Obama Ups the Ante on Health Care

[Rohirrim]

He will address a joint session of Congress on Sept. 9th. This is a strong, strategic move. He will put the ball firmly in the Republican court and make it clear that if there is no health care reform bill, it will be because of them. I'm also guessing this is the last call for bipartisanship.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32656900...h_care_reform/

[Garcia Bronco]

. You can only up the ante when you have the chips. Everyone knows Republicans are not holding up this bill. Everyone knows that the Democrats do not need one Republican vote to pass any bill.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

. You can only up the ante when you have the chips. Everyone knows Republicans are not holding up this bill. Everyone knows that the Democrats do not need one Republican vote to pass any bill.

You never heard of a filibuster?

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You never heard of a filibuster?

Good god...they have had the votes in the senate since before ****bag kicked the bucket. What's happening is Democrats are holding up the bill because they are hearing from their districts to vote NO on the current legislation. They realize it doesn't matter how much money they have...getting re-elected will be a long shot if they vote for any of these bills. Especially HR 3200.

[SPfloppy]

So we get more partisan politics and the cycle continues with all of us left holding the bag. (I am against healthcare proposed by the President) I'm just saying, this gets worse everyday and they will never ever agree on squat and thus we the voter, the citizens who they decide policy for; will never get the best things we need because of BS between the two parties

[Smiling Assassin27]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

He will address a joint session of Congress on Sept. 9th. This is a strong, strategic move. He will put the ball firmly in the Republican court and make it clear that if there is no health care reform bill, it will be because of them. I'm also guessing this is the last call for bipartisanship.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32656900...h_care_reform/

He will fail if he aims the gun at Republicans. Blue Dogs are a large segment of the anti-Obamacare side. I suspect he'll toss the public option under the bus AND THEN maybe blame Republicans if nothing gets done.The Republicans will look at Obama and point to HR 2520. He's got a major problem if he does this, though, since he's spent the last 3 months backing the public option with gusto. By upping the ante, he may be walking into a fight with either his liberal base or Blue Dogs and Republicans, depending on what he says.

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Good god...they have had the votes in the senate since before ****bag kicked the bucket. What's happening is Democrats are holding up the bill because they are hearing from their districts to vote NO on the current legislation. They realize it doesn't matter how much money they have...getting re-elected will be a long shot if they vote for any of these bills. Especially HR 3200.

The Blue Dog Dems are in the pockets of big pharama and the private health insurance companies.....they're not listening to their constituents. The Blue Dogs i.e. stealth Republicans are the ebola virus holding up public option or universal coverage.

Blue dogs need to remember it takes more VOTES, then MONEY to get elected". And while it HELPS to have money to try and convince people to vote for you, money can't buy votes.

You can have all the money in the world (from Big Pharma) and not get a single vote, OR you can have almost NO money and get ALL the votes (it just take MORE work by you and your supporters).

If the Democrats pass this bill alone, and are able to do it with a public option, not only will the Republican Party have been proven beyond a doubt to be irrelevant in Washington today, but they will have once again put themselves on the opposing side of groundbreaking legislation. A good health care program which provides a way for millions of currently uninsured Americans to get health insurance will become popular, much like Social Security and Medicare have.

The GOP talks about death panels, socialism, Nazi policies and the like will quickly seem like the overheated rhetoric that it is as this new program will rapidly get integrated into the broader fabric of American politics and American life. A few decades from now Americans will wonder why the US waited so long to pass this legislation, than those same Americans will be living under some kind of socialist dictatorship, as the right wing suggests.

It should not be overlooked, even though the Republican Party would like you to forget, that the majority of Republicans opposed Social Security and Medicare as well. It is likely that a new health care program will be similarly popular and Republican opposition to it will be similarly downplayed by that party as the years go by.

It might be better for America, and would certainly be better for the Republicans, if this program were passed with bipartisan support, but passing it alone won't hurt the Democrats. Failing to take advantage of this opportunity will, on the other hand, hurt both the Democratic Party and the country which it governs.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

He will address a joint session of Congress on Sept. 9th. This is a strong, strategic move. He will put the ball firmly in the Republican court and make it clear that if there is no health care reform bill, it will be because of them. I'm also guessing this is the last call for bipartisanship.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32656900...h_care_reform/

Its the republicans fault?

AHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

...oh...wow....that's too much!

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAH!

Dems have a supermajority, homeskillet.

It aint nobody's fault but Obamas. Hes the one who had this clunker of a bill developed. He wrote a bill that everyone agrees is a piece of crap. Nobody wants it.

Obamacare = Obama fail.

[peacepipe]

Even with all the hoopla this past august a new CNN poll says that there is still a large support for public option. 55%-41% favorability for public option.

[SoCalBronco]

Obama has already signaled that he isn't going to pursue the public option as part of the legislation. I suspect he's going to try and sell the Left on how they shouldn't cut off their nose to spite their face.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

He will address a joint session of Congress on Sept. 9th. This is a strong, strategic move. He will put the ball firmly in the Republican court and make it clear that if there is no health care reform bill, it will be because of them. I'm also guessing this is the last call for bipartisanship.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32656900...h_care_reform/

Major Fail.

If ObamaCare was such a great idea, Democrats would be chomping at the bit to vote this in even if not a single Republican approved. But they aren't.

The only reason the Democrats are so determined to get bipartisanship here is so they can blame Republicans if ObamaCare fails. That's all.

So, this "strong, strategic move to put the ball firmly in the Republican court" is simply an attempt to deflect the blame to the party that is entirely, completely not responsible for it not passing, since they lack the votes to stop it.

If they didn't have an obedient press to lie for them, this Democrat gambit wouldn't even get off the ground.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I suspect he's going to try and sell the Left on how they shouldn't cut off their nose to spite their face.

I suspect he's going to beg them to put together anything that can be passed and signed into law just so he can save face. If the whole thing dies, Obama's rep takes a major hit.

When your party has majority control of both houses and you *still* can't get a major piece of your agenda through, it looks really bad on your ability to get things done.

[cutthemdown]

Hopefully Obama lays out exactly what things must be in the bill for him to sign it. Then we can just vote on this and get it over with.

Obama so wishy washy though on it who knows. He really needs to lead right now not let Congress write all his legislation.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Hopefully Obama lays out exactly what things must be in the bill for him to sign it. Then we can just vote on this and get it over with.

Obama so wishy washy though on it who knows. He really needs to lead right now not let Congress write all his legislation.

I can understand why he chose the path he did. When Clinton wrote a bill himself and tried to get it passed he was ambushed and destroyed by the Right. Obama figured he would give Congress the first shot at a bill. I'm sure he's surprised that the rightards have stirred up such a **** storm of sissified hysteria over the whole subject. Hell, you'd think if we passed health insurance reform the next thing that will happen is Russian tanks cruising down Pennsylvania Avenue. But I guess that's how their masters pay them to act, like little girls. You can see a nice reflection of it on this thread. Anyway, the American people want this idiotic system reformed, one way or the other, and no matter how much money Big Pharma, the insurance giants and the AMA throw out to stop it, it will happen.

[Rohirrim]

Speaking of loony tunes on the Right, check out what Imhofe is telling his constituents down in Oklahoma:

During those 75 minutes, Inhofe said President Barack Obama is disarming the military, is destroying everything good about America and is determined to turn foreign terrorists loose on U.S. soil.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic..._0_GROVEP35689

That's a great service you're doing for your country, Congressman. And when somebody even loonier than you takes your words to heart and tries to attack our president, no doubt you'll plead ignorance.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I can understand why he chose the path he did. When Clinton wrote a bill himself and tried to get it passed he was ambushed and destroyed by the Right. Obama figured he would give Congress the first shot at a bill. I'm sure he's surprised that the rightards have stirred up such a **** storm of sissified hysteria over the whole subject. Hell, you'd think if we passed health insurance reform the next thing that will happen is Russian tanks cruising down Pennsylvania Avenue. But I guess that's how their masters pay them to act, like little girls. You can see a nice reflection of it on this thread. Anyway, the American people want this idiotic system reformed, one way or the other, and no matter how much money Big Pharma, the insurance giants and the AMA throw out to stop it, it will happen.

And this is exactly why this clown was not fit for president.

He's making Sarah Palin look like a political genius.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

And this is exactly why this clown was not fit for president.

He's making Sarah Palin look like a political genius.

