Cutler = Grossman? - The Orange Mane

telluride · 07-11-2009, 06:14 PM

Let the dramatic posting begin!

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Cutler takes too many risks on the field?
Posted by Aaron Wilson on July 11, 2009 8:35 PM

Perhaps no young Pro Bowl quarterback has drawn as much criticism as Chicago Bears newcomer Jay Cutler.

Usually, the topic at hand is Cutler's messy breakup from the Denver Broncos.

In this case, though, Cutler is under scrutiny for his tendency to take risks on the field.

After watching tapes and performing a statistical analysis of Cutler's performance over the past three years, KC Joyner of ESPN.com, per Brad Biggs of the Chicago Sun-Times, has drawn some very negative conclusions about the former Vanderbilt star.

"I've said it many times and I'll say it again, Cutler will make Bears fans remember Rex Grossman,'' Joyner writes. "He'll make just as many crazy passes but won't suffer the Grossman fate because Chicago's fan base is so in love with him that they will forgive the nutty throws he makes in ways that they never forgave Grossman. . . .

"Whenever I say Cutler will remind Bears fans of Grossman, they get all up in arms. All Grossman did was take Chicago to their first Super Bowl in years and the Bears fans couldn't run him out of the starting spot quick enough. They'll win with Cutler, but, man, will they grit their teeth when he blows a game or two with his over-the-top risk taking."

Wow.

According to Joyner, Cutler averages one interception or near-interception out of every 20 throws.

Cutler has a 17-20 all-time record as a starter.

He has also passed for 9,024 career yards, 54 touchdowns and 37 interceptions for a cumulative 87.1 quarterback rating.

This from PFT. The articles quoted are here and here. Also, please don't shoot the messenger.

Popps · 07-11-2009, 06:21 PM

Widows in 5......4......3.....2...

Broncos dude · 07-11-2009, 06:24 PM

Enough said. Cutler is nothing special, but is opinion. Go to the playoffs, win a game there. DONT THROW DAMN INTS IN THE RED ZONE. I will take Orton over him any day. F- that overhyped , arrogant ass,. You will never win Cutler with them Wr's. I can't wait till we whoop his ass in 3rd preseason game.

oubronco · 07-11-2009, 06:45 PM

all in just his 3rd year................sheesh

mizzoutigers · 07-11-2009, 06:59 PM

I would hope any educated football fan could see and appreciate the disparity in talent between the two

gyldenlove · 07-11-2009, 07:08 PM

Oh yeah, they are almost identical:

Career rating, Cutler: 87, Grossman, 70

Career yards, Cutler 9000, Grossman, 6000

Career TDs and INTs, Cutler 54/37, Grossman 33/35

Cutler has never had lower than 86 rating in a single season, Grossman has never been better than 75 and has in 6 seasons been above 70, 2 times.

It is scary how similar they are.

Cutler, INT/ATT: 3.0 in 100.
Grossman, INT/ATT: 3.6 in 100.

Cutler TD/ATT: 4.4 in 100.
Grossman TD/ATT: 3.4 in 100.

Yards/att: Cutler, 7.4, Grossman 6.4

lazarus4444 · 07-11-2009, 07:11 PM

Dagmar · 07-11-2009, 07:38 PM

Dagmar · 07-11-2009, 07:40 PM

DaFace · 07-11-2009, 07:44 PM

How silly.

Beantown Bronco · 07-11-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Oh yeah, they are almost identical:

Career rating, Cutler: 87, Grossman, 70

Career yards, Cutler 9000, Grossman, 6000

Career TDs and INTs, Cutler 54/37, Grossman 33/35

Cutler has never had lower than 86 rating in a single season, Grossman has never been better than 75 and has in 6 seasons been above 70, 2 times.

It is scary how similar they are.

Cutler, INT/ATT: 3.0 in 100.
Grossman, INT/ATT: 3.6 in 100.

Cutler TD/ATT: 4.4 in 100.
Grossman TD/ATT: 3.4 in 100.

Yards/att: Cutler, 7.4, Grossman 6.4

Pseudofool · 07-11-2009, 07:49 PM

Joyner isn't saying they are the same players. Only that they are similar in their penchant to take risks. And given that Cutler is moving into a team with far fewer skill players to throw to; a risk-happy QB might be a bigger problem than the Culter-widows are willing to admit.

Northman · 07-11-2009, 07:51 PM

This ought to be good. Let the fanboys flood the gates.

DBroncos4life · 07-11-2009, 07:52 PM

I can't wait till Marshall is gone and I get to read all about how Jaffney is pretty much the same type of WR but he doesn't fumble as much. Which is true because he is never on the football field to fumble the ball but that won't stop the posters from spinning it anyways.

Pseudofool · 07-11-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford

Why is he taking the popcorn out of his mouth? Is it prop-corn?

TonyR · 07-11-2009, 08:12 PM

"I'm basing my Cutler comments on three seasons of Denver tape breakdowns. He's a huge risk-taker and that equates to about 1 in 20 of his passes being an [interception] or near [interception] because of a mistake on his part. He'll win games in the Windy City and when he does, I'll hear it from Bears fans. I just want to hear from those same fans when his risk-taking costs the team a big game and I'll all but guarantee that will happen.''

theAPAOps5 · 07-11-2009, 08:26 PM

Now I am one of the biggest critics of the drunk but I would not compare him to Rex one bit. He has tons more ability.

