome of the game.

DeuceOfClub · 10-11-2009, 09:25 PM

Don't like it myself.
My idea: 1st team to score 8 points win.
(if no team scores 8 points after 15min, the team with the most points win)

ScottXray · 10-11-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthCarolinaBronco

Think about Denver-San Diego last year, the Ed Hochuli game. If that thing goes to overtime, the coin flip winner wins because of the coin flip. Neither of those defenses could stop the other team, it was a total track meet. That's not how NFL games should be decided.

You youngns need t think about what it was like before there was Overtime.

It used to be that the game ended in a TIE. 1/2 win 1/2 loss in the standings.

If your defense blows it and gives up the score on the first possession you lose. Stop the other team and your offense gets its chance.

Want the best chance...Don't lose the toss, and or don't give up a score and take the ball back.

What"s fair about saying ...Okay ...Now YOU get a chance?

You had it already and failed.

Stop the other team if you want to get that chance....it's SUDDEN DEATH!

SouthCarolinaBronco · 10-11-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottXray

You youngns need t think about what it was like before there was Overtime.

It used to be that the game ended in a TIE. 1/2 win 1/2 loss in the standings.

If your defense blows it and gives up the score on the first possession you lose. Stop the other team and your offense gets its chance.

Want the best chance...Don't lose the toss, and or don't give up a score and take the ball back.

What"s fair about saying ...Okay ...Now YOU get a chance?

You had it already and failed.

Stop the other team if you want to get that chance....it's SUDDEN DEATH!

From a statistical standpoint, none of the options people have been talking about--including the current system--is UNFAIR. Each team has an equal chance to win. If the rule was "At the end of the fourth quarter, a tie shall be decided by paper-rock-scissors," that would be FAIR, but it would also be LAME.

The problem is that in certain circumstances with certain teams, the coin toss outcome has an awful lot to do with the game outcome. Sports shouldn't come down to a coin flip.

Mr. Elway · 10-11-2009, 09:49 PM

2 words: Jump ball

Bronx33 · 10-11-2009, 09:50 PM

team owners fight to the death.

SouthCarolinaBronco · 10-11-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

team owners fight to the death.

If this was the rule, Raiders coaches would kneel down on 1st and goal from the 1 in a tie game with a minute left just in the hopes somebody would knock off Al Davis.

LongDongJohnson · 10-11-2009, 09:59 PM

do some xfl crap and put the ball at 50 and have two players race for it.

ward63 · 10-11-2009, 10:06 PM

Both get one position, but still kickoff.

Irish Stout · 10-11-2009, 10:12 PM

Used to hate it, but over time I have come to accept and actually like it.

The issue - the guys with the advantage need to only get to the 35 yard line to win the game with an FG.

However, look at how good the Ds are on good teams, they make stops all the time. Up until overtime, in one hour of football, we only scored 17 points. The Pats D did decently in stopping us and we missed a field goal. Winning the coin toss is huge, it gives you the upper hand, but your D needs to be ready to step in and make the stop because they know the rules too. I thought that our D was finally clicking in the 4th and I was confident even if we lost the toss that we would have the opportunity to get the ball back.

Broncobiv · 10-11-2009, 10:22 PM

I am so sick of this debate! Lose the coin toss? Want to win? Play some ****ing defense! Force a punt, pick off the ball, strip it for a fumble!

"Defense wins championships", right? So play some defense in OT instead of b****ing and moaning for a rule change! All-time, the percentage of teams winning the coin toss and then winning the game on the first possession is only about 30%. The team winning the coin toss and eventually winning the game is between 50 and 60% overall. Not too lopsided!

Defense is just as important as offense in the NFL (in fact, a lot of people would say it's more important). This debate gets so tiresome and old. The current system is the simplest method of determining a winner. No ridiculous rules like both teams get the ball, the ball is automatically placed on XX yard line, etc. 1) Kickoff 2) First team to score wins 3) Game over...simple!

Leave it the way it is!

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10-11-2009, 09:08 PM	#1
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Let's Talk NFL Overtime Rules So here's my issue. What I noticed today was that the second loudest cheer in my house was when we won the coin toss to start OT. (The loudest was obviously the GW FG.) But should it be like that? Should games and lives hinge on a coin flip? I know that on one side, you could easily say the Pats (or any team that loses the coin toss) have every opportunity to play good, hard defense. But let's be real. Most teams that win the flip win the game. Do you feel there should be a change?

