I really don't understand the "I miss Jay, Hate McD stuff" - The Orange Mane

prunch · 08-15-2009, 09:42 AM

Cutler wanted out, it was not because of McDaniels ... that's well established.

Hate McDaniels if you must but the fact that we were forced to downgrade at QB ain't the coaches fault. Cutler and his agent engineered his way out of town using the agents pre-made Farve "get out of town" template. Yeah, it does suck and quality QBs aint dime a dozen.

I think some people are acting like lovesick, stalking, dumped boyfriends with trying to blame it on anything else.

That said, Coach needs to handle the QB position ... he is paid well to handle this and put a quality improving NFL team out on the field. I reckon Orton gets another PS game to see if previous optimism of him being capable is anyway true ... otherwise Simms gets his shot.

tsiguy96 · 08-15-2009, 09:47 AM

i agree, but good luck trying to point logic in the direction of the people who think that mcd made jay sit at home and not respond to teh coach/owner/players of the team. i bet mcd bought his plane ticket too?

gotta give the team more than one PS game to iron out the kinks, if game 3 comes around and they still arent playing well, then its time to worrry

Tombstone RJ · 08-15-2009, 09:48 AM

What, you don't want to wallow in misery too? It's the first preseason game under a completely new offensive and defensive system and the Broncos lost by 1 point!! Don't you understand, it's panic time!!

Popps · 08-15-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

What, you don't want to wallow in misery too? It's the first preseason game under a completely new offensive and defensive system and the Broncos lost by 1 point!! Don't you understand, it's panic time!!

Run for your lives!!!

DenverBrit · 08-15-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Run for your lives!!!

Man the lifeboats!!!

Drama queens and children first!!

Br0nc0Buster · 08-15-2009, 10:14 AM

Yeah I dont blame McD for what happened with Cutler, it wasnt his call anyway

But he is the new guy, so it is just easier to blame him and say that he messed it all up since Cutler didnt demand a trade when Shanny was still around

I think Josh will be a good coach, Orton just needs to get his crap together.

KevinJames · 08-15-2009, 10:19 AM

Good luck with this thread I agree but there are so many people who wished Josh McDaniels didn't exist while crying into a pillow last night after 3 INTs that orton threw like our season was over .........

failing to ignore that its just pre-season it doesn't count.

Rohirrim · 08-15-2009, 10:19 AM

WolfpackGuy · 08-15-2009, 10:20 AM

McDaniels was the one who started the whole Cutler drama, wasn't he?

prunch · 08-15-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfpackGuy

McDaniels was the one who started the whole Cutler drama, wasn't he?

Nope, Cutler asked for a trade before McD came to town. The rest was dramatics.

Steve Prefontaine · 08-15-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by prunch

Cutler wanted out, it was not because of McDaniels ... that's well established.

When was this "well established"? You really believe that if Shanahan was still here that Cutler would not be in Denver?

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Originally Posted by prunch

Hate McDaniels if you must but the fact that we were forced to downgrade at QB ain't the coaches fault. Cutler and his agent engineered his way out of town using the agents pre-made Farve "get out of town" template. Yeah, it does suck and quality QBs aint dime a dozen.

The comparison to Farve is awful on so many levels....mainly because Farve and his agent never forced their way off any team.

I actually agree there is no use crying about Cutler being gone, but put some thought into your posts.

SonOfLe-loLang · 08-15-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ECBronco

When was this "well established"? You really believe that if Shanahan was still here that Cutler would not be in Denver?

The comparison to Farve is awful on so many levels....mainly because Farve and his agent never forced their way off any team.

I actually agree there is no use crying about Cutler being gone, but put some thought into your posts.

No, but he asked to be traded once Shanny was fired. I still don't understand why some people don't blame Cutler for the way he handled this situation. He cried, b****ed, and moaned until he got his way. This is what a three year old attempts to do, not a 26 year old.

bfoflcommish · 08-15-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfpackGuy

McDaniels was the one who started the whole Cutler drama, wasn't he?

really

wow

TheDave · 08-15-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by prunch

Cutler wanted out, it was not because of McDaniels ... that's well established.

Hate McDaniels if you must but the fact that we were forced to downgrade at QB ain't the coaches fault. Cutler and his agent engineered his way out of town using the agents pre-made Farve "get out of town" template. Yeah, it does suck and quality QBs aint dime a dozen.

I think some people are acting like lovesick, stalking, dumped boyfriends with trying to blame it on anything else.

That said, Coach needs to handle the QB position ... he is paid well to handle this and put a quality improving NFL team out on the field. I reckon Orton gets another PS game to see if previous optimism of him being capable is anyway true ... otherwise Simms gets his shot.

