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Old 09-15-2009, 05:32 PM   #1
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Default Why do Lovie's buddies keep piling on Cutler?

You don't need to be an NFL insider to have heard the whispers about Jay Cutler's leadership skills (or lack thereof.)

The issue went national, of course, during the long buildup to Cutler's trade to Chicago, with Tony Dungy being one of the most outspoken people who questioned Cutler's maturity a few months after he joined the Bears.

Those comments raised a few eyebrows considering Dungy's relationship with Bears coach Lovie Smith, and now another coach close to Smith has jumped on Cutler's behavior.

As pointed out by The Chicago Sun-Times, Mike Martz was critical of Cutler during his NFL Network gig, especially Cutler's behavior in his post-game presser.

"[Cutler] just doesn't get it,'' Martz said. "He doesn't understand that he represents a great head coach and the rest of those players on that team ... somebody needs to talk to him."

Jim Mora also slammed Cutler for "acting like he didn't even care," which we're not sure is fair. Whether you like it or not, Cutler's laconic demeanor is a lot more consistent than his decision-making on the field. He's just not going to give fire-and-brimstone speeches.

Cutler's attitude towards the press is a lot less interesting to us than his interaction with his teammates. There have been signs that Cutler wasn't exactly a beloved leader in the Denver locker room.

Journalist Stefan Fatsis, who spent training camp in 2006 with the Broncos for a book he wrote, alluded to Cutler's aloof nature in a recent interview with the On the DL Podcast. (Outstanding book incidentally.)

Fatsis had close ties with folks throughout the Broncos organization, and there seemed to legitimate questions from within whether Cutler had the "intangibles" necessary to lead a football team. It's fair to wonder whether Josh McDaniels and company took this into account before dealing Cutler away.

Fatsis' comments popped in my head when I read what Martz's said. Hearing one coach close to Lovie Smith question Cutler's maturity was odd, but two seems like a trend.

Brad Biggs of the Sun-Times said it perfectly: "At this point, it's fair to wonder if Lovie Smith shares the same viewpoints as his mentors."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-on-cutler/
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Old 09-15-2009, 05:34 PM   #2
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Old 09-15-2009, 05:38 PM   #3
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Yet another Cutler thread,

I wish we had this many threads about Orton, or even the Broncos in general.
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Old 09-15-2009, 05:49 PM   #4
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hasn't Cutler had a history of personality problems with coaches? Illinois?
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Old 09-15-2009, 05:57 PM   #5
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Yet another Cutler thread,

I wish we had this many threads about Orton, or even the Broncos in general.
Yea me too. Id much rather read all the widows posts bashing the broncos.
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Old 09-15-2009, 06:00 PM   #6
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Does anyone else find it ironic that Jim Mora SR. critiqued someone for how they handled a post game presser?
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Old 09-15-2009, 06:14 PM   #7
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Yet another Cutler thread,

I wish we had this many threads about Orton, or even the Broncos in general.
If you can't handle it, feel free to leave.


I'm not trying to be a prick, honestly, but if you/other people don't understand why Cutler will forever be tied to this organization and be talked about, you simply don't get it.
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Old 09-15-2009, 06:17 PM   #8
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This isn't a surprise, wasn't he first at Purdue and then had a blow up with the staff there and transferred to Illinois? Oh wait, that was Jeff George.
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Old 09-15-2009, 06:26 PM   #9
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Does anyone else find it ironic that Jim Mora SR. critiqued someone for how they handled a post game presser?
He poked fun at himself while doing it.

Another Lovie coaching friend fires on Cutler, Mora adds on too

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Cutler can come across as being brusque in press conferences to uninterested and it's fair to say he was short Sunday night. What Dungy and Martz saw gave them reason to be concerned beyond the mistakes on the field.

"Having always handled my postgame press conferences in a professional way, I'm an authority on these types of things,'' Mora joked, referring to his "playoffs" rant that has become a popular beer commercial. "I just didn't think he was very professional, very accountable. I could give him a tip or two.''
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Old 09-15-2009, 08:43 PM   #10
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If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck....

This whole situation with teh Cutler fans (bears and bronco fans alike) reminds me of Kentucky fans when they signed John Calipari - a guy who incidentally has taken two schools to teh Final Four and had both of them vacated - who seem to think Calipari is completely innocent.

Look, one time is a rumor, two times you can wonder, after that it starts to become a pattern and you can't ignore it.
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Old 09-15-2009, 08:56 PM   #11
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I'm not trying to be a prick, honestly, but if you/other people don't understand why Cutler will forever be tied to this organization and be talked about, you simply don't get it.
I disagree he will only be forever tied to the Broncos if he becomes a true franchise QB, if he doesn't he will be forever tied to the Bears.
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:23 PM   #12
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I guess being a great locker room guy is a good thing but ultimately if Cutler was getting it done on the field, there would be no talk at all about this.
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:27 PM   #13
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:38 PM   #14
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that play was SICK. i bet cutler was screaming at his team then. chicago news called him out for yelling at everyone on the field.
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:57 PM   #15
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I hope he give you hating ****ers some big old piles of crow to eat .
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I hope he give you hating ****ers some big old piles of crow to eat .
I hope he goes down in ****ing flames so the Broncos get a better draft pick.

