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Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 07:34 AM

Dealers Still Waiting For Clunker Cash

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Auto makers will release their monthly sales reports Tuesday and they're expected to show the first year-to-year increase since 2007. While the Cash for Clunkers program is getting all the credit, local car dealers are still waiting for their cash.

During the month long program, Billion Automotive sold close to a thousand vehicles but has only been reimbursed for 272 of them. Vern Eide sold over 200 cars and has only been paid for 27 of them, and that's fueling lots of concerns in the auto industry.

Billion Automotive cashed in during Cash for Clunkers, but owner Dave Billion is still waiting for the rest of his money from the government run program, $3.2 million.

"I wonder how long they'd wait if I owed them $3.2 million. I think they'd be at my door or at least my banker's door," Billion said.

Even though Billion is beginning to get some of his reimbursement money, he's still concerned because he says there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the program.

When Cash for Clunkers was first announced, dealers were supposed to be reimbursed within 10 days of a sale. Billion says that hasn't happened.

"The program started in July and we haven't gotten paid for cars we sold back then, but then on the other hand we got paid for a car we sold last week. They don't have an accurate format. It's not like they're taking the first deals that were submitted and working those. I don't know how they're doing it, no idea. I know it's very random" Billion said.

Plus, he's had problems getting some vehicles qualified.

"We had a situation where we had a submission, they rejected it for multiple reasons. We didn't see anything wrong with it, so we resubmitted it. They rejected, we resubmitted it. They rejected it, seven times and finally they paid it, and we never changed a single thing on it," Billion said.

But Billion thinks he'll get his money eventually, it just may take longer than what the government first said.

http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=89419

Rohirrim · 09-01-2009, 07:44 AM

Damn! You're right! We better disband the military forces of the U.S. too! We don't want the gummint running them. Oh yeah, police and fire too. Better put a stop to that. And highways. If only we would turn over everything to private corporations, we'd all be so much better off. The free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free......

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Damn! You're right! We better disband the military forces of the U.S. too! We don't want the gummint running them. Oh yeah, police and fire too. Better put a stop to that. And highways. If only we would turn over everything to private corporations, we'd all be so much better off. The free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free......

Highways are turned over to private companies. It's all contracted out. Police and Fire are fine to be Government run. And the Military is for National Defense. But the idea that the Government handles these areas efficently is LUDI-CHRIS. The Governemnt can't even cut a check on time.

Rohirrim · 09-01-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Highways are turned over to private companies. It's all contracted out. Police and Fire are fine to be Government run. And the Military is for National Defense. But the idea that the Government handles these areas efficently is LUDI-CHRIS. The Governemnt can't even cut a check on time.

They seem to do alright with SSI checks. Maybe we should turn it over to GM? Or Merrill Lynch? Or AIG? Or ENRON? It's so obvious that the private sector does such a better job. Believe me, if the control of highways was turned over to private enterprise, the toll booths would never stop. Isn't it weird that so many elderly people at these town hall meetings are screaming about "government control" of health care (which, of course, doesn't even exist in any bill) and yet when you ask them if we should stop SSI and Medicare they go into cardiac arrest?

Rigs11 · 09-01-2009, 08:09 AM

damn knuckleheads still comparing clunkers to healthcare. Someone please cue the john Stewart clip.

gunns · 09-01-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Highways are turned over to private companies. It's all contracted out. Police and Fire are fine to be Government run. And the Military is for National Defense. But the idea that the Government handles these areas efficently is LUDI-CHRIS. The Governemnt can't even cut a check on time.

In this instance I could care less if they can cut a check on time. The check will go to insurance companies and if they are late, well insurance companies, what goes around comes around. Why do you think they are so up in arms over healthcare. They will be the ones affected. Good.

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 08:30 AM

You guys are killing yourselves. Government can't keep it's promises and it can't keep it's time line. Not a big deal on that road that needs to be repaved. Healthcare? Not so much. Who do we appeal to when the Government is the other end of the contract? The answer is no one. We need reform...but we don't need a government take over.

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

damn knuckleheads still comparing clunkers to healthcare. Someone please cue the john Stewart clip.

Yep...please take you ques from the comedy channel. Good grief.

gunns · 09-01-2009, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You guys are killing yourselves. Government can't keep it's promises and it can't keep it's time line. Not a big deal on that road that needs to be repaved. Healthcare? Not so much. Who do we appeal to when the Government is the other end of the contract? The answer is no one. We need reform...but we don't need a government take over.

Your suggestion then?

Rigs11 · 09-01-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Yep...please take you ques from the comedy channel. Good grief.

the reason its on the comedy channel is because the argument that the right spews is so asnine that it produces instant laughs.the two programs are not even close to being the same. Some jackass on faux news spews it and you parrots instantly use it.good grief indeed.

Rohirrim · 09-01-2009, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You guys are killing yourselves. Government can't keep it's promises and it can't keep it's time line. Not a big deal on that road that needs to be repaved. Healthcare? Not so much. Who do we appeal to when the Government is the other end of the contract? The answer is no one. We need reform...but we don't need a government take over.

