White Supremacy Nut says FBI Trained him as "Provocateur" to Trap People into Arrest

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Hal Turner, a former talk radio host turned blogger and self described white supremacist advocate of murdering Jews who called for former Georgia black Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney to be lynched in 2006 after her controversial confrontation with Capital Hill Police who failed to recongize her inside the Capital, has released a statement through his lawyer claiming he was trained by the FBI as a paid "provocatuer" to stir up strife among groups the government wanted to keep an eye on in order to provoke people into behavior the FBI could arrest them for.

Turner, who managed Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign in New Jersey during the '90's as well as a Libertarian candidate's run for NJ governor, has also been linked to talk radio host Sean Hannity, whose show he has appeared on frequently. He once attempted to get the GOP nomination for a US Congressional seat in NJ. Claiming the FBI paid him from 2002-2007 to stir up problems with various political groups that would cause people to give the FBI an excuse for arrest, Turner is currently being charged with making death threats to Connecticut legislators and judges in Illinois and urging followers to armed insurection in Connecticut. According to Turner, the Green Party, which ran Cynthia McKinney for president, was on the FBI watch list of potential "terrorist" organizations.

This is to long to post all of it and there are multiple links below... here's the partial story and McKinney's email...click the link for the rest: http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/lynchi...d-paid-by-fbi/

August 24, 2009

Lynching of Cynthia McKinney urged by ‘journalist’ trained and paid by FBI

Hal Turner called her ‘a violent, black, racist, b****’ whose lynching would teach other Blacks that ‘white people are tired of your bull****, behave or die’

by David Swanson

Visiting the Bay Area on a five-day fundraising tour for the SF Bay View, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney joins Bay View publisher Willie Ratcliff at a gathering Friday, Aug. 21, at the Black Dot in West Oakland. Two days later, on Aug. 23, she learned that a “journalist” who had called for her lynching in 2006 was working at the time for the FBI. – Photo: Kamau Amen-RaFormer Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney sent an email around on Sunday in which she wrote:

“[I]t has just now come to my attention that a ‘journalist’ who suggested that I be lynched was actually being paid by our own government to say that. Now, when I reported it to the FBI, how in the world was I to know that he was at that time on the FBI’s payroll?”

“Hate blogger” Hal Turner’s lawyer said last week, and prosecutors agreed, that Turner was “trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative” and “worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an ‘agent provocateur’ and was taught by the agency ‘what he could say that wouldn’t be crossing the line.’”

Turner is being charged with making death threats against Connecticut legislators and Illinois judges and is apparently going to claim that his actions were legal because he did the same sort of thing when employed by the FBI. In an Associated Press story published Aug. 18, Katie Nelson writes:

“Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.

“‘But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever,’ [his lawyer] said.”

This story has also been written up by Wired and by The Southern Poverty Law Center, but without the McKinney angle.

McKinney wrote in her email: “Interesting that charges stem from his comments against Connecticut lawmakers and Illinois judges, but not from the threat made against me, a sitting Member of Congress at the time!” And apparently the threat against McKinney was made when Turner admits to having been on the FBI payroll.

More stories on this:

LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,1500548.story

Hartford Courant: http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,1700724.story

Philadelphia Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/a...tedothers.html

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

[Rohirrim]

The Republican Party is turning into nutjob flypaper.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Turner also published the office address of Cynthia McKinney after he called for her to be lynched...yet some people think this deserves First Ammendment protection:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08...y5245588.shtml

August 16, 2009 4:35 PM

Defending Hal Turner's Right To Be A Knucklehead

by Charles Cooper

Earlier this summer, Hal Turner blogged that three federal judges who rejected a National Rifle Association bid to overturn a couple of handgun bans "deserve to be killed." The next day, he followed up with another post including photos of the judges - Frank Easterbrook, Richard Posner and William Bauer of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit - as well as a map of the courthouse where they worked and the location of anti-truck bomb barriers. "Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions," Turner wrote.

Now he is in jail awaiting trial.

Sunday's Washington Post features a must-read piece detailing the Turner case and the attendant First Amendment questions it is going to raise. This is one of those cases guaranteed to test garden-variety lefties and free-speechers. Does the law extend to protecting a right-wing shock jock who declares that a judge ought to be assassinated? Should it? (Even odder, Turner apparently worked as an FBI informant in the past, an affiliation which his attorney says "resulted in numerous lives being saved and sophisticated military hardware from being placed into the black market.")

