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Old 10-05-2009, 07:36 AM   #1
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3. Feel-good story of the year? Denver. I'm looking at notes from a couple of interviews I did with Josh McDaniels -- one on the weekend the Jay Cutler story was blowing up in March, then next from training camp seven weeks ago today. "If we win, none of this will matter, and if we lose, then we blew it,'' he said in March. Five months later, he said, "We just need to start playing games. Whoever's on your team, all that matters is winning or losing.'' I guarantee you that's the vibe he sent to his team.

Whether Denver's a championship team or not -- and allowing an insane 6.5 points per game through four weeks suggests they'll battle San Diego for the AFC West title -- there's one thing you have to love about the Broncos: They've got a Patriot way (what a coincidence!) of tuning out the outside crappola and focusing on the only thing that matters -- the next play. They tuned out the Jay Cutler thing. They tuned out the Brandon Marshall distraction. That's not easy in an NFL-crazy market like Denver, but McDaniels did it. "DO YOUR JOB'' is the gigantic wall art in the Broncos' team meeting room, something McDaniels brought with him from New England and his mentor, Bill Belichick. And it's what his players are doing.

Now let's do a mini-analysis of the biggest decision of the off-season, Denver dealing Cutler for two first-rounders and Kyle Orton. It reminds me of the Patriots dealing Drew Bledsoe in 2002 and handing the quarterback job long-term to Tom Brady. Bledsoe, the independent-thinking mad bomber; Brady, the caretaker who'll follow the gameplan to a T. Just substitute Cutler for Bledsoe and Kyle Orton for Brady and you've got McDaniels' line of thinking. Now, I'm not saying (and McDaniels wouldn't either) that Orton's going to morph into Brady, but the amount of negative plays at the quarterback position has been exactly what McDaniels has preached: zero interceptions, zero lost fumbles, six sacks. If Orton continues on his present pace -- 3,624 passing yards, 20 touchdowns, 59 percent passing (that should be a tick better) -- the Broncos will be playing in January.
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5. Denver (4-0). I still don't know how good the Broncos are. But they're this high for this reason: 26 points allowed in four games, by far the lowest in the league. That's a touch less per game than any team in football. Amazing. Totally unexpected. Josh McDaniels for governor. Mike Nolan for mayor. Elvis Dumervil for ... well, whatever he wants.
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Brandon Marshall, WR, Denver

There's a reason the Broncos have put up with so much guff regarding Marshall, and that reason was abundantly clear with 1:46 left in a tense 10-10 tie with Dallas at Invesco. Kyle Orton hit him in tight coverage by Dallas cornerback Terence Newman, and Marshall weaved the last 30 yards through five Cowboys to score the game-winner.
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Champ Bailey, CB, Denver

Money players like Bailey do what he did in the final 30 seconds of the aforementioned tight game with Dallas. On third-and-goal from the Denver 2, Tony Romo threw a slant in the end zone to Sam Hurd; Bailey knocked it away. On fourth-and-goal from the Denver 2, Romo threw another slant to Hurd in the end zone; Bailey reached around him to knock it away. For the game, Bailey was back to his old wily self, with eight solo tackles and four passes broken up. For those who thought Bailey was in decline, think again..
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Don't trade Jay Cutler, McDaniels was told. Kyle Orton can't play, McDaniels was told. You'll never win in Denver with a popgun offense, McDaniels was told. Brandon Marshall's too much of a distraction and you should dump him, McDaniels was told. Here's what no one told McDaniels: You'll be 4-0 after the first month of the season.
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e. I'm also serious when I say: You can't stop Elvis Dumervil; you can only hope to contain him.

b. Denver punter Brett Kern was a field-position guru against Dallas, with four punts from Denver territory averaging 55.3 yards.
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Old 10-05-2009, 07:41 AM   #2
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The McDaniels' bashers are having a disappointing season so far.
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:10 AM   #3
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Really? Because I'm pretty ecstatic.
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:18 AM   #4
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Really? Because I'm pretty ecstatic.
Really, your happy? Are you sure? Must be all the crow you're eating. Must be Chocolote Creme, Banana Fudge, Caramel Swirl Fat Phuggin Crow Pie that your munching on.

