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Old 09-04-2009, 07:03 PM   #51
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Absolutely, but do we really think that a guy who has absolutely no headcoaching experience at any level is going to come in here and be a lot better than a headcoaching legend?
I don't think hes even remotely implying that.
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Old 09-04-2009, 07:28 PM   #52
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.

He was definitely building an incredible Offense.
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Old 09-04-2009, 07:39 PM   #53
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he might have had the offense on track to possibly become dominant(although the ton of yards with no points to show was getting old)

but that defense was on its way to becoming the worst ever seen.
Check this out, lex posted it in a thread about the 53 man roster/last preseason game and it really got me thinking to see it like this. These are our impact draft selections, 96-05:

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1996	1	15	John Mobley	OLB	Kutztown		Def
	2	44	Tory James	DB	Louisiana State		Def
	3	65	Detron Smith	RB	Texas A&M	
	3	78	Mark Campbell	DT	Florida	Def

1997	1	28	Trevor Pryce	DT	Clemson	Def


1998	1	30	Marcus Nash	WR	Tennessee	
	2	61	Eric Brown	SS	Mississippi State	Def
	3	91	Brian Griese	QB	Michigan	


1999	1	31	Al Wilson	MLB	Tennessee		Def
	2	58	Montae Reagor	DE	Texas Tech		Def
	2	61	Lennie Friedman	C	Duke	
	3	67	Chris Watson	CB	Eastern Illinois	Def
	3	93	Travis McGriff	WR	Florida	

2000	1	15	Deltha O'Neal	CB	California		Def
	2	40	Ian Gold	LB	Michigan		Def
	2	45	Kenoy Kennedy	SAF	Arkansas		Def
	3	70	Chris Cole	WR	Texas A&M	

2001	1	24	Willie Middlebrooks	CB	Minnesota	Def
	2	51	Paul Toviessi	DE	Marshall		Def
	3	87	Reggie Hayward	DE	Iowa State		Def


2002	1	19	Ashley Lelie	WR	Hawaii	
	2	51	Clinton Portis	RB	Miami (Fla.)	
	3	96	Dorsett Davis	DT	Mississippi State	Def

2003	1	20	George Foster	T	Georgia	
	2	51	Terry Pierce	LB	Kansas State		Def


2004	1	17	D.J. Williams	OLB	Miami (Fla.)		Def
	2	41	Tatum Bell	RB	Oklahoma State	
	2	54	Darius Watts	WR	Marshall	
	3	85	Jeremy LeSueur	CB	Michigan		Def


2005	2	56	Darrent Williams	CB	Oklahoma State	Def
	3	76	Karl Paymah	DB	Washington State	Def
	3	97	Domonique Foxworth	CB	Maryland	Def
	3	101	Maurice Clarett	--	Ohio State	

		# players	33		Def	21

...and they certainly made a profound impact on the team.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:24 PM   #54
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He was definitely building an incredible Offense.
Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:27 PM   #55
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Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
The hardest thing to do is build both there has to be a happy medium

If only Shanny would've sent Slowick packing
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Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
I'm going to say D. NFL rules favor the O, and I think there is more teamwork involved in a successful D.
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I can only speak for myself, but I believe that Shanahan had us on track to be a dominant force in the NFL. I know that people don't agree with me, and that's ok with me. Their disagreement does nothing to distract me from where I believed Shanahan was headed.
I thought Shanahan had lost his focus. He was a substantial coach but something was missing. I think the Broncos would have been better off to have kept him. I think the Broncos could have turned it around.

McD has taken more hits than any coach in Broncos history and he hasn't even coached a regular season game. McD would have to win at least ten games this year to have any chance at respect from the fan base at large. I personally don't think he will even see eight.

People don't like change so if it is change they don't understand they hate you, quit on you, or make any leadership decision you make look bad.
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Check this out, lex posted it in a thread about the 53 man roster/last preseason game and it really got me thinking to see it like this. These are our impact draft selections, 96-05:




...and they certainly made a profound impact on the team.
I wish we still had Reggie Heyward.
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Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
I think the league has substantially changed this question. The NFL rules play a larger part in this equation every year it seems.
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Do you know what the funny thing is?

1 playoff win is 1 more than Mcdaniels has.


...and 7 non-playoff seasons is 7 more than McDaniels has too.

...and 3 playoff losses the past decade is 3 more than McDaniels has as well.

...and 3 mediocre seasons since your last playoff loss is 3 more than McDaniels has too.
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You would rather have a guy with no experience?

Because I will coach for a lot less than Mcdaniels makes and I have won just as many games as he has.

True...but McDaniels isn't an idiot loser posting on a football forum from his mom's basement. so based on that Pat made a wiser choice.
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asn't this offseason the time to address the D, since our O was #2 in the NFL in total yards? (minus a RB)
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Absolutely, but do we really think that a guy who has absolutely no headcoaching experience at any level is going to come in here and be a lot better than a headcoaching legend?
Hey moron...how did this coaching legend get to become a coaching legend?

someone has to to be the first person to hire him as a head coach.
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Do you know what the funny thing is?

