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Old 09-15-2009, 03:53 AM   #1
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I know it's been done a thousand times on every single message board but i found this article today and thought it brought a very valid case that back's up many people's opinions on the overated media superhero!

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http://www.docsports.com/2009/jay-cutler-bust-065.html
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Old 09-15-2009, 04:12 AM   #2
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I know it's been done a thousand times on every single message board but i found this article today and thought it brought a very valid case that back's up many people's opinions on the overated media superhero!

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http://www.docsports.com/2009/jay-cutler-bust-065.html
Yawn-Yawn......panic when Cutler is in his 30's making the same mistakes. These are all mistakes of a qtr back that had only started 32 games. What we are witnessing are the growing pains of a young QB.

Tell the writer that Steve Young sucked early in his career as well. Steve Young is also a HOF QB.

Put Cutler in a Bill Walsh system or a Belichick system and we are all singing a different tune. Hell in the SB two years ago, Tom Brady looked like a mere mortal when his OL didn't give him time to throw b/c the NYG pass rush was relentless.

Point is, QB's are successful b/c of the sytem and talent they play in....plain and simple. Lets see how Cutler performs once he and his receivers get comfortable and have some years playing together. Lets see how Cutler performs once the Bears tweak their OL. Hell lets see how Cutler performs should he and Shanny reunite in Chi-town, should Lovee get Fired.

Cutler's future is nothing but up and he has yet to reach his full talent potential.
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or without star players around him he could be the next jeff george
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or without star players around him he could be the next jeff george
Any QB w/o the proper system to take advantage of their talent or the QB's don't have the necessary talent around them.....they won't be successful.

One only needs to look at incubator QB environment Troy Aikman enjoyed while in Dallas. Troy was surrounded by talent on the OL, TE, WR, RB as well with a Defense that gave him great field position. Joe Montana was a another QB who qualifies for incubator status as well.
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Cutler's future is nothing but up and he has yet to reach his full talent potential.
Truth. He needs a coach to get through to him. make him get it. then he will be a super star.
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any qb except elway w/o the proper system to take advantage of their talent or the qb's don't have the necessary talent around them.....they won't be successful.

One only needs to look at incubator qb environment troy aikman enjoyed while in dallas. Troy was surrounded by talent on the ol, te, wr, rb as well with a defense that gave him great field position. Joe montana was a another qb who qualifies for incubator status as well.
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Old 09-15-2009, 05:25 AM   #7
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Any QB w/o the proper system to take advantage of their talent or the QB's don't have the necessary talent around them.....they won't be successful.

One only needs to look at incubator QB environment Troy Aikman enjoyed while in Dallas. Troy was surrounded by talent on the OL, TE, WR, RB as well with a Defense that gave him great field position. Joe Montana was a another QB who qualifies for incubator status as well.
Montana did good in Kansas City though and on the tail end of his career no less.
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You can have all the talent in the world surrounding you, you can have the greatest arm since(fill in the blank...)...

But if you have a 10 cent head, you won't go far...yeah, yeah, I know his Wonderlic score, he's still a bigger douch- than Kanye..
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These are all mistakes of a qtr back that had only started 32 games. What we are witnessing are the growing pains of a young QB.

Put Cutler in a Bill Walsh system or a Belichick system and we are all singing a different tune.

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..and yet we have people on here b****ing about our current QB's mistkes despite starting only 34 games himself. As for Jay being in a Belichick system...what system do you think he just ran away from in Denver?
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Great point. If Cutler is given the excuse for lack of starts, well, Orton hasn't exactly started a 100 games himself. But I have yet to see Orton afforded such an excuse.
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Yawn-Yawn......panic when Cutler is in his 30's making the same mistakes. These are all mistakes of a qtr back that had only started 32 games. What we are witnessing are the growing pains of a young QB.
You give him a pass on his mistakes until he is in his 30's?
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I know it's been done a thousand times on every single message board but i found this article today and thought it brought a very valid case that back's up many people's opinions on the overated media superhero!

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http://www.docsports.com/2009/jay-cutler-bust-065.html
"Through the first 37 games of his career Cutler has already committed a whopping 61 turnovers (37 interceptions, 24 fumbles) compared to just 57 touchdowns while posting a record of 17-20. By comparison, in 36 games in his career Rex Grossman has committed 54 turnovers (35 interceptions, 19 fumbles). When you are even more of a turnover dispenser than The Sex Cannon you are in serious trouble."