Yummy!
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:38 AM   #5
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Really, your happy? Are you sure? Must be all the crow you're eating. Must be Chocolote Creme, Banana Fudge, Caramel Swirl Fat Phuggin Crow Pie that your munching on.

Yummy!
I'll have some too. And yes, enjoying it greatly, as I always said I would if I was wrong. I couldn't be happier to tell you the honest truth.
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:50 AM   #6
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Really, your happy? Are you sure? Must be all the crow you're eating. Must be Chocolote Creme, Banana Fudge, Caramel Swirl Fat Phuggin Crow Pie that your munching on.

Yummy!
What Bronco fan wouldn't be happy with a 4-0 record? It doesn't matter who was right or wrong... Denver is winning! The offseason did look kind of bleak.
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:04 AM   #7
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Eating crow here too - never thought it would taste so good!

I know most of us had hoped all along we where wrong, but I just couldn't see it. Still think Orton has a ways to go, but with this defense, I think he has time to figure it all out.
I do think his arm is strong enough, he made some throws yesterday - but he often errs on the safe side. If the defender is short, he overthrows, and if he is deep, he underthrows. Hopefully it will work itself out.

And he's a lucky sumb**** too - that throw to Knowshon scared the crap outta me. But sometimes its better to be lucky than good!
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:55 AM   #8
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I like the average that Kern has on his punts. Field position was a huge problem with us last year (and the years before that, for that matter). But Kern has done nicely so far.

And how many of you weren't surtprised that Prater sent the ball through the uprights on his last kickoff. There was so much adrenaline after Marshall's TD, he killed that ball!!
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:19 AM   #9
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Orton is no Tom Brady.

I love the guy, but Tom Brady is a QB for the ages. It's still to put those kinds of comparisons to Kyle.

What he is... is a guy that can take care of the ball and make smart decisions to help us win games. He's got a knack for making key plays at key times, and a lot of stuff that's just never going to show up on paper.

I think when he loses that glove and continues to gain confidence in this offense, he's going to get even better. I also think our receivers are still picking it up. Eddie Royal looks covered... all the time. Something is just not right with him, yet. (For example.)

I have faith in Orton and McD to execute a game-plan that gives us a chance to win. But, it all comes down to running the ball and playing defense. That's playoff-style football and finally... it appears we're returning to that style of play....

and I love it.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:20 AM   #10
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I'm not truly celebrating unless I see us 5-1 or 6-0 heading into the bye, even if I'm happy we're 4-0. (I'll take a NE loss if it means a SD win).

Our offense need's to get it's damn act together... particularly in the passing game. Royal needs to be our Welker, and Marshall our Moss... and Scheffler needs to be owning them on play action.
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I'm very happy with the results of the trade, at 4-0 who wouldn't be. But in adition to Orton not being Brady, Cutler is IMO better than Bledsoe. Bledsoe was good, but Cutler's mobility adds another dimension. That lack of mobility was what led to Bledsoes eventual downfall in Dallas. If the tradeoff for Cutler was this team mentality allowing our D to be who they have become I will gladly take it, but it is not nearly as cut and dry as the Bledsoe vs Brady situation.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:35 AM   #12
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We haven't even seen Orton at even close to his best. I really do think that finger injury is far worse than we've thought. Watching his throws from last year, compared to now is like night and day.
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I'm very happy with the results of the trade, at 4-0 who wouldn't be. But in adition to Orton not being Brady, Cutler is IMO better than Bledsoe. Bledsoe was good, but Cutler's mobility adds another dimension. That lack of mobility was what led to Bledsoes eventual downfall in Dallas. If the tradeoff for Cutler was this team mentality allowing our D to be who they have become I will gladly take it, but it is not nearly as cut and dry as the Bledsoe vs Brady situation.
The scores on the trade wont be in for a long time...several years maybe.
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I'm not truly celebrating unless I see us 5-1 or 6-0 heading into the bye, even if I'm happy we're 4-0. (I'll take a NE loss if it means a SD win).

