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Old 09-23-2009, 11:40 AM   #1
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"I think we should have kept the team from '05 intact and try to make a run for the Super Bowl instead of trying to reorganize and go in a different direction," Warren said in a teleconference with Colorado reporters Wednesday. "We had the formula and the chemistry together in the locker room to maybe succeed and win two or three championships. But Mike wasn't going in that direction and it kind of threw a lot of guys' lives off course."

"Mike," of course, if former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. Warren said he thought Shanahan's biggest mistake was breaking up the team that came so close to making the Super Bowl.

I think players stopped playing for Mike once he ran Plummer off with the Cutler pick. That locker room LOVED Plummer, and never really took to Cutler's selfish, pouty, non-team oriented demeanor.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:45 AM   #2
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Probably the smartest thing out of his mouth.
He forgot the character of the players Shanny picked up. Including work ethic.
Speaking of giving it all, is Gerard a back up or 3rd string?
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I think Plummer still had a couple good years in that offense... He's probably happier playing handball.
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Gerrard is starting for the Raiders and playing pretty well.
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Gerard is a starter i think
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"I think we should have kept the team from '05 intact and try to make a run for the Super Bowl instead of trying to reorganize and go in a different direction," Warren said in a teleconference with Colorado reporters Wednesday. "We had the formula and the chemistry together in the locker room to maybe succeed and win two or three championships. But Mike wasn't going in that direction and it kind of threw a lot of guys' lives off course."

"Mike," of course, if former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. Warren said he thought Shanahan's biggest mistake was breaking up the team that came so close to making the Super Bowl.



I think players stopped playing for Mike once he ran Plummer off with the Cutler pick. That locker room LOVED Plummer, and never really took to Cutler's selfish, pouty, non-team oriented demeanor.

You could see this played out on the field.
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Never should have put Jay in that season.
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Never should have put Jay in that season.
at the time i wanted him in, in hindsight however, no he should have never went in.
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"I think we should have kept the team from '05 intact and try to make a run for the Super Bowl instead of trying to reorganize and go in a different direction," Warren said in a teleconference with Colorado reporters Wednesday. "We had the formula and the chemistry together in the locker room to maybe succeed and win two or three championships. But Mike wasn't going in that direction and it kind of threw a lot of guys' lives off course."

"Mike," of course, if former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. Warren said he thought Shanahan's biggest mistake was breaking up the team that came so close to making the Super Bowl.

I think players stopped playing for Mike once he ran Plummer off with the Cutler pick. That locker room LOVED Plummer, and never really took to Cutler's selfish, pouty, non-team oriented demeanor.
Dude ... Warren didn't say the stuff in bold, you did.

Try to remember to separate your own opinions please
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Mike's time was due. He lost focus and started making assinine decisions. Kudos to Bowlen for cutting the cord.
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Besides, Champ Bailey disagrees with your opinion there ... although Nate Jackson apparently agrees.

I'm gonna go ahead and trust Champ
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Dude ... Warren didn't say the stuff in bold, you did.

Try to remember to separate your own opinions please
right, and it's not in quotes. Sorry you were so easily led astray.
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Besides, Champ Bailey disagrees with your opinion there ... although Nate Jackson apparently agrees.

I'm gonna go ahead and trust Champ
Haven't seen a link or a quote to state that. Is that just your opinion that Champ differs from my take, or is it fact?

Please post if you have something substantial.
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right, and it's not in quotes. Sorry you were so easily led astray.
Well, Edward R. Murrow, there is text in your post - outside quote marks - that was included in the tweet. So I was "led astray" only briefly, and only by your SHODDY REPORTING!
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Haven't seen a link or a quote to state that. Is that just your opinion that Champ differs from my take, or is it fact?

Please post if you have something substantial.
Champ said Cutler reminded him of Elway or Marino, that he was a good leader, and that he will miss him.

Can't believe you don't remember that .... maybe try Ginkgo
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So if it was the reporter's opinion, you wouldn't have a problem, but since it's mine, it's SHODDY REPORTING.

Got it. Thank you for clarifying.

I never, ever, EVER claimed that the information not in quotes was attributable to Warren. Yet you thought it might be and took a stand.

