Roster Issues: What do we do? - The Orange Mane

meangene · 08-31-2009, 08:01 AM

All these non season-ending injuries and the Marshall suspension really put us in a bind in regard to the final roster. If we put guys on PUP list before final roster cuts they have to miss six weeks as I understand it. But, with so many walking wounded, we are going to be really shorthanded early in the season if we don't put some of these injured players on the list.

WR: We need at least 5 healthy bodies and can't put Marshall on the injured list so what do we do? Looks like Royal, Jackson, Stokley, McKinely and Lloyd make the final 53 along with Marshall and then we put Gafney on PUP.

QB: How bad is Orton's dislocated finger? If he can't go Week 1 and Simms is out 1-2 weeks of the regular season, do we need to carry four QB's? Or, do we put Simms on the PUP and go with Orton, Bradstraiter and, maybe, O'Connell?

OL: Do we put Kuper on PUP? A severe high ankle sprain for a lineman probably means he is not going to be effective for a good 4 weeks anyway.

DE: How injured are Thomas and Smith? We have pretty much no depth other than these two at DE. Do we stash Thomas on PUP and hope we can pick up better depth on waivers after the final cuts and then release him? Or is Smith's undisclosed injury serious?

RB: Do we keep a roster spot for Jordan? Or, go with three healthy RB's week 1 (Hillis, Buckhalter, and Walker) given that Moreno should be ready or close to ready week 1?

It will be very interesting to see what effect all these injuries have on the final roster decisions. Given the secrecy surrounding the injury details, the roster moves will give us a lot more insight.

lex · 08-31-2009, 08:02 AM

I think Walker has played well enough to make it hard to justify keeping Jordan.

meangene · 08-31-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lex

I think Walker has played well enough to make it hard to justify keeping Jordan.

I agree, but do we go with just four backs knowing Moreno is not completely healthy yet and Buckhalter's injury history?

lex · 08-31-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by meangene

I agree, but do we go with just four backs knowing Moreno is not completely healthy yet and Buckhalter's injury history?

Moreno, Hillis, Walker, Buckhalter. Maybe we should bring in a fullback. That was our best running last night.

Bring in RBs as needed.

TheDave · 08-31-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by meangene

All these non season-ending injuries and the Marshall suspension really put us in a bind in regard to the final roster. If we put guys on PUP list before final roster cuts they have to miss six weeks as I understand it. But, with so many walking wounded, we are going to be really shorthanded early in the season if we don't put some of these injured players on the list.

WR: We need at least 5 healthy bodies and can't put Marshall on the injured list so what do we do? Looks like Royal, Jackson, Stokley, McKinely and Lloyd make the final 53 along with Marshall and then we put Gafney on PUP.

QB: How bad is Orton's dislocated finger? If he can't go Week 1 and Simms is out 1-2 weeks of the regular season, do we need to carry four QB's? Or, do we put Simms on the PUP and go with Orton, Bradstraiter and, maybe, O'Connell?

OL: Do we put Kuper on PUP? A severe high ankle sprain for a lineman probably means he is not going to be effective for a good 4 weeks anyway.

DE: How injured are Thomas and Smith? We have pretty much no depth other than these two at DE. Do we stash Thomas on PUP and hope we can pick up better depth on waivers after the final cuts and then release him? Or is Smith's undisclosed injury serious?

RB: Do we keep a roster spot for Jordan? Or, go with three healthy RB's week 1 (Hillis, Buckhalter, and Walker) given that Moreno should be ready or close to ready week 1?

It will be very interesting to see what effect all these injuries have on the final roster decisions. Given the secrecy surrounding the injury details, the roster moves will give us a lot more insight.

Do we know for sure it's dislocated?

meangene · 08-31-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Do we know for sure it's dislocated?

Orton's finger injury puts QB spot on the spot
The Denver Post
Posted: 08/31/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT

Hurry up and heal, Chris Simms.

As the Broncos' quarterback situation stood Sunday night, there was a chance Simms was in position to heal from his left ankle sprain before Kyle Orton was able to recover from his right index finger injury.