BUT HE"S A 25YO PRO-BOWLER. (I don't care how good he BOWLS, he's supposed to be good at tossin the rock.)
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But if you have a 10 cent head, you won't go far...yeah, yeah, I know his Wonderlic score, he's still a bigger douch- than Kanye..
I'd say they are in the same boat, and 10 cents is 6 cents to much.
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Any QB w/o the proper system to take advantage of their talent or the QB's don't have the necessary talent around them.....they won't be successful.
One only needs to look at incubator QB environment Troy Aikman enjoyed while in Dallas. Troy was surrounded by talent on the OL, TE, WR, RB as well with a Defense that gave him great field position. Joe Montana was a another QB who qualifies for incubator status as well.
because Elway under reeves with the likes of Winder and Vance prove your point right?
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..and yet we have people on here b****ing about our current QB's mistkes despite starting only 34 games himself. As for Jay being in a Belichick system...what system do you think he just ran away from in Denver?
McDaniel's doesn't = Belichick! Hopefully one day you'll realize this.
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McDaniel's doesn't = Belichick! Hopefully one day you'll realize this.
We hope he isn't. Nobody like a cheater.
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Great point. If Cutler is given the excuse for lack of starts, well, Orton hasn't exactly started a 100 games himself. But I have yet to see Orton afforded such an excuse.
Not to mention that Orton is very new to the system he's playing in, and all of the stats mentioned in that article regarding Cutler were from the system that's been run by the Mastermind.

For those thinking that it will just take a coach to get through to him, um didn't we see how he reacts to a coach who actually wants to coach him instead of coddle his ego like Shanahan did.

Cutler can't take it. He doesn't have the makeup of a guy who's going to take to coaching. He's got a stronger arm than Elway, in his mind, and that's all he needs. Smirk.
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"When you are even more of a turnover dispenser than The Sex Cannon you are in serious trouble."

Hah!
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Any QB w/o the proper system to take advantage of their talent or the QB's don't have the necessary talent around them.....they won't be successful.
Cutler had every one of those things in Denver, and wasn't successful.
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Yawn-Yawn......panic when Cutler is in his 30's making the same mistakes. These are all mistakes of a qtr back that had only started 32 games. What we are witnessing are the growing pains of a young QB.

Tell the writer that Steve Young sucked early in his career as well. Steve Young is also a HOF QB.

Put Cutler in a Bill Walsh system or a Belichick system and we are all singing a different tune. Hell in the SB two years ago, Tom Brady looked like a mere mortal when his OL didn't give him time to throw b/c the NYG pass rush was relentless.

Point is, QB's are successful b/c of the sytem and talent they play in....plain and simple. Lets see how Cutler performs once he and his receivers get comfortable and have some years playing together. Lets see how Cutler performs once the Bears tweak their OL. Hell lets see how Cutler performs should he and Shanny reunite in Chi-town, should Lovee get Fired.

Cutler's future is nothing but up and he has yet to reach his full talent potential.
Steve Young, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, on and on. He will be considered a superstar by the end of this season as he begins to gel with his WRs, and still only 26 years old.
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Steve Young, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, on and on. He will be considered a superstar by the end of this season as he begins to gel with his WRs, and still only 26 years old.
cool, go cheer him on!

meanwhile, everyone here wants a high draft pick, thus we want him to fail and miserably.
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cool, go cheer him on!

meanwhile, everyone here wants a high draft pick, thus we want him to fail and miserably.
Well, I want him to fail because he's a douche. But a high draft pick would be nice.
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You give him a pass on his mistakes until he is in his 30's?
No I'm not saying he gets a pass. Btwn 25-30 he should be making progress with cutting down his interception or so the pundits say. If a QB is in his 30's and still throwing INT at the rate he was in his 20's then you got problems.
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Ive been telling you people that Cutler isn't a franchise QB since the day we drafted him.

Just remember that.

When he is a backup QB in 3 years.
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No I'm not saying he gets a pass. Btwn 25-30 he should be making progress with cutting down his interception or so the pundits say. If a QB is in his 30's and still throwing INT at the rate he was in his 20's then you got problems.
Turnover prone QBs will always be turnover prone QBs. Name one QB who has actually changed that? Outside of Manning's rookie year, I can't think of any.
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