1 playoff win is 1 more than Mcdaniels has.
as a head coach maybe but he contributed plenty to the playoff wins NE has had in recent years.
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Old 09-04-2009, 11:49 PM   #66
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as a head coach maybe but he contributed plenty to the playoff wins NE has had in recent years.
As a OC he didn't win a SB ring, didn't the other two that won SB rings go on to fail? Awesome we get the loser of the group.
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As a OC he didn't win a SB ring, didn't the other two that won SB rings go on to fail? Awesome we get the loser of the group.
...you mean a loser like Mike who was our OC in '89 when the 49ers made the Broncos lick a cat's ass 55-10 in SB XXIV? Who's best call of the day was a 26 yard shuttle pass to Bobby Humphrey? And then was stupid enough to call another one on the very next play where it was almost intercepted?

He turned out OK didn't he?
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...you mean a loser like Mike who was our OC in '89 when the 49ers made the Broncos lick a cat's ass 55-10 in SB XXIV? Who's best call of the day was a 26 yard shuttle pass to Bobby Humphrey? And then was stupid enough to call another one on the very next play where it was almost intercepted?

He turned out OK didn't he?
Yeah the same loser that left Denver to only join another team and become a SB winner with the 49ers in 94 then comeback to us a few years later a SB champion. Its almost like he left and learned something from one of the greatest NFL coaches of all-time that has a HUGE MOTHER ****ING SUCCESS RATE FROM ALL OF HIS COACHES THAT COACHED UNDER HIM.
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sorry I haven't been able to respond yet, I've been at work and just now got off.


I know Shanny was shocked when he was let go and probably upset at first but I think he came to realize it was time because in his own words he said "I just didn't get the job done". The pressure was really starting to mount over the past few seasons, with all the new DC's every year to a defense that was going downhill faster then the speed of light to horrible special teams every season. I don't think Bowlen felt it was right to just keep Mike as HC and remove his GM duties after all these years. I think Bowlen felt like Mike just needed a different scene altogether and he's probably right. 14 consecutive years as an NFL coach with one team is a very long time. All of those long hours he put in, I think he needed a break from the game, at least one where he didn't have to be here every day for 18 hours.

I don't think we can compare the early years for Mike the same way we will be able to for Josh, simply because Josh didn't inherit a legend at QB. Jay is good but he's no Elway that's for sure.

I guess the reason for my post was I felt so many people were saying they thought we were going to suck so bad, as if we haven't sucked so bad before hand for a very long time. You judge a team on winning, and even more so with playoff wins, not by how many yards the offense can produce. I also think Shanny was starting to put together a very dominant offense, but just the same, it wasn't going to do anything because of ST's and defense. We kept going through bad DC's and very bad defensive FA's and draft picks every single year. I honestly believe the team once again would have had an average to bad season this year under Shanny so new blood wasn't such a bad idea in my book.


Anyway, the regular season is now here and it's about time. I'm pumped. I know we are going to have a rough go at it but none the less I'm very excited to watch Broncos football (regular season style). Go BRONCOS !!!
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I hope Shanahan IS learning about defense because he defenses sucked. I think Ant is right that he really did need to take a step back. All the money he made with the Broncos I am wondering where he will pop up next.
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Yeah the same loser that left Denver to only join another team and become a SB winner with the 49ers in 94 then comeback to us a few years later a SB champion. Its almost like he left and learned something from one of the greatest NFL coaches of all-time that has a HUGE MOTHER ****ING SUCCESS RATE FROM ALL OF HIS COACHES THAT COACHED UNDER HIM.
..and you don't think Josh McDaniels who has been said to be alot like Mike Shanahan himself, doesn't have the same potential coming from the staff of this past decades most successful head coach?

Sure Mangini and Crennel haven't done too good...but they had their moments with the Jets flirting with the playoffs this past season and the Browns having a 10-6 record two seasons ago.

But then again Mike wasn't a successful head coach in his first two seasons at Oakland, nor did he do all that good in his first season as Broncos HC...his first three seasons saw him sitting at 16-20. He then went onto post 13-3, 12-4, 14-2 records with two titles....

Unlike you, I have no idea what the future holds...which is why I'm not stupid enough to predict it.
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Absolutely, but do we really think that a guy who has absolutely no headcoaching experience at any level is going to come in here and be a lot better than a headcoaching legend?
I think the point is you should give him a chance before trying to run him out of town.
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Do you think it's harder to build a good offense or a good defense?
The object is always to build a good overall team in all three phases plus the fourth phase - the coaching staff. That's how you win playoff games consistently.

Shanny hadn't been able to do that since 1998, and since he hadn't been able to do that for 10 years I was skeptical he would be able to do it in the next few years.
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