Orton had a delayed reaction to his injury, which occurred following an incomplete pass on a third-and-2 play with 5:37 remaining in the first half. NBC cameras showed his right finger bleeding. It then appears his finger was yanked into place. Teammates could hear Orton scream in pain before he was escorted to the locker room.

Afterwards, his right finger was heavily bandaged but he would not reveal specifics of his injury, per instructions of Broncos coach Josh McDaniels.

Will Orton be ready by the season opener Sept. 13 in Cincinnati?

"I'm going to work as hard as I can," Orton said. "I don't know how long I'm going to be out, but mentally I'll be ready to go."

Simms suffered an ankle sprain last week against Seattle, but he is expected to be healed enough to play in a week.

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Sounds like it.

s0phr0syne · 08-31-2009, 08:16 AM

Sad thing I learned about the PUP this year (and presumably last year too, but I forgot in the interim) is that you can't put players on the PUP if they've practiced in training camp.

None of the players you mentioned is eligible, if I understand the rules right, which I might not.

I think we can survive the beginning of the season lighter on WRs if we choose to. I think we're gonna be packing a good number of DBs, and they can pick up the slack ST-wise.

TheDave · 08-31-2009, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meangene

Orton's finger injury puts QB spot on the spot
The Denver Post
Posted: 08/31/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT

Hurry up and heal, Chris Simms.

As the Broncos' quarterback situation stood Sunday night, there was a chance Simms was in position to heal from his left ankle sprain before Kyle Orton was able to recover from his right index finger injury.

Orton had a delayed reaction to his injury, which occurred following an incomplete pass on a third-and-2 play with 5:37 remaining in the first half. NBC cameras showed his right finger bleeding. It then appears his finger was yanked into place. Teammates could hear Orton scream in pain before he was escorted to the locker room.

Afterwards, his right finger was heavily bandaged but he would not reveal specifics of his injury, per instructions of Broncos coach Josh McDaniels.

Will Orton be ready by the season opener Sept. 13 in Cincinnati?

"I'm going to work as hard as I can," Orton said. "I don't know how long I'm going to be out, but mentally I'll be ready to go."

Simms suffered an ankle sprain last week against Seattle, but he is expected to be healed enough to play in a week.

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Sounds like it.

Good God... Really? Orton already sucks, I don't want to think how bad he is with a dislocated finger.

gyldenlove · 08-31-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by meangene

All these non season-ending injuries and the Marshall suspension really put us in a bind in regard to the final roster. If we put guys on PUP list before final roster cuts they have to miss six weeks as I understand it. But, with so many walking wounded, we are going to be really shorthanded early in the season if we don't put some of these injured players on the list.

WR: We need at least 5 healthy bodies and can't put Marshall on the injured list so what do we do? Looks like Royal, Jackson, Stokley, McKinely and Lloyd make the final 53 along with Marshall and then we put Gafney on PUP.

QB: How bad is Orton's dislocated finger? If he can't go Week 1 and Simms is out 1-2 weeks of the regular season, do we need to carry four QB's? Or, do we put Simms on the PUP and go with Orton, Bradstraiter and, maybe, O'Connell?

OL: Do we put Kuper on PUP? A severe high ankle sprain for a lineman probably means he is not going to be effective for a good 4 weeks anyway.

DE: How injured are Thomas and Smith? We have pretty much no depth other than these two at DE. Do we stash Thomas on PUP and hope we can pick up better depth on waivers after the final cuts and then release him? Or is Smith's undisclosed injury serious?

RB: Do we keep a roster spot for Jordan? Or, go with three healthy RB's week 1 (Hillis, Buckhalter, and Walker) given that Moreno should be ready or close to ready week 1?

It will be very interesting to see what effect all these injuries have on the final roster decisions. Given the secrecy surrounding the injury details, the roster moves will give us a lot more insight.

Considering that the PUP list is long closed to the people you mention, that is not an option.

Of course Orton can play in week 1, he just has to learn to open bottles with his eyebrow and suck it up.

If WR is a problem Marshall will be suspended to make room for a healthy body while Gaffney gets up to speed, if Marshall comes around then WR is not an issue.

