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Old 10-08-2009, 02:02 PM   #1
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Posted by ESPN.comís Bill (Burger) Williamson

Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton will forever be connected since they were traded for one another. Denver also received two first-round picks in the huge April deal with Chicago.



But they are linked for a different reason after the first four games of the season. Their statistics are very similar. Orton is the No. 14-ranked quarterback in the NFL. Cutler is the 15th-ranked quarterback.

Itís strange because the two are completely different quarterbacks. Cutler lets loose and is a gunslinger, while Orton is more of a game manager.

Yet, the bottom line is production and the two are helping their teams win. Denver is 4-0 and Chicago is 3-1.

There is still a long way to go before this trade can be fully analyzed. But considering the close numbers, Denverís 4-0 start and that the Broncos got two first-rounders in the deal, Denver gets the early edge.
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:03 PM   #2
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Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton will forever be connected since they were traded for one another. Denver also received two first-round picks in the huge April deal with Chicago.



But they are linked for a different reason after the first four games of the season. Their statistics are very similar. Orton is the No. 14-ranked quarterback in the NFL. Cutler is the 15th-ranked quarterback.

Itís strange because the two are completely different quarterbacks. Cutler lets loose and is a gunslinger, while Orton is more of a game manager.

Yet, the bottom line is production and the two are helping their teams win. Denver is 4-0 and Chicago is 3-1.

There is still a long way to go before this trade can be fully analyzed. But considering the close numbers, Denverís 4-0 start and that the Broncos got two first-rounders in the deal, Denver gets the early edge.
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But but but Orton benefitted from Stokely's miracle and Brandon's awesomeness.

All kidding aside, the only stat on that sheet I care about is the big fat 0 in the interception column.
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But but but Orton benefitted from Stokely's miracle and Brandon's awesomeness.

All kidding aside, the only stat on that sheet I care about is the big fat 0 in the interception column.
the other 0 i care about is in the loss column
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I'd like to see the Comp % for Orton higher. But still I'm happy with his play thus far.
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Yea, but dude, like... if Cutler was our QB right now, we'd be like 10-0.
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I'd like to see the Comp % for Orton higher. But still I'm happy with his play thus far.
I think this is really an interesting point to look at. Certainly Orton has thrown some off-target balls, but some of this can be attributed to the fact that Orton tends to throw it away rather than into coverage, and Cutler vice versa.

Cutler is more accurate than Orton, this we know. But all other things being equal, a gunslinger will probably have more INTs and a higher completion % than a caretaker.
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I'd like to see the Comp % for Orton higher. But still I'm happy with his play thus far.
I suspect it will go up as his comfort with the offense goes up and the receivers get more comfortable in recognizing their routes based on teh defense.

vs Dallas: 69%
vs Oakland: 56%
vs Cleveland: 51%
vs Cincy: 61%

I think we will probably see his end of year % somewhere around the 62-66% which is more than acceptable.
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INTs is the bigest, if Broncos had 5 INTs we would be 2-2 maybe 1-3
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INTs is the bigest, if Broncos had 5 INTs we would be 2-2 maybe 1-3
I agree, even given the 3 more TDs Cutler has thrown, 5 ints and this team would be in trouble.
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I'm happy with Orton and expect improvement after the throwing hand fully heals and the glove is removed. Also when the offense can cut down on the penalties they should be more efficient and productive.
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Jay has the edge in completion percentage, but Orton has thrown away about 12-15 of those incompletions. I'm sure if he really tried to make a play on those 12-15 balls his completion % would be higher. So would his INT number though.

I'll take Orton's TD-INT numbers over Cutler's all day long.
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Jay has the edge in completion percentage, but Orton has thrown away about 12-15 of those incompletions. I'm sure if he really tried to make a play on those 12-15 balls his completion % would be higher. So would his INT number though.

I'll take Orton's TD-INT numbers over Cutler's all day long.
Especially in the redzone! How many times has Cutler thrown a pick in the redzone in early downs?

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I suspect it will go up as his comfort with the offense goes up and the receivers get more comfortable in recognizing their routes based on teh defense.

vs Dallas: 69%
vs Oakland: 56%
vs Cleveland: 51%
vs Cincy: 61%

I think we will probably see his end of year % somewhere around the 62-66% which is more than acceptable.
Exactly....if he had completed a mere 6 more passes to date (1.5/game), he'd be at 64%.

No injury / no glove and he'd already be there.
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a gunslinger will probably have more INTs and a higher completion % than a caretaker.
Higher INTS but usually better completion rate if they are also decent QBs, because they don't attempt difficult throws. You are giving way too much statically significance to his throwing the ball away, it is not anywhere as frequent as his missed passes. That being said, I'm happy with his play (other than the first game, which he still won).
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INTs is the bigest, if Broncos had 5 INTs we would be 2-2 maybe 1-3
3 of the Interceptions happened in the first half of the first game, and a fourth one in the last play of that game when the rookie WR quit on a route. That being said, he brought the team back that game and gave them the lead. Another point is he was under attack that whole game, which would not have been the case here. It is highly unlikely Denver would have lost any games, especially when he does not have a history of losing games when the D is allowing less the 10 points.
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Jay has the edge in completion percentage, but Orton has thrown away about 12-15 of those incompletions.
What date are you basing that on? Statistics are made up on the spot 92.7% of the time. From the games I have watch that number is WAY too high. His numbers are what they are because of inaccuracy. However, he is wearing a glove. Despite Orton's history of completing less than 60% of his throws, I have little doubt that will be the case with McD's offense. It is too well designed to protect the QB statistically (although that is not its goal).
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Jay Cutler believes he could put the ball thru a mail slot....and that leads to INT's. Orton knows he can't...and that leads to a big fat 0 under INT.

I know alot of here might disagree, but this could be one of those trades like the Bailey-Portis trade where both teams benefit from it. We need to go .500 the rest of the way to have a decent shot at the playoffs at 10-6.
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I think someone hit the nail on the head this summer when they said that you can expect Cutler's production to drop off slightly and Orton's to increase slightly... thus bringing their numbers/production close.

On another note, anyone see Cutler #5 on Mike Sando's MVP race? (link: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post...os-mvp-watch-3) Is it just me, or is this a little crazy?
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I find it really interesting that since Cutler has started playing more Orton-like, the Bears are 3-0.

They traded for a gunslinger, and he was in game one. He's been a bus driver ever since.
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I agree, even given the 3 more TDs Cutler has thrown, 5 ints and this team would be in trouble.
Yeah especially since our receivers, backs, and oline are roughly equal to theirs.

I'm sure things like sacks and 3rd down conversions etc would be roughly the same even if you reversed them!!
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Their completions marks are 5% off. There's nothing close about that.
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Their completions marks are 5% off. There's nothing close about that.
I don't see Cutler throwing with a glove on
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I'll take 5% less passes completed and 5 less INTs, thank you very much.
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I'll take 5% less passes completed and 5 less INTs, thank you very much.
Especially given that that 5% we are speaking of id only 6 completions TOTAL at this point.
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Yea, but dude, like... if Cutler was our QB right now, we'd be like 10-0.
I am glad Cutler is with the Bears. I hope he does well there.

I am thrilled the Orton turned out to be Jake Plummer with a brain. Let him dink and dunk all day. If Orton gets a 10% improvement on completions he gets into the top 10 QB race.

I wish during the off season fans would take their medication.

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