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10-11-2009, 09:09 PM	#2
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Leave it as it is. It doesn't come down to a coin flip, it comes down to whether or not you can stop the opposition. If your defense can't stop them, you deserve to lose.

10-11-2009, 09:12 PM	#4
Orange4Life Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: SkiUtah Posts: 2,243	I hate the college/HS format. I think the NFL format is great. Sudden death creates incredible drama. If you can't get a stop you deserve to lose.

10-11-2009, 09:12 PM	#5
SouthCarolinaBronco Seasoned Veteran Dixieland Denver Fan Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 286 Adopt-a-Bronco: Josh McDaniels	Either one full 15 minute quarter or use the college system but start from the 40. The system is "fair" in that the outcome of the coin flip is random and you are just as likely to benefit as you are to lose. But games should be decided on the field, and the coin toss gives too much of an advantage to the winner unless the teams involved are very defense oriented.

10-11-2009, 09:13 PM	#6
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	I hate it. But I also hate the college version. I don't know what you could do that would be fair. Maybe give each team a shot from the other 20.

10-11-2009, 09:14 PM	#8
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,049	I hate the college version of OT added with the BCS so much I don't even really follow college ball...

10-11-2009, 09:14 PM	#9
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	I usually hate the overtime rules, but today I love em.

10-11-2009, 09:17 PM	#11
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	While I feel that it's the defense's job to get the ball back. I really wouldn't mind just playing the extra quarter and see what happens.

10-11-2009, 09:21 PM	#13
Fedaykin Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,791 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	an interesting change to preserve the "sudden death" concept would be make the overtime one posession. If the team with posession scores, they win the game. If they don't score, the defenders win.

10-11-2009, 09:25 PM	#16
DeuceOfClub ™ 'Tebow Effect' in full effect Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indian Rocks Beach Posts: 1,115 Adopt-a-Bronco: Aaron Brewer	Don't like it myself. My idea: 1st team to score 8 points win. (if no team scores 8 points after 15min, the team with the most points win)

10-11-2009, 09:49 PM	#19
Mr. Elway cakn patna Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 951	2 words: Jump ball

10-11-2009, 09:50 PM	#20
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	team owners fight to the death.

10-11-2009, 09:59 PM	#22
LongDongJohnson Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,626 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	do some xfl crap and put the ball at 50 and have two players race for it.

10-11-2009, 10:06 PM	#23
ward63 The Burner Returner Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,160 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quincy Morgan	Both get one position, but still kickoff.

10-11-2009, 10:12 PM	#24
Irish Stout Ring of Famer Run for it Marty! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,802 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	Used to hate it, but over time I have come to accept and actually like it. The issue - the guys with the advantage need to only get to the 35 yard line to win the game with an FG. However, look at how good the Ds are on good teams, they make stops all the time. Up until overtime, in one hour of football, we only scored 17 points. The Pats D did decently in stopping us and we missed a field goal. Winning the coin toss is huge, it gives you the upper hand, but your D needs to be ready to step in and make the stop because they know the rules too. I thought that our D was finally clicking in the 4th and I was confident even if we lost the toss that we would have the opportunity to get the ball back.

10-11-2009, 10:22 PM	#25
Broncobiv Tee many martoonis Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,264	I am so sick of this debate! Lose the coin toss? Want to win? Play some ing defense! Force a punt, pick off the ball, strip it for a fumble! "Defense wins championships", right? So play some defense in OT instead of b**ing and moaning for a rule change! All-time, the percentage of teams winning the coin toss and then winning the game on the first possession is only about 30%. The team winning the coin toss and eventually winning the game is between 50 and 60% overall. Not too lopsided! Defense is just as important as offense in the NFL (in fact, a lot of people would say it's more important). This debate gets so tiresome and old. The current system is the simplest method of determining a winner.** No ridiculous rules like both teams get the ball, the ball is automatically placed on XX yard line, etc. 1) Kickoff 2) First team to score wins 3) Game over...simple! Leave it the way it is!