Who do you appeal to when your insurance company tells you that they won't cover your pre-existing condition and you're **** out of luck? Hey, at least if government is providing my health care insurance, I can complain to my congressman. With the insurance companies, good luck.

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Who do you appeal to when your insurance company tells you that they won't cover your pre-existing condition and you're **** out of luck? Hey, at least if government is providing my health care insurance, I can complain to my congressman. With the insurance companies, good luck.

That's what you do now to change the laws for individuals life that of group policies. They can't deny existing conditions. You appeal to the government provided there is no conflicit of interest. Government run healthcare is a conflict of interest.

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

the reason its on the comedy channel is because the argument that the right spews is so asnine that it produces instant laughs.the two programs are not even close to being the same. Some jackass on faux news spews it and you parrots instantly use it.good grief indeed.

I don't watch Fox News. You obviously do.

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eltheway32

Your suggestion then?

Change the laws about what and what cannot go in the contract. It's fairly simple.

Rigs11 · 09-01-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I don't watch Fox News. You obviously do.

well thats where your asnine argument got started.then it spread from parrot to parrot.it's what the townhall protesters have been screaming for weeks.

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

well thats where your asnine argument got started.then it spread from parrot to parrot.it's what the townhall protesters have been screaming for weeks.

No Rigs11. My ideas are my own. they don't belong to someone else and they come from 34 years of observation and experience.

I think you are just a little upset that people don't agree with you. As old as you are you shouldn't expect it. You need to better manage your expectations.

Bob · 09-01-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Damn! You're right! We better disband the military forces of the U.S. too! We don't want the gummint running them. Oh yeah, police and fire too. Better put a stop to that. And highways. If only we would turn over everything to private corporations, we'd all be so much better off. The free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free......

Deal with the facts not your emotions...what the government runs -- it generally bankrupts - From Amtrack to the Post office -- all run in the red year after year. Gee, red, is something we have been good at lately...

barryr · 09-01-2009, 04:49 PM

The real bozos watch the comedy channel thinking they are getting legit political talking points. Yes, those political science experts work at the comedy channel. I think MTV has a few too.

Dukes · 09-01-2009, 05:07 PM

People are dying Garcia. How can you vote against govenment run healthcare? You heartless bastard!

Rohirrim · 09-01-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob

Deal with the facts not your emotions...what the government runs -- it generally bankrupts - From Amtrack to the Post office -- all run in the red year after year. Gee, red, is something we have been good at lately...

Let's turn it all over to Wall Street. They're the smartest guys in the cou...

wait a minute...

I'm getting a signal...

snowspot66 · 09-01-2009, 05:34 PM

Who do you want to turn health care over to?

The people who are in it for profit? Please tell me how they aren't going to screw me over.

cutthemdown · 09-01-2009, 05:54 PM

Watch a bunch of the dealers get screwed when the govt says paperwork wasn't right you are rejected.

You think insurance companies are cheap? Sheesh you ain't seen nothing until you been squeezed by ole ebenzer himself good ole Uncle Sam!!!!!!!!

Rohirrim · 09-01-2009, 06:34 PM

Listen, folks. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but there is no such thing as a perfect system. There is no utopia. I don't care if you are talking about government, health care or private enterprise. But we can act on basic premises. Should our basic economic system be capitalism? Sure. It gives the most people the best chance to make their own way in life. Should it be a laissez faire system? Of course not. There are greedy bastards whose goal in life is to take over everything for themselves (if you need examples find a history book).

Should our health care system be "for profit?" No. Not totally. A "for profit" system operates for the enrichment of shareholders and officers of corporations. There are many things we operate which serve us the best but don't make a profit. Collectively we pay for all kinds of museums (art, science, history) museums that couldn't stay open on their own. But as a community, we are willing to pay for them. They enhance our communities. Same with symphony orchestras, parks, ball fields, swimming pools and many other community enhancing endeavors. How about libraries? The invention of Ben Franklin. Just our libraries have made us one of the most educated, innovative countries in world history. Everybody can go through those doors and educate themselves. For free. They have proved their worth beyond argument. We make choices as a society to fund those things that benefit our communities. Health care should be part of that.

Our government was founded on the principle that no system could be perfect and man is an unruly character. The founders separated the powers of government into different branches, split the legislature and split the power between states and a federal government. What they did expect was for Americans to control their government and take active part in it. That's why it is a deep disservice to their memory to make blanket statements like "Government is the problem." That's like saying the people are the problem.

You can't win every election in a democracy. So you should have the good graces to accept the will of the people, rather than be so wrapped up in your ideology that if you don't get the win, you work to sabotage the country out of spite.

Garcia Bronco · 09-01-2009, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dukes

People are dying Garcia. How can you vote against govenment run healthcare? You heartless bastard!

Nobody lives forever.

Spider · 09-01-2009, 08:36 PM

@ all the hard asses here ........real bad mother ****ers .......got me scared .......

