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Old 09-15-2009, 04:56 PM   #1
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Put this together elsewhere real quick. Thought I'd share here in case someone cares. Really just some quick snap-shot things, nothing too in-depth or meaningful... not that in depth or meaningful exist after 1 game.

The defense was definitely able to take advantage of Cinci's line. Not sure if that's an impressive thing or not yet considering the turmoil on their OL... Cleveland's got a decent OL so I'll be curious to see how Denver's DL and blitzing works against that match-up.

However, when Carson had a sufficient amount of time to throw, it was still pretty damn effective outside of a nice tip by Champ and a good play on the ball deflection by Goodman (which is a play I'd never think he was capable of).

Also, here's some fun facts for those being overly optimistic about the defense right now:

307 yards allowed.
16 first downs allowed.
4.9 yards per play.
5/15 on third down
13 pts (if their special teams weren't having an especially retarded day)

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307 yards allowed
15 first downs allowed.
5.2 yards per play
2/12 on third down
14 pts allowed

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That's this years week 1 defense vs last years week 1 defense, fyi.
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13 points?

as long as we're counting imaginary what-if stats, can we also count 3 dropped picks possibly returned for touchdowns? Just sayin...
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Yeah, wouldn't want anyone being overly-optimistic. Those people make me angry.

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13 points?

as long as we're counting imaginary what-if stats, can we also count 3 dropped picks possibly returned for touchdowns? Just sayin...
Would you like to credit the defense with a special teams fumbled snap after letting the opponent drive to the 10 for discussion and comparison purposes?

Glad to see you're retarded.
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Would you like to credit the defense with a special teams fumbled snap after letting the opponent drive to the 10 for discussion and comparison purposes?

Glad to see you're retarded.
All I'm saying is if you're counting phantom imaginary almost what if points for comparison purposes, there are a lot of plays to choose from...
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Yeah, wouldn't want anyone being overly-optimistic. Those people make me angry.

/rolleyes
Cute.

But if the comparison is beyond you, then you might want to talk elsewhere. Our defense has historically performed pretty well even when they were subpar units. 2008's opener listed above. 07 against the Bills. 06 (though that was still a very good defense before Al broke).

Still we get comments, "Clearly the defense is much better than it has been".

Hopefully that's the case, we'll find out over the next 3-4 weeks for sure.
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All I'm saying is if you're counting phantom imaginary almost what if points for comparison purposes, there are a lot of plays to choose from...
What's imaginary about our defense letting an opposing team drive to our own 10 yard line for the go ahead chip-shot field goal? Gtfo of this thread if you're gonna be an idiot and can't understand a simple concept.
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13 points?

as long as we're counting imaginary what-if stats, can we also count 3 dropped picks possibly returned for touchdowns? Just sayin...
I just added what-if's for Orton and he actually played better than Brees on Sunday!

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I know that most folks are happy that the defense only gave up 7 points, but I am very concerned with the zone coverage and 3rd down plays. In zone there seemed to be a lot of confusion on AOR and 3rd down coverage was shaky when they went with only 3 down line men and dropped the rest back in zone or combo man/zone defense.
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We're talking about a bottom dwelling defense last season crawling out of a hole. I love the energy and fire they are playing with. It's a great turnaround of spirit. Last year, when San Diego was kicking our asses, there were members of the team (who are now gone) who were yukking it up on the sidelines. We're on the ground floor. I wouldn't be so quick to start smacking them down with stats.
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I just added what-if's for Orton and he actually played better than Brees on Sunday!

I remember when you used to talk football.
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JaMarcus Russell vs Carson Palmer......... Bengals WRs vs Raiders WRs
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I have a freakin question for you Rev, they botched one field goal attempt snap that if made, would've given them 10 points.
Where are these other 3 points coming from? Are you pulling them out of your ass or something?
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We're talking about a bottom dwelling defense last season crawling out of a hole. I love the energy and fire they are playing with. It's a great turnaround of spirit. Last year, when San Diego was kicking our asses, there were members of the team (who are now gone) who were yukking it up on the sidelines. We're on the ground floor. I wouldn't be so quick to start smacking them down with stats.
Agreed, but we haven't seem them vs adversity yet. The defense played with a lot of fire and intensity while we kicked the **** out of Oakland in the black hole this same time last year as well. The rough patch of our schedule will give us a lot of insight into the character of the team.

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I know that most folks are happy that the defense only gave up 7 points, but I am very concerned with the zone coverage and 3rd down plays. In zone there seemed to be a lot of confusion on AOR and 3rd down coverage was shaky when they went with only 3 down line men and dropped the rest back in zone or combo man/zone defense.
This is another good post, however 5/15 on third down is far from poor, it's even a little above average.
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I have a freakin question for you Rev, they botched one field goal attempt snap that if made, would've given them 10 points.
Where are these other 3 points coming from? Are you pulling them out of your ass or something?
Very possible. I was pretty drunk. I thought they shanked one also?

I have a freakin question for you, was that adjective really necessary?
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Would you like to credit the defense with a special teams fumbled snap after letting the opponent drive to the 10 for discussion and comparison purposes?

Glad to see you're retarded.
You're lying to make your point about the D. It's a good lie, don't get me wrong, but it's still a lie.
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Very possible. I was pretty drunk. I thought they shanked one also?

I have a freakin question for you, was that adjective really necessary?
Yes it was to emphasis my point of how retarded it is giving the opposing team points just because you feel like they should have them.
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Yes it was to emphasis my point of how retarded it is giving the opposing team points just because you feel like they should have them.
You've got to be kidding me... so we'll credit the defense for the fumbled snap even in discussion about defensive concerns.

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you've got to be kidding me... So we'll credit the defense for the fumbled snap even in discussion about defensive concerns.

Got it.
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I remember when you used to talk football.
You just added imaginary points to make your retarded point stronger. But I guess that makes you a superior football-talker?
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You've got to be kidding me... so we'll credit the defense for the fumbled snap even in discussion about defensive concerns.

Got it.
It's a lie. It's not real. You cannot dispute that.
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Back to actual football discussion though, you've got to look at the game situations to really get a good idea and make a valid comparison. As I recall our Offense looked like world beaters the first few weeks of last year. A Defense is going to operate differently in that situation. Still, Defense is usually ahead of Offense at the beginning of the year so I'm going back and forth between "stoked" and "guarded optimism".
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Way to adjust for your own means. You ignore that in the first game last season Denver gave up 150 rushing yards for 5 yards a carry. This season it was 86 for 3.1 a carry...in a close game. 2 int's off of Palmer and Zero off of Jamarcus Russell...in a blow out.

Denver's defense played overall superior against better offensive talent, and in a close game.
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Back to actual football discussion though, you've got to look at the game situations to really get a good idea and make a valid comparison. As I recall our Offense looked like world beaters the first few weeks of last year. A Defense is going to operate differently in that situation. Still, Defense is usually ahead of Offense at the beginning of the year so I'm going back and forth between "stoked" and "guarded optimism".
So you actually understand the discussion but decided to complain anyways? That makes sense.

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