Good take. Where'd you steal this from, Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy?

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I suspect he's going to beg them to put together anything that can be passed and signed into law just so he can save face. If the whole thing dies, Obama's rep takes a major hit.

When your party has majority control of both houses and you *still* can't get a major piece of your agenda through, it looks really bad on your ability to get things done.

Yeah sure Tex......Obama does not have a monolithic goose stepping Democrat party like Bush enjoyed with monolithic rubber stamp Republican Congress from 01-06. The Blue Dog (stealth Republicans) Dems who are taking millions of dollars from the healthcare industry are ambushing Obama's push for a public option. Thanks to the Benidict Arnold Blue dogs Obama will need to compromise plain and simple.

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

And this is exactly why this clown was not fit for president.

He's making Sarah Palin look like a political genius.

Don't be an ignorant hater from the state of TEXASS! The truth of the matter, Neanderthal racist conservative Republicans are w/o a President right now b/c they choose not to except Obama as their President. I guess these so called Americans would much rather have had another election stolen and settled by the Supreme Court. Theres is nothing Obama can do win the respect and trust from the Knuckle Dragging fringe of conservative Amerika!

I can't wait for the state of TEX-ASS to succeed from the union. The boat anchor of ignorance, hate, and racism coming from the fringe arrogance of this state is an embarrassment to the U.S. ***ing amazing.

[Smiling Assassin27]

I can't wait for the state of TEX-ASS to succeed from the union.

Wow. You will never 'secede' at convincing McSkillet of this...

It's comical how rasta is simply unable to address an argument coherently. In typical fashion, he chooses to insult those who disagree with him, treating them like they are beneath him, dumber than him, and not entitled to a point of view unless it syncs with his own. That's the reality with the power distribution being as it is in Congress and the White House these days. Rather than addressing dissenters with a cool head, clear arguments, and tolerance, they choose to bite off people's fingers and beat them physically and verbally into submission. You'd think they would look at the Bush years and head the other way, but instead now use their position of power to inflict retribution for those years. The cycle continues.

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Wow. You will never 'secede' at convincing McSkillet of this...

It's comical how rasta is simply unable to address an argument coherently. In typical fashion, he chooses to insult those who disagree with him, treating them like they are beneath him, dumber than him, and not entitled to a point of view unless it syncs with his own. That's the reality with the power distribution being as it is in Congress and the White House these days. Rather than addressing dissenters with a cool head, clear arguments, and tolerance, they choose to bite off people's fingers and beat them physically and verbally into submission. You'd think they would look at the Bush years and head the other way, but instead now use their position of power to inflict retribution for those years. The cycle continues.

So says the self appointed-opinionated mediator. I responded in kind to McSkills negative disrespectful comments.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by McSkillet
And this is exactly why this clown was not fit for president.

He's making Sarah Palin look like a political genius. [Quote]

McSkill is from the state of TEXASS of who's voters simply don't like nor respect the President for a multitude of reasons.

Take it easy Smilinassassin, McSkills can take of himself w/o you coming to his rescue.

[rastaman]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Major Fail.

If ObamaCare was such a great idea, Democrats would be chomping at the bit to vote this in even if not a single Republican approved. But they aren't.

The only reason the Democrats are so determined to get bipartisanship here is so they can blame Republicans if ObamaCare fails. That's all.

So, this "strong, strategic move to put the ball firmly in the Republican court" is simply an attempt to deflect the blame to the party that is entirely, completely not responsible for it not passing, since they lack the votes to stop it.

If they didn't have an obedient press to lie for them, this Democrat gambit wouldn't even get off the ground.

If the Democrats pass this bill alone, and are able to do it with a public option, not only will the Republican Party have been proven beyond a doubt to be irrelevant in Washington today, but they will have once again put themselves on the opposing side of groundbreaking legislation. A good health care program which provides a way for millions of currently uninsured Americans to get health insurance will become popular, much like Social Security and Medicare have.

The GOP talks about death panels, socialism, Nazi policies and the like will quickly seem like the overheated rhetoric that it is as this new program will rapidly get integrated into the broader fabric of American politics and American life. A few decades from now Americans will wonder why the US waited so long to pass this legislation, than those same Americans will be living under some kind of socialist dictatorship, as the right wing suggests.