09-01-2009, 07:34 AM	#1
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	And you really want to run my Healthcare? Dealers Still Waiting For Clunker Cash -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Auto makers will release their monthly sales reports Tuesday and they're expected to show the first year-to-year increase since 2007. While the Cash for Clunkers program is getting all the credit, local car dealers are still waiting for their cash. During the month long program, Billion Automotive sold close to a thousand vehicles but has only been reimbursed for 272 of them. Vern Eide sold over 200 cars and has only been paid for 27 of them, and that's fueling lots of concerns in the auto industry. Billion Automotive cashed in during Cash for Clunkers, but owner Dave Billion is still waiting for the rest of his money from the government run program, $3.2 million. "I wonder how long they'd wait if I owed them $3.2 million. I think they'd be at my door or at least my banker's door," Billion said. Even though Billion is beginning to get some of his reimbursement money, he's still concerned because he says there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the program. When Cash for Clunkers was first announced, dealers were supposed to be reimbursed within 10 days of a sale. Billion says that hasn't happened. "The program started in July and we haven't gotten paid for cars we sold back then, but then on the other hand we got paid for a car we sold last week. They don't have an accurate format. It's not like they're taking the first deals that were submitted and working those. I don't know how they're doing it, no idea. I know it's very random" Billion said. Plus, he's had problems getting some vehicles qualified. "We had a situation where we had a submission, they rejected it for multiple reasons. We didn't see anything wrong with it, so we resubmitted it. They rejected, we resubmitted it. They rejected it, seven times and finally they paid it, and we never changed a single thing on it," Billion said. But Billion thinks he'll get his money eventually, it just may take longer than what the government first said. http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=89419

09-01-2009, 06:34 PM	#23
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,856	Listen, folks. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but there is no such thing as a perfect system. There is no utopia. I don't care if you are talking about government, health care or private enterprise. But we can act on basic premises. Should our basic economic system be capitalism? Sure. It gives the most people the best chance to make their own way in life. Should it be a laissez faire system? Of course not. There are greedy bastards whose goal in life is to take over everything for themselves (if you need examples find a history book). Should our health care system be "for profit?" No. Not totally. A "for profit" system operates for the enrichment of shareholders and officers of corporations. There are many things we operate which serve us the best but don't make a profit. Collectively we pay for all kinds of museums (art, science, history) museums that couldn't stay open on their own. But as a community, we are willing to pay for them. They enhance our communities. Same with symphony orchestras, parks, ball fields, swimming pools and many other community enhancing endeavors. How about libraries? The invention of Ben Franklin. Just our libraries have made us one of the most educated, innovative countries in world history. Everybody can go through those doors and educate themselves. For free. They have proved their worth beyond argument. We make choices as a society to fund those things that benefit our communities. Health care should be part of that. Our government was founded on the principle that no system could be perfect and man is an unruly character. The founders separated the powers of government into different branches, split the legislature and split the power between states and a federal government. What they did expect was for Americans to control their government and take active part in it. That's why it is a deep disservice to their memory to make blanket statements like "Government is the problem." That's like saying the people are the problem. You can't win every election in a democracy. So you should have the good graces to accept the will of the people, rather than be so wrapped up in your ideology that if you don't get the win, you work to sabotage the country out of spite. Last edited by Rohirrim; 09-01-2009 at 06:55 PM..

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09-01-2009, 07:44 AM	#2
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,856	Damn! You're right! We better disband the military forces of the U.S. too! We don't want the gummint running them. Oh yeah, police and fire too. Better put a stop to that. And highways. If only we would turn over everything to private corporations, we'd all be so much better off. The free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free market will fix everything...the free......

09-01-2009, 08:09 AM	#5
Rigs11 Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,829	damn knuckleheads still comparing clunkers to healthcare. Someone please cue the john Stewart clip.

09-01-2009, 08:30 AM	#7
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	You guys are killing yourselves. Government can't keep it's promises and it can't keep it's time line. Not a big deal on that road that needs to be repaved. Healthcare? Not so much. Who do we appeal to when the Government is the other end of the contract? The answer is no one. We need reform...but we don't need a government take over.

09-01-2009, 04:49 PM	#18
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,269 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The real bozos watch the comedy channel thinking they are getting legit political talking points. Yes, those political science experts work at the comedy channel. I think MTV has a few too.

09-01-2009, 05:07 PM	#19
Dukes Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,317	People are dying Garcia. How can you vote against govenment run healthcare? You heartless bastard!

09-01-2009, 05:34 PM	#21
snowspot66 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,643	Who do you want to turn health care over to? The people who are in it for profit? Please tell me how they aren't going to screw me over.

09-01-2009, 05:54 PM	#22
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,533	Watch a bunch of the dealers get screwed when the govt says paperwork wasn't right you are rejected. You think insurance companies are cheap? Sheesh you ain't seen nothing until you been squeezed by ole ebenzer himself good ole Uncle Sam!!!!!!!!

09-01-2009, 08:36 PM	#25
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	@ all the hard asses here ........real bad mother ****ers .......got me scared .......