Could Raiders run the wildcat against us? - The Orange Mane

cutthemdown · 09-22-2009, 09:07 PM

You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.

Lev Vyvanse · 09-22-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.

Russell might do more damage lined up wide and blocking. Luckily after two plays he would be so gassed he'd have to sit out the rest of the half.

TheDave · 09-22-2009, 09:21 PM

The raiders have been picking physical freaks in the top of the draft for over a decade... If they ever got their **** together they could run anything they wanted too.

Lets all hope for another season of them not having their **** together.

Dr. Broncenstein · 09-22-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.

McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...

Mr. Elway · 09-22-2009, 09:55 PM

If they do, chances are they will **** it up.

BroncoMan4ever · 09-22-2009, 10:22 PM

Bush is the back that worries me most in regards to what the Raiders can throw at us.
he is big, powerful and has decent speed.

cutthemdown · 09-22-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...

So then you sort of see that possibility like me?

I think Raiders could run a good Wildcat with Bush as the bruiser, Mcfadden as the speed.

Spider · 09-22-2009, 10:33 PM

the bruiser not so much worried about , it is the scat back , or speed that has me worried . I am just not sure we are that comfortable in the 3-4 to deal with a small fast back yet ......

Broncos4Life · 09-22-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

the bruiser not so much worried about , it is the scat back , or speed that has me worried . I am just not sure we are that comfortable in the 3-4 to deal with a small fast back yet ......

Right. Our D just handled two bruisers. You add a little more speed to that and I'm still not worried. What I'm worried about is the combo of runners they have. They can really mix it up on us with the running game.

Spider · 09-22-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncos4Life

Right. Our D just handled two bruisers. You add a little more speed to that and I'm still not worried. What I'm worried about is the combo of runners they have. They can really mix it up on us with the running game.

Yeah , I agree .........

ZONA · 09-22-2009, 11:07 PM

I imagine we will probably do the same thing on D that we have been doing. With the secondary we have and the lack of a true passing game from the Raiders, we will be putting 7 in the box all day long, with the occasion 8th person coming in on run blitz here and there.

Benson just got done shredding GB for like 150 yards but we shut him down completely.

I think Bush & McFadden will end up with some decent numbers but not enough to take over the game and make up for the lack of a good passing game from them.

I'm gonna say it's a close game but I think Orton continues to throw away passes when nothing is there while Jamarcus will force things and we'll get a pick or two from him.

Broncos 20
Raiders 16

Raider Bill · 09-23-2009, 04:58 AM

If I was Cable, I would run my 2 minute offense the entire game. Louis Murphy has been seaming DB's in both games.

Ugly Duck · 09-23-2009, 05:33 AM

Cable isn't a wildcat kinda guy. Simple man defense. Dumbed-down offense so his QB doesn't get confused.

cmhargrove · 09-23-2009, 05:57 AM

They also just lost Gallery for the season, so their interior O-line could be a little sketchy. I like Cooper Carlisle, but he was never a huge pile driver at Guard.

So, I think that if we can contain McFadden around the end, we will do fine. Hopefully, we can pull ahead early and Elvis gets to tee off again.

_Oro_ · 09-23-2009, 06:00 AM

With Gallery out we may see DJ come up the middle unblocked.

cmhargrove · 09-23-2009, 06:37 AM

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With Gallery out we may see DJ come up the middle unblocked.

I am a DJ supporter, and he is making another good transitiion for the fourth time in his short career, however - the dude needs to learn how to blitz. I'm sorry, but for all the "great athlete" talk, he just doesn't know how to split defenders and break through the line like a freight train. He always draws some contact and slows down.

I think he needs to go back to some of his RB skills, and practice driving through a tackle or something. He could be good for 1-2 sacks (or 3rd down stops) a game if he would just drop the hammer. Maybe someone needs to loan him a hammer first?

Orange_Beard · 09-23-2009, 06:39 AM

They will run the FAT CAT.

DeuceOfClub · 09-23-2009, 07:07 AM

McFadden is probably a better QB than JeFatAss.

Karenin · 09-23-2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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The modern version of the Wildcat was first used by the Kansas State University Wildcats with Michael Bishop as quarterback in 1997 and 1998 when they made a run at the top of the national rankings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

Seriously, why do you think they called it the "Wildcat?"

gyldenlove · 09-23-2009, 07:53 AM

The wild cat is dead in the NFL.

Mcfadden is fast, but running the wild cat against a defense with good lateral speed and solid contain OLBs is just suicidal. The NFL has caught on and found a way to stop the wild cat, I think almost every team in the league has a few defensive plays they run when they detect wild cat now.