Kuper will start game 1, dude is a warrior, he just got married, he is no stranger of pain.

We will carry 5 RBs, that was always the plan I think, so Hillis, Walker, Buckhalter, Jordan and Moreno should all make it.

As for DL, we will go with what we have and maybe 1 free agent pick up. Powell and Clemons should make it as backups along with Baker, Thomas and Smith. That makes 8 with starters, and I figure it could get to 9 depending if there is something interesting in in final cuts. (Clemons would then be the odd one out).

I found it interesting that Marshall is listed as the number 1 WR on his position in the depth chart, it seems like they are trying to placate him a bit, I figure he will come around. He has his leverage now, I figure the team will promise him some serious contract negotiations at some point and he will play.

Elway777 · 08-31-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lex

I think Walker has played well enough to make it hard to justify keeping Jordan.

Do you remember the fumble in pre season game with Chicago.

lex · 08-31-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Elway777

Do you remember the fumble in pre season game with Chicago.

If the objective is to gain one yard but not fumble, yeah, Jordan is your man.

s0phr0syne · 08-31-2009, 08:31 AM

According to preseason performance, our RB depth would look something like Hillis > Walker > Buckhalter ............> Jordan.

It's hard to gauge because Buckhalter makes a really nice run/catch every now and then. But I've personally thought Walker has been the most consistent outside of Hillis.

I think he deserves a spot on the roster.

It'll be interesting this year, because I don't see anyone picking Lamont up if he's cut, and then we'll have whatever RB castoffs the Patriots throw out (possibly BenJarvus Green-Ellis) as a reserve pool during the season.

meangene · 08-31-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by s0phr0syne

Sad thing I learned about the PUP this year (and presumably last year too, but I forgot in the interim) is that you can't put players on the PUP if they've practiced in training camp.

None of the players you mentioned is eligible, if I understand the rules right, which I might not..

I tried to look it up but found conflicting information. I saw that anyone could go on the list before the final cuts but had to miss six games and also saw that if they went on it before the first cuts it was permitted. Does anyone have a link to the current rules? If we have to carry all these injured players on our final roster we will be really shorthanded and it will really screw up the numbers at certain positions.

Smiling Assassin27 · 08-31-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Good God... Really? Orton already sucks, I don't want to think how bad he is with a dislocated finger.

Relax...The guy throws a nice ball with his left.

jhns · 08-31-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by meangene

I tried to look it up but found conflicting information. I saw that anyone could go on the list before the final cuts but had to miss six games and also saw that if they went on it before the first cuts it was permitted. Does anyone have a link to the current rules? If we have to carry all these injured players on our final roster we will be really shorthanded and it will really screw up the numbers at certain positions.

Unless it has changed I think it is you can go on the PUP list and return at any time if you are put on before the preseason (maybe its before training camp). If you are put on the PUP after that, you can't play until week 7.

TheDave · 08-31-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Relax...The guy throws a nice ball with his left.

The correct euphemism is "He throws a catchable ball"

Smiling Assassin27 · 08-31-2009, 08:39 AM

The most pressing issue is at qb, obviously. Brandstater's not ready. Pringle is probably even LESS ready that Brandy if that's possible. O'Connell is just a guy, at this point. He's probably no better than the other two if he got run out of town in NE.

If Orton is out for an extended period, we'd best get Rod Smith on the horn, fit him for a jersey number under 20, and have him throw to himself.

Smiling Assassin27 · 08-31-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

The correct euphemism is "He throws a catchable ball"

Only if you're talking about a football..

meangene · 08-31-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by s0phr0syne

Sad thing I learned about the PUP this year (and presumably last year too, but I forgot in the interim) is that you can't put players on the PUP if they've practiced in training camp.

None of the players you mentioned is eligible, if I understand the rules right, which I might not.

I think we can survive the beginning of the season lighter on WRs if we choose to. I think we're gonna be packing a good number of DBs, and they can pick up the slack ST-wise.

