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Old 09-28-2009, 08:39 AM   #1
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Default What is Orton worth on the FA market?

Next year will be interesting. We have many unrestricted FA's (if there is a CB agreement). If not, we seem to be ok. I still think Orton is a FA with or without an agreement. Is he worth more to us than any other team (if he still keeps playing mistake free)?

Also, what about the rest of the FA's? Without a CB agreement all the 4 year players (Doom, BM, Kuper) will not be unrestricted. Do we sign one of them now to a long term contract? Just curious what everyone's thoughts are. I think Doom and BM are a must. By the end of the season I can see BM making huge plays every game.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:06 AM   #2
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I think by the break we will start signing the players we want to keep. I'm guessing we extend Kyle and Doom first.
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If (1) Orton keeps playing mistake-free football for the most part and (2) there's no one in the draft that McDaniels loves at the QB position, then they'll most likely extend Orton at end of year or at least give him the high tender which would put his value at a 1st and a 3rd to steal him away. He's in the same situation as the other RFAs you listed, essentially.

Doom's price is seemingly going up on a weekly basis. I'd be SHOCKED if we don't hear anything about an extension in the next few weeks. Kuper and BMarsh will probably be extended at the end of the year assuming health and off the field issues are all cleared up, respectively.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:07 AM   #4
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A burrito and a bag of chips.

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He's probably worth a 7th round draft pick.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:08 AM   #5
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I think by the break we will start signing the players we want to keep. I'm guessing we extend Kyle and Doom first.

4yr 20mill for Orton at Most
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:35 AM   #6
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Something slightly bigger than what guys like Patrick Ramsey got and Simms got when they signed with us, 2 years at 11 mill or 4 years at 18. Nothing that breaks the bank but something with enough guaranteed to make it worth his while.

The caveat is that if he gets us to the playoffs and wins you can add another years and 8 million per playoff win.
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I think Orton likes it here, and he likes playing for McD. If he continues to play well, he should certainly receive a four year deal as a starting NFL QB.

Way too early to speculate here, let's see how this season progresses.

Also - I bet we hit the right numbers to keep Elvis. He will get paid, but it's not going to be Haynesworth money or any crap like that.
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4yr 20mill for Orton at Most
I think we will have to double that to keep him (4 yrs @ 35-40 million). Maybe a five year 40 million contract , but 5 years seems like a long time.
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You guys are all drinking the kool-aid. He's a game manager. Any team with a QB need isn't likely looking for someone who can manage games, they are looking for a QB who can be expected to shoulder a load of getting the ball downfield.
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You guys are all drinking the kool-aid. He's a game manager. Any team with a QB need isn't likely looking for someone who can manage games, they are looking for a QB who can be expected to shoulder a load of getting the ball downfield.
He will find a home either as a top backup or with a team with a new coach looking for a QB who can take care of his club for a year or two until he can get a top rookie.

Just like Simms did, just like Ramsey did, just like Griese, just like Jeff Garcia.
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You guys are all drinking the kool-aid. He's a game manager. Any team with a QB need isn't likely looking for someone who can manage games, they are looking for a QB who can be expected to shoulder a load of getting the ball downfield.
Good plan and how many of those type QBs are around, you have the whole planet to choose from so how many exactly?
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He will find a home either as a top backup or with a team with a new coach looking for a QB who can take care of his club for a year or two until he can get a top rookie.

Just like Simms did, just like Ramsey did, just like Griese, just like Jeff Garcia.
Okay, good. We agree. Phew. For a second there I thought this thread was going to annoint Kyle Orton as Chuck Norris in a Broncos jersey.
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You guys are all drinking the kool-aid. He's a game manager. Any team with a QB need isn't likely looking for someone who can manage games, they are looking for a QB who can be expected to shoulder a load of getting the ball downfield.
You are going to see his status and his value rise with each game he plays.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:25 AM   #15
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I think we will have to double that to keep him (4 yrs @ 35-40 million). Maybe a five year 40 million contract , but 5 years seems like a long time.
10 mil a year puts him in the elite QBs category.
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Josh developed Cassel and he will develop Kyle Orton.
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If at all we extend orton it better be a 3 year deal around 14-15 mill. And Mcd will be drafting a QB in the 3rd or 4th round next year.

But we need to sign kuper and DM first and then see what BM comes up with, If he throws another drama or has a domestic violence before end of season it is curtains for him. But i wouldn't extend him before week 13-14.
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Good plan and how many of those type QBs are around, you have the whole planet to choose from so how many exactly?
Jeff Garcia
John Kitna
Chad Pennington
Patrick Ramsey
Daunte Culpepper


All will be available FA's and all are better than Orton. For gods sake I'm sure Simms and Brandstater could do the job Orton is being asked to do.
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You are going to see his status and his value rise with each game he plays.
Like Kerry Collins last year, right?
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10 mil a year puts him in the elite QBs category.
What is the going rate for a starting QB these days? Isn't 8-10 million a low number for a veteran. By the way, I love the Chuck Norris comment by "The Pirate". It brings all back to reality. We are taking about Kyle Orton.
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Jeff Garcia
John Kitna
Chad Pennington
Patrick Ramsey
Daunte Culpepper


All will be available FA's and all are better than Orton. For gods sake I'm sure Simms and Brandstater could do the job Orton is being asked to do.
Patrick Ramsey ahahaha aahhahahahah
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Jeff Garcia
John Kitna
Chad Pennington
Patrick Ramsey
Daunte Culpepper


All will be available FA's and all are better than Orton. For gods sake I'm sure Simms and Brandstater could do the job Orton is being asked to do.
Jeff Garcia.... cut from the Raiders who have the worse starting QB in the history of football.

John Kitna... is he eligible for Social Security yet.


Chad Pennington maybe but Orton will be a better choice before long

Patrick Ramsey... is this a typo?


Daunte Culpepper... not a good fit in Josh's system
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Garcia is the only one on that list I would even think about being a decent option...as a backup

Kitna?

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4 years $24million.
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