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Old 09-01-2009, 09:02 AM   #1
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Default Some stats to ease the pain.....

I pulled these off of http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...4&storyID=9286

Now I know this is preseason and offense and defense are pretty vanilla, but you have to love our special teams play so far. That 1 punt to Hester last week pissed me off, but even the most elite ST units will screw up every once in awhile. And its not like we have to worry about that dude this season.
Not every team has a Hester type player.

OFFENSE:

During Denver’s last two games, QB Kyle Orton has completed 30-of-42 (71.4%) passes for 278 yards with one touchdown and one interception (87.2 rating). He is fourth in the league in completion percentage (67.2%) and sixth in passing yards (367) this preseason.
Rookie WR Kenny McKinley, a fifth-round pick from the University of South Carolina, has caught two passes of at least 50 yards this preseason. He ranks fifth in the league in receiving yards (165) while placing ninth in the NFL in combined yards (274).
DEFENSE:

Against the Bears last week, the Broncos forced seven three-and-outs, including on all four Chicago possessions to open the second half.
ILB D.J. Williams leads Denver in tackles (16) and is one of three Broncos linebackers with at least 12 defensive stops this preseason.
Denver is eighth in the league in total defense, giving up an average of 294.3 yards per game.
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The Broncos lead the NFL in kickoff coverage (14.0 yds., 8-112) through three preseason games.
P Brett Kern is third in the league in gross punting average (47.5 yds.). Rookie P Britton Colquitt, a college free agent from the University of Tennessee, leads all NFL rookies in net punting average (40.3 yds.).
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:05 AM   #2
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The Broncos lead the NFL in kickoff coverage (14.0 yds., 8-112) through three preseason games.
Daaaaaaaaamn! That's new.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:06 AM   #3
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I pulled these off of http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...4&storyID=9286

Now I know this is preseason and offense and defense are pretty vanilla, but you have to love our special teams play so far. That 1 punt to Hester last week pissed me off, but even the most elite ST units will screw up every once in awhile. And its not like we have to worry about that dude this season.
Not every team has a Hester type player.

OFFENSE:

During Denver’s last two games, QB Kyle Orton has completed 30-of-42 (71.4%) passes for 278 yards with one touchdown and one interception (87.2 rating). He is fourth in the league in completion percentage (67.2%) and sixth in passing yards (367) this preseason.
Rookie WR Kenny McKinley, a fifth-round pick from the University of South Carolina, has caught two passes of at least 50 yards this preseason. He ranks fifth in the league in receiving yards (165) while placing ninth in the NFL in combined yards (274).
DEFENSE:

Against the Bears last week, the Broncos forced seven three-and-outs, including on all four Chicago possessions to open the second half.
ILB D.J. Williams leads Denver in tackles (16) and is one of three Broncos linebackers with at least 12 defensive stops this preseason.
Denver is eighth in the league in total defense, giving up an average of 294.3 yards per game.
SPECIAL TEAMS:

The Broncos lead the NFL in kickoff coverage (14.0 yds., 8-112) through three preseason games.
P Brett Kern is third in the league in gross punting average (47.5 yds.). Rookie P Britton Colquitt, a college free agent from the University of Tennessee, leads all NFL rookies in net punting average (40.3 yds.).
Encouraging stats. Flip side: it's only preseason.

Just as I'm not gonna hamstring Orton with preseason stats and win-loss record, I'm not gonna promote the team's good stuff with preseason stats.

But, I do think the team is headed in the right direction on defense. Offense is still a big question mark, but I do think a healthy Moreno will help things out.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:09 AM   #4
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Definitely a smart move by them to avoid including the week one stats in their analysis.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:17 AM   #5
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Definitely a smart move by them to avoid including the week one stats in their analysis.
haha...i was thinking the same thing
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:20 AM   #6
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Definitely a smart move by them to avoid including the week one stats in their analysis.
That would have defeated the whole purpose of the cream puff stat piece.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:22 AM   #7
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Definitely a smart move by them to avoid including the week one stats in their analysis.
And smart to do stuff like this as well:

"Against the Bears last week, the Broncos forced seven three-and-outs, including on all four Chicago possessions to open the second half."

Good to know our starters can perform vs Caleb Hanie and we're willing to gloat about it....
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Outside of what Kenny Petersen thinks on a variety of topics, one of my favorite things I have learned this off-season is that we can draw nothing encouraging from offensive stats if they don't result in points.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:31 AM   #9
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Encouraging stats. Flip side: it's only preseason.

