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Old 09-22-2009, 09:07 PM   #1
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Default Could Raiders run the wildcat against us?

You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:19 PM   #2
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You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.
Russell might do more damage lined up wide and blocking. Luckily after two plays he would be so gassed he'd have to sit out the rest of the half.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:21 PM   #3
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The raiders have been picking physical freaks in the top of the draft for over a decade... If they ever got their **** together they could run anything they wanted too.

Lets all hope for another season of them not having their **** together.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:51 PM   #4
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You know they said Mcfadden a prototype for that. Bush would seem the good compliment.

I heard a few times in offseason they had a wildcat package. But we haven't seen it in any games.

Is there any chance Raiders try something sneaky like that?

If they aren't they should because Russell cant throw the football. Anything to change it up could be a smart move.
McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...
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If they do, chances are they will **** it up.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:22 PM   #6
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Bush is the back that worries me most in regards to what the Raiders can throw at us.
he is big, powerful and has decent speed.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:26 PM   #7
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McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...
So then you sort of see that possibility like me?

I think Raiders could run a good Wildcat with Bush as the bruiser, Mcfadden as the speed.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:33 PM   #8
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the bruiser not so much worried about , it is the scat back , or speed that has me worried . I am just not sure we are that comfortable in the 3-4 to deal with a small fast back yet ......
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the bruiser not so much worried about , it is the scat back , or speed that has me worried . I am just not sure we are that comfortable in the 3-4 to deal with a small fast back yet ......
Right. Our D just handled two bruisers. You add a little more speed to that and I'm still not worried. What I'm worried about is the combo of runners they have. They can really mix it up on us with the running game.
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Right. Our D just handled two bruisers. You add a little more speed to that and I'm still not worried. What I'm worried about is the combo of runners they have. They can really mix it up on us with the running game.
Yeah , I agree .........
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I imagine we will probably do the same thing on D that we have been doing. With the secondary we have and the lack of a true passing game from the Raiders, we will be putting 7 in the box all day long, with the occasion 8th person coming in on run blitz here and there.

Benson just got done shredding GB for like 150 yards but we shut him down completely.

I think Bush & McFadden will end up with some decent numbers but not enough to take over the game and make up for the lack of a good passing game from them.

I'm gonna say it's a close game but I think Orton continues to throw away passes when nothing is there while Jamarcus will force things and we'll get a pick or two from him.

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If I was Cable, I would run my 2 minute offense the entire game. Louis Murphy has been seaming DB's in both games.

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Cable isn't a wildcat kinda guy. Simple man defense. Dumbed-down offense so his QB doesn't get confused.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:57 AM   #14
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They also just lost Gallery for the season, so their interior O-line could be a little sketchy. I like Cooper Carlisle, but he was never a huge pile driver at Guard.

So, I think that if we can contain McFadden around the end, we will do fine. Hopefully, we can pull ahead early and Elvis gets to tee off again.
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With Gallery out we may see DJ come up the middle unblocked.
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With Gallery out we may see DJ come up the middle unblocked.
I am a DJ supporter, and he is making another good transitiion for the fourth time in his short career, however - the dude needs to learn how to blitz. I'm sorry, but for all the "great athlete" talk, he just doesn't know how to split defenders and break through the line like a freight train. He always draws some contact and slows down.

I think he needs to go back to some of his RB skills, and practice driving through a tackle or something. He could be good for 1-2 sacks (or 3rd down stops) a game if he would just drop the hammer. Maybe someone needs to loan him a hammer first?
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:39 AM   #17
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McFadden is probably a better QB than JeFatAss.
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McFadden was the first "wildcat" QB. It was actually called the "wild hog" and originated in Arkansas. It was the only way to get McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield. Plus, it got Mitch Mustain / Casey Dick off the field. The more you know...
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The modern version of the Wildcat was first used by the Kansas State University Wildcats with Michael Bishop as quarterback in 1997 and 1998 when they made a run at the top of the national rankings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

Seriously, why do you think they called it the "Wildcat?"
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The wild cat is dead in the NFL.

Mcfadden is fast, but running the wild cat against a defense with good lateral speed and solid contain OLBs is just suicidal. The NFL has caught on and found a way to stop the wild cat, I think almost every team in the league has a few defensive plays they run when they detect wild cat now.

We saw the same thing with the option play some years ago in Atlanta, Vick came out and ran the option and tore a few teams apart that way, the NFL adjusted and by midseason it was gone.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

Seriously, why do you think they called it the "Wildcat?"
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aside from your obvious obsession with me, you should preview the links used to support your argument. Especially when the first paragraph comletely owns you. Maybe consider that Bishop was a quarterback as well...

The point of the discussion was the potential of mcfadden running a wildcat variant. My point being that the modern variant -- the version employed by the dolphins for example -- was founded around mcfadden at Arkansas for reasons already stated... so of course he can operate in that capacity. Explain how that is wrong, and find a new hero while you're at it.
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Benson just got done shredding GB for like 150 yards but we shut him down completely.
We certainly did much better than Green Bay, but 76 rushing yards and a TD to go along with 30 something receiving yards? I wouldn't exactly call that "shutting him down completely." Unless you think 1,200 rushing yards to go along with 16 TDs and 500 receiving yards for a full season are crappy numbers for a running back.
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I know at least one person that missed the Miami/Indy game the other night.
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Stick to what you do best, making wildly inaccurate predictions about how long players are going to be out with injuries. Maybe it's time to spend less time on message boards and more time studying human anatomy.
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the raiders could have drafted Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, or Jay Cutler but instead waited for Jamarcus Russel.

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