But hey, Im a Broncos fan.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:39 PM   #17
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I love these cutler bashing threads!
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:40 PM   #18
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I still love this play, even though I said this in the other thread...
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:40 PM   #19
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:45 PM   #20
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But hey, Im a Broncos fan.

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Old 09-16-2009, 05:17 AM   #21
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The article states you have to wonder if McD considered these things prior to trading the player. I don't think he had to wonder. It was obvious this entitled prick needed severe psychological help. Mcdaniels didn't want this guy on Denver period. It wasn't a mistake and he is saving us a ton of heartache down the road. Is Jay going to take a team to the playoffs? YES. However he has a lot of work to do to ever have a chance to hold up the Lombardi, which I do not believe he will ever do.
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:50 AM   #22
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:13 AM   #24
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Can we just all agree to hate Cutler? He's not a very likeable guy as a person.
As a player, if he fails it helps the Broncos. So any Bronco fan should be rooting for him to fail at least this year, and I can't think of anyone besides Cutlerfan who likes him as a person... So yeah at least for one year we can all hate Cutler just as SD fans used to hate him when he was here.

Yay for hate!
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:38 PM   #25
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Someone must tell Jay Cutler to wise up
Bears quarterback needs does of reality, to say nothing of maturity
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Who is going to tell him?

By that I mean, who is going to tell him? Who is going to get in Jay Cutler's face and inform him the Green Bay debacle was ridiculous?

The four interceptions in Sunday's opener were a career high, but the poor decision-making and the recklessness were nothing new. He did that periodically with the Broncos. It's up to someone in the Bears' organization to tell him that being blessed physically is not a license to throw risky passes over and over again.

But for the life of me, I can't figure out who that person would be.

It's also up to someone in the organization to tell Cutler that his on- and off-field demeanor needs to change. Some TV analysts were annoyed by Cutler's attitude in the news conference after the Bears' 21-15 loss to the Packers. The attitude is nothing new either.

"I thought he looked completely immature," former Saints and Colts coach Jim Mora said on the NFL Network. "He acted like he didn't even care."

Added former Rams coach Mike Martz: "He just doesn't get it. He doesn't understand that he represents a great head coach and the rest of those players on that team. Somebody needs to talk to him."

If you have been led to believe it's all about you -- if a team bets its future to acquire you and then gives you smooches at every turn -- it might be hard to listen to someone tell you it isn't all about you.

But that's the situation Cutler and the Bears find themselves in after exactly one game.

So who's going to tell him he needs to change?

Lovie Smith? The blank-faced guy on the sideline who only shows signs of life when it's time to challenge an official's decision? No. Smith has gotten to where he is by being a "player's coach," meaning he speaks no evil to his troops. The chances of Smith telling Cutler, with feeling, that his crazed quarterback act has to end are zero.

(A Denver radio host presented an interesting scenario to me Tuesday: The Bears don't make the playoffs for the third straight season, the McCaskeys fire Smith and bring in former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan to be reunited with Cutler. My on-air response was something along the lines of, "Hmmmmmmmm.")

Ron Turner? If you ever have gotten the indication the Bears offensive coordinator is a budding Buddy Ryan-like motivator, please let us know.

Jerry Angelo? The general manager has handed the team to Cutler and said, "Here, it's your baby." He could have helped tone down the hype surrounding Cutler in the off-season, but didn't. He also could have added a front-line wide receiver in the off-season, but didn't.

Brian Urlacher? Not his style, plus he's out for the season. Injured players tend to be nonentities in the NFL.

Ted Phillips? Only if Cutler complains ticket prices are too high.

Olin Kreutz? He has his own problems with the offensive line. The question is whether the Bears center will reach the point where his natural instinct to protect his quarterback will give way to doing what is right for the team. Kreutz is busy in the trenches and might not be intimately familiar with the art of quarterbacking. But he does know what a dumb decision looks like on film.

The sky isn't falling, though it is dark. The Bears need to view what happened Sunday as an opportunity. Somebody has to take Cutler aside and tell him the team needs a smart, in-control quarterback. A fiery quarterback, not a foolish one.

The way the franchise, the fans and the media have built Cutler up has been bewildering. He is not a veteran John Elway, nor even a close approximation right now. Maybe someday. That's a huge "maybe" for any young quarterback. In the same way that the trail of Michael Jordan heirs is long and bloody, so it is with all the next Elways.

It's up to the Bears to give Cutler every chance to maximize his potential. That will involve some tough love, something with which he doesn't seem overly familiar. But if they get through to their quarterback, Urlacher's absence might not be a deal-breaker for their playoff chances. And beating the Steelers this week might be more than a possibility.

When an organization has spent five months saying its new leader is a franchise quarterback who will make even the most pedestrian receivers better, it's sort of hard to tell him he's human.

But better now than later.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...3079212.column
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