I found the rule - you are correct. So, theoretically, we could be carrying Gafney, Marshall, Orton, Simms, Kuper, Moreno, Smith and Thomas on the roster Week 1 and none of them could be active. And, we don't know when they would be active at this point. I can see this really wreaking havoc with the final roster depending on who is out and for how long.

JCMElway · 08-31-2009, 08:46 AM

A lot of issues to continue McD's trial by fire. Having a healthy squad sure would have been a nice way to get an inaugural season going.

Strap yourselves in kids, this could be a bumpy ride. GO BRONCOS!

Garcia Bronco · 08-31-2009, 08:51 AM

Say bye-bye to Woodyard. He's too small to play linebacker and can't turn his hip or is fast enough to play DB.

Elway777 · 08-31-2009, 08:59 AM

Wr,The Broncos should put Gaffney on IR. The Broncos carry 5 receivers in Royal, Marshall, Stokley,Lloyd and McKinley. Marshall can play in week one hopefully if he is not traded. Swift goes on practive squad.

Qb I been calling for the Broncos to trade for Drew Stanton with a 3 round pick. I think should keep 4 Qb . Orton, Simms, Martan and Stanton with Bradstater on practice squad. Cut Martan when Simms is ready to play.

Rb I think the Broncos carry running backs. Morreno, Buckhalter ,Hillis, Jordon, then pick up a return Running back in Adridge or Marus Mason from redskins . Cut Walker because the Broncos can always resign him like Mustard. Also keep a Rb on practice squad.

OL Just keep Kuper on inactive Roster until ready. They might have to keep 9 OL .
Dl Hopefully all players will heathy enough to play. The Broncos keep 7 lineman

TonyR · 08-31-2009, 09:15 AM

Fyi...

Pats make it official with O'Connell
Posted by Mike Florio on August 31, 2009 12:00 PM ET

Despite the possibility of trading him to the Chiefs or the Broncos, the Patriots have followed through with their plan to release quarterback Kevin O'Connell, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft.

The Patriots have announced that O'Connell has been waived.

And so O'Connell's contract will be available to the team with the highest priority in the waiver process. As we pointed out on Sunday, only the Lions and the Rams have a higher position than the Chiefs.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...with-oconnell/

TheReverend · 08-31-2009, 09:20 AM

No need to fight it. We should be embracing the start of the Ingle Martin era in Denver.

GoHAM · 08-31-2009, 09:56 AM

At least now Thursday's game will likely decide the Week 1 starter; Ingle Martin vs. Tom Brandstater, and everyone said there wasn't an open QB competition.

08-31-2009, 08:01 AM	#1
meangene Ring of Famer Offseason Mode Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,075	Roster Issues: What do we do? All these non season-ending injuries and the Marshall suspension really put us in a bind in regard to the final roster. If we put guys on PUP list before final roster cuts they have to miss six weeks as I understand it. But, with so many walking wounded, we are going to be really shorthanded early in the season if we don't put some of these injured players on the list. WR: We need at least 5 healthy bodies and can't put Marshall on the injured list so what do we do? Looks like Royal, Jackson, Stokley, McKinely and Lloyd make the final 53 along with Marshall and then we put Gafney on PUP. QB: How bad is Orton's dislocated finger? If he can't go Week 1 and Simms is out 1-2 weeks of the regular season, do we need to carry four QB's? Or, do we put Simms on the PUP and go with Orton, Bradstraiter and, maybe, O'Connell? OL: Do we put Kuper on PUP? A severe high ankle sprain for a lineman probably means he is not going to be effective for a good 4 weeks anyway. DE: How injured are Thomas and Smith? We have pretty much no depth other than these two at DE. Do we stash Thomas on PUP and hope we can pick up better depth on waivers after the final cuts and then release him? Or is Smith's undisclosed injury serious? RB: Do we keep a roster spot for Jordan? Or, go with three healthy RB's week 1 (Hillis, Buckhalter, and Walker) given that Moreno should be ready or close to ready week 1? It will be very interesting to see what effect all these injuries have on the final roster decisions. Given the secrecy surrounding the injury details, the roster moves will give us a lot more insight.