Just as I'm not gonna hamstring Orton with preseason stats and win-loss record, I'm not gonna promote the team's good stuff with preseason stats.

But, I do think the team is headed in the right direction on defense. Offense is still a big question mark, but I do think a healthy Moreno will help things out.
For offense and defense those stats dont carry much weight to me either. Dinkin' and dunkin' doesnt make me too confident along with no turnovers on defense. Our special teams play does make me breath easier though. Everytime we punted or kicked off the last few years had me holding my breath like when Plummer would throw from the pocket. It was just scarry.

I should have titled this thread,"Special teams stat eases pain". As the propaganda from the team site makes me sick.

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Old 09-01-2009, 09:35 AM   #10
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With Orton playing at least a half in all games I can see why he would be high in yardage.

The thing about STATS they can always be manipulated
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The thing about STATS they can always be manipulated

Thats for real. I love the temperature ones. They move it up and down a couple degrees to make the player look undefeated or close to it.


Brett Farve is 30-2 when its below 31 degrees. But he could be 15-10 when its below 25 degrees, or below 40 degrees.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:51 AM   #12
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Outside of what Kenny Petersen thinks on a variety of topics, one of my favorite things I have learned this off-season is that we can draw nothing encouraging from offensive stats if they don't result in points.
Funny. Many on this board claim we had a top 5 offense last season though we were only 16th in pts.
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Brett Farve is 30-2 when its below 31 degrees. But he could be 15-10 when its below 25 degrees
$100 and two lower level seats to any Broncos game if anyone here can demonstrate how both these statements can be possible.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:57 AM   #14
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This should be fun.

Interesting thread, but the Mopey Mafia isn't going to have it. Sit back and watch the trashing begin...
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:59 AM   #15
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Rookie WR Kenny McKinley, a fifth-round pick from the University of South Carolina, has caught two passes of at least 50 yards this preseason. He ranks fifth in the league in receiving yards (165) while placing ninth in the NFL in combined yards (274).

None of them thrown by Orton.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:02 AM   #16
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This should be fun.

Interesting thread, but the Mopey Mafia isn't going to have it. Sit back and watch the trashing begin...
By all means... show us how these stats paint an accurate picture of our team.
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Funny. Many on this board claim we had a top 5 offense last season though we were only 16th in pts.
That is because 16th in points is a team stat, not an offensive stat. Good try though. You have to do better than that if you want to discredit last years offense.
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$100 and two lower level seats to any Broncos game if anyone here can demonstrate how both these statements can be possible.


I just made up numbers


Baseball always uses crazy stats too. He is batting .440 with 2 men on during night games in december (i made that up too, please dont say there is no baseball in december)
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That is because 16th in points is a team stat, not an offensive stat. Good try though. You have to do better than that if you want to discredit last years offense.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

So what, the Defense should have had more INT's for a touchdown?

Last I checked the offense scores points and the defense tries to stop the other team from scoring points.

How is the lack of scoring on anything other than the offense?
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How is the lack of scoring on anything other than the offense?
Special teams and turnovers can make a HUGE difference in offensive scoring. Do you agree that it's easier to put up points when you start drives at the 35-40 on average as opposed to the 10-15 yard line on average? How many times did Denver start drives in the opposition's territory last year?
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Special teams and turnovers can make a HUGE difference in offensive scoring. Do you agree that it's easier to put up points when you start drives at the 35-40 on average as opposed to the 10-15 yard line on average? How many times did Denver start drives in the opposition's territory last year?
Absolutely but let's be honest here man... Don't you think being 32 out of 32 in turnover differential had a little more to do with it?
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

So what, the Defense should have had more INT's for a touchdown?

Last I checked the offense scores points and the defense tries to stop the other team from scoring points.

How is the lack of scoring on anything other than the offense?
When you look at 16th in scoring you are putting the blame for bad defense and special teams on the offense. That rank includes defensive and special teams scores. Go look at how they come up with the totals. Yes, they look far different if you only look at offensive scores.

So explain to me why it is the offenses fault that their defense and special teams didn't help as much as other teams?
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Absolutely but let's be honest here man... Don't you think being 32 out of 32 in turnover differential had a little more to do with it?
Read my first sentence again. I clearly mentioned turnovers.
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Absolutely but let's be honest here man... Don't you think being 32 out of 32 in turnover differential had a little more to do with it?
Which the defense is at fault for. They were one turnover away from having the fewest ever in NFL history. The offense was not on some turnover record pace.
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This should be fun.

Interesting thread, but the Mopey Mafia isn't going to have it. Sit back and watch the trashing begin...
Good post.
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