It should not be overlooked, even though the Republican Party would like you to forget, that the majority of Republicans opposed Social Security and Medicare as well. It is likely that a new health care program will be similarly popular and Republican opposition to it will be similarly downplayed by that party as the years go by.

It might be better for America, and would certainly be better for the Republicans, if this program were passed with bipartisan support, but passing it alone won't hurt the Democrats. Failing to take advantage of this opportunity will, on the other hand, hurt both the Democratic Party and the country which it governs.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Wow. You will never 'secede' at convincing McSkillet of this...

It's comical how rasta is simply unable to address an argument coherently. In typical fashion, he chooses to insult those who disagree with him, treating them like they are beneath him, dumber than him, and not entitled to a point of view unless it syncs with his own. That's the reality with the power distribution being as it is in Congress and the White House these days. Rather than addressing dissenters with a cool head, clear arguments, and tolerance, they choose to bite off people's fingers and beat them physically and verbally into submission. You'd think they would look at the Bush years and head the other way, but instead now use their position of power to inflict retribution for those years. The cycle continues.

The good thing about the current prominence of the leftists is that the populace gets to see what they are all about. They spent 8 years insulting and denigrating republicans. In retrospect, it was a typical character trait of the leftist movement. It typifies the body philosophic. It was encapsulated by the silliness of the teenage-angst-ridden music of bands like Green Day and System of a Down. That type of "we hate you and dont care what you think, believe, or want...you are our enemy to the death" mentality angled at their fellow citizens created the timbre of the current political discourse from their side.

They're saying "ha! We're in power, now, so regardless of what the constitution says, we're gonna make you obey us." And they are being met by the average American who is finally sick of being insulted, derided, and begged for a fight. The average American is gonna give it to them, and I dont blame them at all.

Obama's presidency was trumpteted with headlines of "we're all socialists now" on the cover of Time, and the persistent evidence of that nature within the democratic party has awoken the country. Americans do not want to be socialists. Period. These "democrats" are so brazen that they dont even hide the fact that they are socialists anymore. Obama has socialist advisors all around him.

People are waking up.

The socialistocrats finally showed their faces, and they are hideous suckers.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Speaking of loony tunes on the Right, check out what Imhofe is telling his constituents down in Oklahoma:

During those 75 minutes, Inhofe said President Barack Obama is disarming the military, is destroying everything good about America and is determined to turn foreign terrorists loose on U.S. soil.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic..._0_GROVEP35689

That's a great service you're doing for your country, Congressman. And when somebody even loonier than you takes your words to heart and tries to attack our president, no doubt you'll plead ignorance.

A lot of Congressmen seem crazy to me. How do these people get elected. Like the big black one who tried to take on the capital hill police, to stuff like you just posted. They say some crazy ****!!!!!

Senator a little harder to reach and those men and women seem brighter to me. But The House is really crazy and filled with a bunch of people who aren't qualified, or smart enough to lead our country.

You're right though rhetoric is at an all time high from repubs right now. Pretty sad what the party is left with after the George Bush Jr experiement.

Still though I think there is a fundamental stance to being a republican that says we don't want more govt, we want less. On that point you should be able to see a real ideoligical reason for the argument even if you don't agree.

[cutthemdown]

Also Rho you didn't care when Obama lied about rosy predictions on the tax revenue to make his budget work and get passed. Politics is always about the ends justifying the means.

We get taught by our dads etc, that the ends don't justify the means. That how you get somewhere is as important as getting there.

In politics today they justify lies because they feel they won't get to the endgame if they don't. The repubs say to themselves, I really believe national healthcare a bad idea. But then they also say because I really convince myself of that fact no matter what I say to win the fight is logical and even moral.

On the other side you have the dems who do the same them. The roles reversed right now but still same deal.

I mean stimulus went from creating jobs, to being measured by jobs it saved. Which can't be measured. Tell me that is not purly political. Also they made rosy predictions on economy to pass budget. Tons of economist said the numbers were total B.S.

The of course all the help for the auto unions but whatever to the victor goes the spoils so I can live with that.

It's all good though by the end of tonights game it regular season mode and no more political talk for me.

See you all in the main room where at least we are all Bronco fans.......or are we still?