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08-31-2009, 08:02 AM	#2
lex Bowlen Sold Us Out! The Broncos have been DisemBowlened Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 10,253 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I think Walker has played well enough to make it hard to justify keeping Jordan.

08-31-2009, 08:16 AM	#7
s0phr0syne Symbiotic Absorb and Redirect Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,592 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Sad thing I learned about the PUP this year (and presumably last year too, but I forgot in the interim) is that you can't put players on the PUP if they've practiced in training camp. None of the players you mentioned is eligible, if I understand the rules right, which I might not. I think we can survive the beginning of the season lighter on WRs if we choose to. I think we're gonna be packing a good number of DBs, and they can pick up the slack ST-wise.

08-31-2009, 08:31 AM	#12
s0phr0syne Symbiotic Absorb and Redirect Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,592 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	According to preseason performance, our RB depth would look something like Hillis > Walker > Buckhalter ............> Jordan. It's hard to gauge because Buckhalter makes a really nice run/catch every now and then. But I've personally thought Walker has been the most consistent outside of Hillis. I think he deserves a spot on the roster. It'll be interesting this year, because I don't see anyone picking Lamont up if he's cut, and then we'll have whatever RB castoffs the Patriots throw out (possibly BenJarvus Green-Ellis) as a reserve pool during the season.

08-31-2009, 08:39 AM	#17
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,983 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	The most pressing issue is at qb, obviously. Brandstater's not ready. Pringle is probably even LESS ready that Brandy if that's possible. O'Connell is just a guy, at this point. He's probably no better than the other two if he got run out of town in NE. If Orton is out for an extended period, we'd best get Rod Smith on the horn, fit him for a jersey number under 20, and have him throw to himself.

08-31-2009, 08:46 AM	#20
JCMElway Moderate-erator Dominate! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,867 Adopt-a-Bronco: Oleg	A lot of issues to continue McD's trial by fire. Having a healthy squad sure would have been a nice way to get an inaugural season going. Strap yourselves in kids, this could be a bumpy ride. GO BRONCOS!

08-31-2009, 08:51 AM	#21
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Say bye-bye to Woodyard. He's too small to play linebacker and can't turn his hip or is fast enough to play DB.

08-31-2009, 08:59 AM	#22
Elway777 Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,886	Wr,The Broncos should put Gaffney on IR. The Broncos carry 5 receivers in Royal, Marshall, Stokley,Lloyd and McKinley. Marshall can play in week one hopefully if he is not traded. Swift goes on practive squad. Qb I been calling for the Broncos to trade for Drew Stanton with a 3 round pick. I think should keep 4 Qb . Orton, Simms, Martan and Stanton with Bradstater on practice squad. Cut Martan when Simms is ready to play. Rb I think the Broncos carry running backs. Morreno, Buckhalter ,Hillis, Jordon, then pick up a return Running back in Adridge or Marus Mason from redskins . Cut Walker because the Broncos can always resign him like Mustard. Also keep a Rb on practice squad. OL Just keep Kuper on inactive Roster until ready. They might have to keep 9 OL . Dl Hopefully all players will heathy enough to play. The Broncos keep 7 lineman

08-31-2009, 09:15 AM	#23
TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,593	Fyi... Pats make it official with O'Connell Posted by Mike Florio on August 31, 2009 12:00 PM ET Despite the possibility of trading him to the Chiefs or the Broncos, the Patriots have followed through with their plan to release quarterback Kevin O'Connell, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft. The Patriots have announced that O'Connell has been waived. And so O'Connell's contract will be available to the team with the highest priority in the waiver process. As we pointed out on Sunday, only the Lions and the Rams have a higher position than the Chiefs. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...with-oconnell/

08-31-2009, 09:20 AM	#24
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,026 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	No need to fight it. We should be embracing the start of the Ingle Martin era in Denver.

08-31-2009, 09:56 AM	#25
GoHAM Ring of Famer The Defense is Back! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: County 5 Posts: 1,177 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mitch Unrein	At least now Thursday's game will likely decide the Week 1 starter; Ingle Martin vs. Tom Brandstater, and everyone said there wasn't an open QB competition.