You never trade guys like cutler for draft picks and guys like Orton... you just don't do it.

Last night we got to see why. It's going to take a little while for that sting to wear off.

WolfpackGuy · 08-15-2009, 10:39 AM

I believe the order of events went something like this:

Shanahan gets fired
McDaniels becomes coach
McDaniels tries to make a play for Cassel
Cutler gets all sorts of asshurt about the trade talks
Cutler asks to be and gets traded
Broncos fans languish in Patheticville for the next 5 years

SonOfLe-loLang · 08-15-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

You never trade guys like cutler for draft picks and guys like Orton... you just don't do it.

Last night we got to see why. It's going to take a little while for that sting to wear off.

I agree with your statement, but this was ultimately bowlen's decision because Cutler had become 100 percent insubordinate. I still personally wished it was salvaged, but what are you gonna do?

Rohirrim · 08-15-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

No, but he asked to be traded once Shanny was fired. I still don't understand why some people don't blame Cutler for the way he handled this situation. He cried, b****ed, and moaned until he got his way. This is what a three year old attempts to do, not a 26 year old.

And he's not done yet. I guarantee it.

DenverBrit · 08-15-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ECBronco

When was this "well established"? You really believe that if Shanahan was still here that Cutler would not be in Denver?

Shanny being fired has nothing to do with McDaniels, but everything to do with Cutler wanting out of Denver.

BroncoMan4ever · 08-15-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WolfpackGuy

McDaniels was the one who started the whole Cutler drama, wasn't he?

oh my god! he answered the phone. the league is full of documented cases of a coach answering the phone and then a player sulking like a 4 year old because his name was brought up in trade talks. this entire offseason has me thinking, maybe the QB class of 2006 was mentally weak. Young can't hold up under the pressure, Jay is mopey and sulks when things don't go his way and then cried like a b**** when his name was brought up in trade talks, Leinart couldn't take the starting job after repeated opportunities and the rest of the class has nothing going on currently.

Taco John · 08-15-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by prunch

Nope, Cutler asked for a trade before McD came to town. The rest was dramatics.

This never happened.

Jason in LA · 08-15-2009, 10:47 AM

I don't see how anybody can be okay with the current situation. It really is horrible. There were obviously issues with the team last year under Shanny, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Bowlen didn't have to trade Cutler. If he didn't Cutler would have shown up and played. He'd still be here and at some point he and McDaniels would have made up and got to the business of playing football. It was a dumb trade.

I wonder if McDaniels ever tried to stop Bowlen from making the trade. If he didn't, then I'd hold him nearly as responsible as Bowlen for that trade. I'm figuring that if he went to Bowlen and said that he needed Cutler and that he'd work it out that Cutler wouldn't have been traded. Who in their right mind would want to start their first head coaching job with Orton at QB instead of Cutler? That's just dumb.

chawknz · 08-15-2009, 10:51 AM

I was missing Jay at first, but now I'm just turned completely against him. Can't wait to boo his ass at the Chicago game.

I'm excited about the opportunities I hope McD gives us. Very nice play calling and who knows, maybe he'll be the real deal. I'm glad most of the off season personnel drama has now ended and we get to see what he's really like as a COACH.

missingnumber7 · 08-15-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason in LA

I don't see how anybody can be okay with the current situation. It really is horrible. There were obviously issues with the team last year under Shanny, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Bowlen didn't have to trade Cutler. If he didn't Cutler would have shown up and played. He'd still be here and at some point he and McDaniels would have made up and got to the business of playing football. It was a dumb trade.

I wonder if McDaniels ever tried to stop Bowlen from making the trade. If he didn't, then I'd hold him nearly as responsible as Bowlen for that trade. I'm figuring that if he went to Bowlen and said that he needed Cutler and that he'd work it out that Cutler wouldn't have been traded. Who in their right mind would want to start their first head coaching job with Orton at QB instead of Cutler? That's just dumb.

Probably the most logical approach to this I have seen on the board.

TheDave · 08-15-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason in LA

I don't see how anybody can be okay with the current situation. It really is horrible. There were obviously issues with the team last year under Shanny, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Bowlen didn't have to trade Cutler. If he didn't Cutler would have shown up and played. He'd still be here and at some point he and McDaniels would have made up and got to the business of playing football. It was a dumb trade.

I wonder if McDaniels ever tried to stop Bowlen from making the trade. If he didn't, then I'd hold him nearly as responsible as Bowlen for that trade. I'm figuring that if he went to Bowlen and said that he needed Cutler and that he'd work it out that Cutler wouldn't have been traded. Who in their right mind would want to start their first head coaching job with Orton at QB instead of Cutler? That's just dumb.

