Euthanasia - The Orange Mane

Fedaykin · 07-13-2009, 09:12 AM

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TailgateNut · 07-13-2009, 09:17 AM

I am solely responsible for my existance. My life is no one elses' business.

Side Note: I know a few who should consider putting the world out of its' misery due to their existance.

cutthemdown · 07-13-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

I am solely responsible for my existance. My life is no one elses' business.

Side Note: I know a few who should consider putting the world out of its' misery due to their existance.

When did you change your name to afew?

Garcia Bronco · 07-13-2009, 11:24 AM

I see both sides of the argument from an intellectual perspective.

alkemical · 07-13-2009, 11:27 AM

depends on which side of the bed i wake up on.

Fedaykin · 07-13-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I see both sides of the argument from an intellectual perspective.

So, in other words intellectually you agree you have no right over anyone else's life and their choice to end it, but you can't commit to actually follow through and not attempt to subject them to your arbitrary concept of morality?

That's what I read from your statement.

Garcia Bronco · 07-13-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin

So, in other words intellectually you agree you have no right over anyone else's life and their choice to end it, but you can't commit to actually follow through and not attempt to subject them to your arbitrary concept of morality?

That's what I read from your statement.

On second thought I think it should be legal, but I do not believe the Governemnt should be able to force people to die.

Fedaykin · 07-13-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I mean I could justify it for reasons of population control or those that would abuse society through reproduction, but I also feel like it's wrong for the Governemnt or any body of legislation to control the reproductive rights of another.

I think you are confused, we're talking about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

NOT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Garcia Bronco · 07-13-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin

I think you are confused, we're talking about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

NOT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

I was. Doh!

cutthemdown · 07-13-2009, 11:55 AM

Forced euthenasia to bring down medical costs.......Hmmm that might work.

Hotrod · 07-13-2009, 12:03 PM

As long as their taxes are paid I could care less if someone wants out of the big game.

TailgateNut · 07-13-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Forced euthenasia to bring down medical costs.......Hmmm that might work.

cutthemdown · 07-13-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

As long as their taxes are paid I could care less if someone wants out of the big game.

so if they owe taxes they have to live and pay them first?

classic!!!!!

cutthemdown · 07-13-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

You go in for a sore throat, they punch number into a computer. The computer looks at how much tax you have paid over last 5 yrs, your age, how many kids you have, then calculates your worth to society.

It then spits out what doctor can do to treat you.

If it spits out the death card, well, you go straight to a room where you watch Raider games over and over in slow motion. Room has one window, that is 500 feet off the ground. Put a big dumpster out for people to jump in when they can't take it anymore.

By the way if you survive the jump you get lifetime health credits, no one deserves to have to watch Raiders in slow motion more then once in a lifetime.

Hotrod · 07-13-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

so if they owe taxes they have to live and pay them first?

classic!!!!!

With this crazy spending going on in Washington we cant afford slackers

cutthemdown · 07-13-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

With this crazy spending going on in Washington we cant afford slackers

what if the donate some organs or something?

Hotrod · 07-13-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

what if the donate some organs or something?

I guess that would be ok there is a pretty good black market on organs these days. Maybe we should let a doctor open them up and make sure what kind of value the organs have first.....you know just to be safe.

TexanBob · 07-13-2009, 01:25 PM

I believe in a right to self-euthanasia but not doctor assisted. The hypocratic oath is to "do no harm" and helping someone kill themselves violates that ethic and perhaps also the conscience of the care provider.

However, if someone wants to off themselves (owing taxes or not), they should be able to rent a hospital room, be given a tightly-controlled potion and administer this to him or herself, no judgements and no questions asked.

While this happens, no person is allowed to enter the room and the person choosing to die either has to expire in the room or return the potion to the administrator before being allowed to walk out. IOW, I want there to be no way he/she can sneak out with the potion or find some other way where it can be used to murder someone.

gunns · 07-13-2009, 01:25 PM

I put I don't know. I don't feel I have the right to decide for others (thus vote for a law that would make it illegal). I don't know that I could do it and if it were a loved one that would be tough. It has to be their decision.

kappys · 07-13-2009, 02:08 PM

What preconditions would be needed in this scenario?