Martin Garbus, an attorney who has signed on to defend Turner, believes there's a convincing argument to be made that, when all is said and done, Turner still is entitled to First Amendment legal protection. But this is not going to be easy for Garbus, who in the same breath, acknowledges being conflicted.

"Do we have to wait until a murder attempt actually gets underway? Does existing First Amendment law have to be changed, and does there have to be a law that more particularly deals with "true threats"? There are an increasing number of threats that emanate from right-wing radio, television hosts and bloggers, now presenting important First Amendment issues anew. Whichever case goes to the United States Supreme Court will undoubtedly create new law. Nothing has happened to the three judges, although we cannot assume something will not happen. For me, this is a very troublesome and difficult case."

No kidding. The U.S. Attorney, Patrick Fitzgerald in this instance, - he also was the special prosecutor in the Valerie Plame affair - is a hard nose type who has reason to take threats against judges seriously. In 2005, a litigant whose medical malpractice lawsuit was dismissed murdered the husband and mother of U.S. District Judge Joan H. Lefkow, who he also intended to kill.

If you're looking for a legal precedent that might help Turner's chances, Doug Mataconis brings up Brandenburg v. Ohio, a 1969 case where the Supreme Court overturned a Ku Klux Klan speech conviction. Maybe Turner's lawyers will argue that the same legal standard set down by the Supremes should extend to their client. For that matter, they might as well also make the point that the law protects Turner's right to be a knucklehead. "He was just spouting, right?" But is it still hyberbole when you publish a map to the court house where anyone reading his blog could find judges who "deserve to be killed?" Or does that cross a verbal red line that should earn the author a prison term? Your turn to weigh in below.

[footstepsfrom#27]

From the first link:

John Judge, who worked for McKinney, writes of Turner:

“This is the guy who announced a program topic suggesting that Cynthia McKinney be lynched on her way to the polls to vote in 2006 and published her campaign office address on the website. He asked how she would look swinging at the end of a rope and what message it would send to other ‘uppity’ Blacks. I called NJ Homeland Security and FBI at the time …. The FBI agent I spoke to said, ‘We know all about Mr. Turner.’ Looks like they did.”

[Associated Press caption:] “In this Nov. 19, 2005, file photo, radio talk show host Hal Turner speaks to the crowd during his ‘Rally Against Violence’ in Kingston, N.Y. The New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges had training from the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2009. – While Turner’s website is down, another website [AssataShakur.org] has what it claims was posted on Turner’s:

“LYNCHING CONGRESSWOMAN CYNTHIA MCKINNEY: SHOULD IT BE DONE BEFORE HER JULY 18 PRIMARY ELECTION?

“Tune-in to ‘The Hal Turner Show’ this Wednesday evening from 9:00-11:00 PM eastern US time as we talk about this topic!

“Cynthia McKinney is a violent, black, racist, b**** whose official re-election campaign web site calls white people ‘crackers’. As such, on this Wednesday evening’s show I will ask the question ‘Given the prevalence of black crime in America, would it serve the public good to LYNCH Congresswoman McKinney within the next few weeks, while she’s on the campaign trail, so as to send an unmistakable message to other blacks: white people are tired of your bull****, behave or die.”

Now, I realize that this sounds like ordinary civil discourse in tea-partied America, and yet it’s fairly easy to imagine altering it in ways that would have “crossed the line.” For example, Turner might have targeted a Republican, or a Democrat in good standing, or a white person. Surely that would have crossed some line

[Garcia Bronco]

Whether true or not, the lesson here is to not get so emotional that you give the pricks the satisfaction. Always be in control of yourself and they can't beat you.

[broncofan7]

That guy is a nutjob of EPIC proportions............to advocate violence against public officials or anyone for that matter is criminal.........

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by broncofan7

That guy is a nutjob of EPIC proportions............to advocate violence against public officials or anyone for that matter is criminal.........

Bloggers who speak the language have posted that the video had nothing to do with killing whites at all.

This thread is about the FBI's alleged involvement with using a paid nutcase to issue threats to people they deemed members of possible subversive groups, not Nelson Mandella.