His biggest problem will be lining up between a line that is a joke compared to what he had and throwing to WR who are crap. He left a good thing because he was a petulant child. Reality will set in.

OCBronco · 07-11-2009, 08:57 PM

Cutler's penchant for risk taking is well noted. Could Shanahan have reigned him in with time? We'll never know.

But if I was a Bears fan, I'd be more worried about his glass jaw. Cutler had, what, 2 or 3 concussions in his first three years in Denver? Playing behind that Bears line next year, I'd be more concerned about that.

SportinOne · 07-11-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OCBronco

Cutler's penchant for risk taking is well noted. Could Shanahan have reigned him in with time? We'll never know.

But if I was a Bears fan, I'd be more worried about his glass jaw. Cutler had, what, 2 or 3 concussions in his first three years in Denver? Playing behind that Bears line next year, I'd be more concerned about that.

You can't just make stuff up because you want to join in on the Cutler-bashing party...

Cutler will do fine... you all need to get over the fact that we got rid of a great talent due to a pissing contest.

footstepsfrom#27 · 07-11-2009, 09:44 PM

Coooooooooool...another Cuthler thread! Just what this place needs.

footstepsfrom#27 · 07-11-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by telluride

According to Joyner, Cutler averages one interception or near-interception out of every 20 throws.

Maybe you should be more careful about posting stats without checking them. Cutler thew 1 pick for every 33 passes. Joyner is wrong.

DBroncos4life · 07-11-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Maybe you should be more careful about posting stats without checking them. Cutler thew 1 pick for every 33 passes. Joyner is wrong.

Well and now fans are saying Cutler had concussions problems. Other then the San Fran game I can't think of other game.

theAPAOps5 · 07-11-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChamp

You can't just make stuff up because you want to join in on the Cutler-bashing party...

Cutler will do fine... you all need to get over the fact that we got rid of a great talent due to a pissing contest.

Are you talking about football or drinking? He is better at one of the 2.

footstepsfrom#27 · 07-11-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Well and now fans are saying Cutler had concussions problems. Other then the San Fran game I can't think of other game.

Short summary of Cutler:

Rookie Year: unecpectedly thrown in as a rookie for 5 games
Year 2: Plays with untreated discease that causes 30 pound weight loss.
Year3: Plays with arguably the worst defense in the NFL.

I hope this guy goes on to superstardom to spite the jackasses in here.

Mr Chatterboodamn · 07-11-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Widows in 5......4......3.....2...

tireless provocateur toolbox in ......1

07-11-2009, 07:49 PM	#12
Pseudofool Cynic at Large Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Solipsism Posts: 2,886 Adopt-a-Bronco: Me?	Joyner isn't saying they are the same players. Only that they are similar in their penchant to take risks. And given that Cutler is moving into a team with far fewer skill players to throw to; a risk-happy QB might be a bigger problem than the Culter-widows are willing to admit. Last edited by Pseudofool; 07-11-2009 at 07:52 PM..

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Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Widows in 5......4......3.....2...

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Broncos dude Solid Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 177	Enough said. Cutler is nothing special, but is opinion. Go to the playoffs, win a game there. DONT THROW DAMN INTS IN THE RED ZONE. I will take Orton over him any day. F- that overhyped , arrogant ass,. You will never win Cutler with them Wr's. I can't wait till we whoop his ass in 3rd preseason game.

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oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,569	all in just his 3rd year................sheesh

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mizzoutigers Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 352	I would hope any educated football fan could see and appreciate the disparity in talent between the two

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gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Oh yeah, they are almost identical: Career rating, Cutler: 87, Grossman, 70 Career yards, Cutler 9000, Grossman, 6000 Career TDs and INTs, Cutler 54/37, Grossman 33/35 Cutler has never had lower than 86 rating in a single season, Grossman has never been better than 75 and has in 6 seasons been above 70, 2 times. It is scary how similar they are. Cutler, INT/ATT: 3.0 in 100. Grossman, INT/ATT: 3.6 in 100. Cutler TD/ATT: 4.4 in 100. Grossman TD/ATT: 3.4 in 100. Yards/att: Cutler, 7.4, Grossman 6.4

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DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,521	I can't wait till Marshall is gone and I get to read all about how Jaffney is pretty much the same type of WR but he doesn't fumble as much. Which is true because he is never on the football field to fumble the ball but that won't stop the posters from spinning it anyways.

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TonyR Franchise Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mid-Atlantic Posts: 15,544	"I'm basing my Cutler comments on three seasons of Denver tape breakdowns. He's a huge risk-taker and that equates to about 1 in 20 of his passes being an [interception] or near [interception] because of a mistake on his part. He'll win games in the Windy City and when he does, I'll hear it from Bears fans. I just want to hear from those same fans when his risk-taking costs the team a big game and I'll all but guarantee that will happen.''

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theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Now I am one of the biggest critics of the drunk but I would not compare him to Rex one bit. He has tons more ability. His biggest problem will be lining up between a line that is a joke compared to what he had and throwing to WR who are crap. He left a good thing because he was a petulant child. Reality will set in.

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OCBronco Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 256 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Cutler's penchant for risk taking is well noted. Could Shanahan have reigned him in with time? We'll never know. But if I was a Bears fan, I'd be more worried about his glass jaw. Cutler had, what, 2 or 3 concussions in his first three years in Denver? Playing behind that Bears line next year, I'd be more concerned about that.

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footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,116 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	Coooooooooool...another Cuthler thread! Just what this place needs.