We saw the same thing with the option play some years ago in Atlanta, Vick came out and ran the option and tore a few teams apart that way, the NFL adjusted and by midseason it was gone.

Dr. Broncenstein · 09-23-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Karenin

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

Seriously, why do you think they called it the "Wildcat?"

Karen

aside from your obvious obsession with me, you should preview the links used to support your argument. Especially when the first paragraph comletely owns you. Maybe consider that Bishop was a quarterback as well...

The point of the discussion was the potential of mcfadden running a wildcat variant. My point being that the modern variant -- the version employed by the dolphins for example -- was founded around mcfadden at Arkansas for reasons already stated... so of course he can operate in that capacity. Explain how that is wrong, and find a new hero while you're at it.

Beantown Bronco · 09-23-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

Benson just got done shredding GB for like 150 yards but we shut him down completely.

We certainly did much better than Green Bay, but 76 rushing yards and a TD to go along with 30 something receiving yards? I wouldn't exactly call that "shutting him down completely." Unless you think 1,200 rushing yards to go along with 16 TDs and 500 receiving yards for a full season are crappy numbers for a running back.

Beantown Bronco · 09-23-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove

The wild cat is dead in the NFL.

I know at least one person that missed the Miami/Indy game the other night.

Karenin · 09-23-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB.

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The modern version of the Wildcat was first used by the Kansas State University Wildcats with Michael Bishop as quarterback

Stick to what you do best, making wildly inaccurate predictions about how long players are going to be out with injuries. Maybe it's time to spend less time on message boards and more time studying human anatomy.

bronco militia · 09-23-2009, 09:12 AM

the raiders could have drafted Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, or Jay Cutler but instead waited for Jamarcus Russel.

sweet!

09-22-2009, 09:07 PM	#1
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,518	Could Raiders run the wildcat against us? You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment. I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games. Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that? If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.

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09-22-2009, 09:21 PM	#3
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	The raiders have been picking physical freaks in the top of the draft for over a decade... If they ever got their ** together they could run anything they wanted too. Lets all hope for another season of them not having their ** together.

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Mr. Elway cakn patna Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 951	If they do, chances are they will **** it up.

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BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,574 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	Bush is the back that worries me most in regards to what the Raiders can throw at us. he is big, powerful and has decent speed.

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Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	the bruiser not so much worried about , it is the scat back , or speed that has me worried . I am just not sure we are that comfortable in the 3-4 to deal with a small fast back yet ......

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ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	I imagine we will probably do the same thing on D that we have been doing. With the secondary we have and the lack of a true passing game from the Raiders, we will be putting 7 in the box all day long, with the occasion 8th person coming in on run blitz here and there. Benson just got done shredding GB for like 150 yards but we shut him down completely. I think Bush & McFadden will end up with some decent numbers but not enough to take over the game and make up for the lack of a good passing game from them. I'm gonna say it's a close game but I think Orton continues to throw away passes when nothing is there while Jamarcus will force things and we'll get a pick or two from him. Broncos 20 Raiders 16

09-23-2009, 05:33 AM	#13
Ugly Duck Proof: SD fans DO exist! RF Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,454	Cable isn't a wildcat kinda guy. Simple man defense. Dumbed-down offense so his QB doesn't get confused.

09-23-2009, 05:57 AM	#14
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	They also just lost Gallery for the season, so their interior O-line could be a little sketchy. I like Cooper Carlisle, but he was never a huge pile driver at Guard. So, I think that if we can contain McFadden around the end, we will do fine. Hopefully, we can pull ahead early and Elvis gets to tee off again.

09-23-2009, 06:00 AM	#15
_Oro_ Formerly known as Casson *Don't run that sht this way.** Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 1,199 Adopt-a-Bronco: - R. Ayers	With Gallery out we may see DJ come up the middle unblocked.

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Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	They will run the FAT CAT.

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DeuceOfClub ™ 'Tebow Effect' in full effect Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indian Rocks Beach Posts: 1,115 Adopt-a-Bronco: Aaron Brewer	McFadden is probably a better QB than JeFatAss.

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gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,036 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	The wild cat is dead in the NFL. Mcfadden is fast, but running the wild cat against a defense with good lateral speed and solid contain OLBs is just suicidal. The NFL has caught on and found a way to stop the wild cat, I think almost every team in the league has a few defensive plays they run when they detect wild cat now. We saw the same thing with the option play some years ago in Atlanta, Vick came out and ran the option and tore a few teams apart that way, the NFL adjusted and by midseason it was gone.

09-23-2009, 09:12 AM	#25
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	the raiders could have drafted Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, or Jay Cutler but instead waited for Jamarcus Russel. sweet!