Yeah, that's what I meant to say...

DenverBrit · 08-15-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason in LA

I don't see how anybody can be okay with the current situation. It really is horrible. There were obviously issues with the team last year under Shanny, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Bowlen didn't have to trade Cutler. If he didn't Cutler would have shown up and played. He'd still be here and at some point he and McDaniels would have made up and got to the business of playing football. It was a dumb trade.

I wonder if McDaniels ever tried to stop Bowlen from making the trade. If he didn't, then I'd hold him nearly as responsible as Bowlen for that trade. I'm figuring that if he went to Bowlen and said that he needed Cutler and that he'd work it out that Cutler wouldn't have been traded. Who in their right mind would want to start their first head coaching job with Orton at QB instead of Cutler? That's just dumb.

No, but he did.

When does the crying stop??

08-15-2009, 09:42 AM	#1
prunch Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 358 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I really don't understand the "I miss Jay, Hate McD stuff" Cutler wanted out, it was not because of McDaniels ... that's well established. Hate McDaniels if you must but the fact that we were forced to downgrade at QB ain't the coaches fault. Cutler and his agent engineered his way out of town using the agents pre-made Farve "get out of town" template. Yeah, it does suck and quality QBs aint dime a dozen. I think some people are acting like lovesick, stalking, dumped boyfriends with trying to blame it on anything else. That said, Coach needs to handle the QB position ... he is paid well to handle this and put a quality improving NFL team out on the field. I reckon Orton gets another PS game to see if previous optimism of him being capable is anyway true ... otherwise Simms gets his shot.

08-15-2009, 10:19 AM	#8
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08-15-2009, 09:47 AM	#2
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	i agree, but good luck trying to point logic in the direction of the people who think that mcd made jay sit at home and not respond to teh coach/owner/players of the team. i bet mcd bought his plane ticket too? gotta give the team more than one PS game to iron out the kinks, if game 3 comes around and they still arent playing well, then its time to worrry

08-15-2009, 09:48 AM	#3
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,286 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	What, you don't want to wallow in misery too? It's the first preseason game under a completely new offensive and defensive system and the Broncos lost by 1 point!! Don't you understand, it's panic time!!

08-15-2009, 10:14 AM	#6
Br0nc0Buster 2012 AFC West Champs stiff arming through the playoffs Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,432	Yeah I dont blame McD for what happened with Cutler, it wasnt his call anyway But he is the new guy, so it is just easier to blame him and say that he messed it all up since Cutler didnt demand a trade when Shanny was still around I think Josh will be a good coach, Orton just needs to get his crap together.

08-15-2009, 10:19 AM	#7
KevinJames Not the actor/comedian HA 2012. IT BEGINS. Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,760	Good luck with this thread I agree but there are so many people who wished Josh McDaniels didn't exist while crying into a pillow last night after 3 INTs that orton threw like our season was over ......... failing to ignore that its just pre-season it doesn't count.

08-15-2009, 10:20 AM	#9
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,675	McDaniels was the one who started the whole Cutler drama, wasn't he?

08-15-2009, 10:39 AM	#15
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,675	I believe the order of events went something like this: Shanahan gets fired McDaniels becomes coach McDaniels tries to make a play for Cassel Cutler gets all sorts of asshurt about the trade talks Cutler asks to be and gets traded Broncos fans languish in Patheticville for the next 5 years

08-15-2009, 10:47 AM	#21
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,252	I don't see how anybody can be okay with the current situation. It really is horrible. There were obviously issues with the team last year under Shanny, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now. Bowlen didn't have to trade Cutler. If he didn't Cutler would have shown up and played. He'd still be here and at some point he and McDaniels would have made up and got to the business of playing football. It was a dumb trade. I wonder if McDaniels ever tried to stop Bowlen from making the trade. If he didn't, then I'd hold him nearly as responsible as Bowlen for that trade. I'm figuring that if he went to Bowlen and said that he needed Cutler and that he'd work it out that Cutler wouldn't have been traded. Who in their right mind would want to start their first head coaching job with Orton at QB instead of Cutler? That's just dumb.

08-15-2009, 10:51 AM	#22
chawknz Perennial Pro-bowler Hey now! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	I was missing Jay at first, but now I'm just turned completely against him. Can't wait to boo his ass at the Chicago game. I'm excited about the opportunities I hope McD gives us. Very nice play calling and who knows, maybe he'll be the real deal. I'm glad most of the off season personnel drama has now ended and we get to see what he's really like as a COACH.