Many people overdose on potentially lethal medications and present to the hospital for care - often not of their own volition. In such cases care can be forced upon them to save their lives and afterwards treat their depression.

Are we talking about euthanasia only for terminally ill people, or for everybody?

Hotrod · 07-13-2009, 02:19 PM

I kind of like how the options are loaded.

Option A Yes of course. I also like puppys and flowers
Option B No I'm an a-hole

Garcia Bronco · 07-13-2009, 03:01 PM

What about life insurance. If you off-yourself it's null and viod if I am not mistaken.

Fedaykin · 07-13-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kappys

What preconditions would be needed in this scenario?

Many people overdose on potentially lethal medications and present to the hospital for care - often not of their own volition. In such cases care can be forced upon them to save their lives and afterwards treat their depression.

Are we talking about euthanasia only for terminally ill people, or for everybody?

We already have a process for creating a do not resuscitate order, so a similar process could be set up for this. As with a DNR, there would be safe guards (e.g. mental competency screening, terminal condition requirement, etc.)

Fedaykin · 07-13-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

What about life insurance. If you off-yourself it's null and viod if I am not mistaken.

Laws could be amended such that life insurance cannot be revoked if a doctor certifies that the personal is terminally ill. Also, most plans only nullify the policy within a "probation period" to avoid this kind of problem. The last policy I had contained a 24 month suicide clause.

Fedaykin · 07-13-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gunns

I put I don't know. I don't feel I have the right to decide for others (thus vote for a law that would make it illegal). I don't know that I could do it and if it were a loved one that would be tough. It has to be their decision.

So why not support it's legalization (assuming appropriate safeguards to avoid abuse of course). If you are uncomfortable with it, that's fine, but why should others be prevented from exercising their free will when no one else would be harmed?

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07-13-2009, 09:17 AM	#2
TailgateNut Bleedin' orange! .......as much as tebonites Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mile High Posts: 20,018 Adopt-a-Bronco: Howard Griffith	I am solely responsible for my existance. My life is no one elses' business. Side Note: I know a few who should consider putting the world out of its' misery due to their existance.

07-13-2009, 11:24 AM	#4
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I see both sides of the argument from an intellectual perspective.

07-13-2009, 11:27 AM	#5
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	depends on which side of the bed i wake up on.

07-13-2009, 11:55 AM	#10
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,418	Forced euthenasia to bring down medical costs.......Hmmm that might work.

07-13-2009, 12:03 PM	#11
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	As long as their taxes are paid I could care less if someone wants out of the big game.

07-13-2009, 01:25 PM	#18
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	I believe in a right to self-euthanasia but not doctor assisted. The hypocratic oath is to "do no harm" and helping someone kill themselves violates that ethic and perhaps also the conscience of the care provider. However, if someone wants to off themselves (owing taxes or not), they should be able to rent a hospital room, be given a tightly-controlled potion and administer this to him or herself, no judgements and no questions asked. While this happens, no person is allowed to enter the room and the person choosing to die either has to expire in the room or return the potion to the administrator before being allowed to walk out. IOW, I want there to be no way he/she can sneak out with the potion or find some other way where it can be used to murder someone.

07-13-2009, 01:25 PM	#19
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,647 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	I put I don't know. I don't feel I have the right to decide for others (thus vote for a law that would make it illegal). I don't know that I could do it and if it were a loved one that would be tough. It has to be their decision.

07-13-2009, 02:08 PM	#20
kappys Ring of Famer “It will be of little avail to the Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,900	What preconditions would be needed in this scenario? Many people overdose on potentially lethal medications and present to the hospital for care - often not of their own volition. In such cases care can be forced upon them to save their lives and afterwards treat their depression. Are we talking about euthanasia only for terminally ill people, or for everybody?

07-13-2009, 02:19 PM	#21
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	I kind of like how the options are loaded. Option A Yes of course. I also like puppys and flowers Option B No I'm an a-hole

07-13-2009, 03:01 PM	#22
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	What about life insurance. If you off-yourself it's null and viod if I am not mistaken.