Pretty much everyone else knew the difference between a message board opinion and the opinion of Gerard Warren. Quotes.
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Well, Edward R. Murrow, there is text in your post - outside quote marks - that was included in the tweet. So I was "led astray" only briefly, and only by your SHODDY REPORTING!
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Champ said Cutler reminded him of Elway or Marino, that he was a good leader, and that he will miss him.

Can't believe you don't remember that .... maybe try Ginkgo
Considering I will probably forget Warren's comments by tomorrow -- since frankly, remembering quotes from football players isn't exactly a priority for me -- no thanks on the Ginko.

Champ didn't play with Elway OR Marino.

And players say positive things about guys they can't stand all the time. It's called "playing nice."

Will you remember that?
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Well plummer fell apart at the start of that year. The defense fell apart as it took on injuries and never was the same once Wilson went down. If they all stopped playing while Plummer was in just because we picked Cutler, it is their fault Plummer got benched. Otherwise Plummer just sucked, as well as the rest of them, by then and needed to go. If competition scares him into playing horrible, he isn't much of an athlete. Those of you saying it was a mistake to bench Plummer did not watch that season.

Plus, Warren is just upset that he had to go to the raiders.
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Champ said Cutler reminded him of Elway or Marino, that he was a good leader, and that he will miss him.

Can't believe you don't remember that .... maybe try Ginkgo
For someone who claims to be as smart as you, you know a lawyer, I would think you understood a little more about politics.

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Anyone who does any sort of statistical analysis of Plummer during big games can see pretty clearly why Mike lost faith in the guy. It's unfortunate that Jake was such a choker in big games, but what is Mike going to do? He did what he could: draft someone to push Plummer. And how did Plummer respond? He retired mentally.

Nobody wanted Plummer as a starter anymore after that Chiefs game. This board, after that game, was in near universal agreement that Plummer had written his own ticket to the bench. Jake's performance didn't give Mike many options at that point in the season.

I would have liked to have seen Plummer win a Superbowl. In fact, I predicted it in 2004, and now we have the "I'm going to go ahead and call it," meme. What I learned about Plummer that season - and what Shanahan learned about Plummer in the Home AFC Championship Pittsburgh game - and what everybody else learned about Plummer during that primetime Thanksgiving night game against KC is that when you count on Plummer to control the ball and play smart during a big game, he will let you down. That's his record.

Plummer may have been a well liked guy, but being well liked doesn't win big games.

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Anyone who does any sort of statistical analysis of Plummer during big games can see pretty clearly why Mike lost faith in the guy. It's unfortunate that Jake was such a choker in big games, but what is Mike going to do? He did what he could: draft someone to push Plummer. And how did Plummer respond? He retired mentally.

Nobody wanted Plummer as a starter anymore after that Chiefs game. This board, after that game, was in near universal agreement that Plummer had written his own ticket to the bench.

I would have liked to have seen Plummer win a Superbowl. In fact, I predicted it in 2004, and now we have the "I'm going to go ahead and call it now," meme. What I learned about Plummer that season - and what Shanahan learned about Plummer in the Pittsburgh game - and what everybody else learned about Plummer during that primetime Thanksgiving night game against KC is that when you count on Plummer to control the ball and play smart during a big game, he will let you down. That's his record.

Plummer may have been a well liked guy, but being well liked doesn't win big games.
Not like he was surrounded with all world talent. Handing the ball of to Mike Anderson or even Griffen and throwing to the claw and Ashley I only catch the deep ball Lelie didn't make his job any easier.
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Not like he was surrounded with all world talent. Handing the ball of to Mike Anderson or even Griffen and throwing to the claw and Ashley I only catch the deep ball Lelie didn't make his job any easier.
Javon Walker and Rod Smith weren't good enough?
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Not like he was surrounded with all world talent. Handing the ball of to Mike Anderson or even Griffen and throwing to the claw and Ashley I only catch the deep ball Lelie didn't make his job any easier.

Of course. It's everyone elses fault that Plummer made bad decisions in big games. If only we had replaced everyone else and kept Plummer, Shanahan might still be coaching us.
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