Our offense need's to get it's damn act together... particularly in the passing game. Royal needs to be our Welker, and Marshall our Moss... and Scheffler needs to be owning them on play action.
I hate to agree with a negative comment on such a positive day. But hope is now fully alive, so now to really compete with the big boys, our offense needs to get in sync. All the pieces are there, we just need to get it going. Hopefully that starts this week.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:39 AM   #15
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Yeah I would be the first one to say that I WAS WRONG ABOUT MCDANIELS, but to even compare Kyle Orton to tom brady is insane.. Maybe a Brian Griese before shanny gave him a contract, but Tom Brady c'mon man no way no how...
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:45 AM   #16
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The good thing about bashing your team's decisions is that if you're right, you get that small pleasure. If you're wrong, WHO CARES BECAUSE YOU'RE ****ING 4-0!

WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meanwhile, it's funny to see Peter King trying to hop on the bandwagon here.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:08 PM   #17
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It's an incredibly poor analogy (both QB are far different from the QBs they are being compared to), but I can also see PK's point. However, I don't think McD has anything to do with NEs offense when that took place, much less the decision making process. Plus Brady even then was a better QB than Bledsoe (look at NE's record before Bledsoe got hurt and after). Conversely, KO in Chicago probably is at best 1-3 with the team they have now (and their lack of running game), whereas Cutler would very likely be 4-0 here. But who cares, if we can do without Cutler, all the better, that is a boatload of money that can be used elsewhere.
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I'm very happy with the results of the trade, at 4-0 who wouldn't be. But in adition to Orton not being Brady, Cutler is IMO better than Bledsoe. Bledsoe was good, but Cutler's mobility adds another dimension. That lack of mobility was what led to Bledsoes eventual downfall in Dallas. If the tradeoff for Cutler was this team mentality allowing our D to be who they have become I will gladly take it, but it is not nearly as cut and dry as the Bledsoe vs Brady situation.
It's a terrible analogy. Peter King just needed to work his beloved Brady into the sentence somehow.
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I'm impressed with how well McD has prepared the team each week, and I love our halftime adjustments, they have really gone up a notch from years gone by. The last few years, I felt our halftime adjustments were pretty bad, overall.

I'm still not impressed with Orton. I AM happy he is not tossing a lot of ints (well none.. should have had one yesterday, but we lucked out), but he is also missing wide open receivers, over throwing, under throwing, and in general, being pretty average.

The day our defense is not getting it done, and they play to stop our running game.. can we win on Orton's arm? I don't see how, still.
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Meh. It's a comparison like that that totally undercuts King's acumen as an analyst altogether. He's a fine writer, and let's hope he got carried away--and was trying to compare situations and not directly the players. Say, if he was making a claim about Josh's ideology and decision-making rather than a prognosis about how good Orton can be I'm alright with it. But on its face, the comparison is pretty silly and loose.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:17 PM   #21
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Really? Because I'm pretty ecstatic.
No kidding! How could anyone not enjoy what is going on right now?
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I'm not truly celebrating unless I see us 5-1 or 6-0 heading into the bye, even if I'm happy we're 4-0. (I'll take a NE loss if it means a SD win).

Our offense need's to get it's damn act together... particularly in the passing game. Royal needs to be our Welker, and Marshall our Moss... and Scheffler needs to be owning them on play action.

Speaking of Scheffler, he quietly had a decent game yesterday catching some off target passes that most te's couldnt catch. I agree the way we were running the ball, sometimes not enough, it should of set up well for play action .
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I think Kyle will continue to improve in this offense and once he loses the glove and the hand has healed he should look much sharper. My concern is with all the penalties throughout the offense making it difficult for Kyle to get into any kind of "groove".

Our drive starting field position was horrible, again. But, we managed to get ourselves out of harms way through special, defensive and offensive team play. Good team win.
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