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Old 07-01-2009, 10:17 PM   #1
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First day of FA. Some thoughts.

1. WTF is Bob Gainey doing?

2. Hossa to CHI on 12-year deal. Enjoy your Western Conference title, Mr. Killericon. Here comes a repeat of the 92 SCF, Pens beat Hawks. Sweet.

3. Rags continue to pay for big names. If Gaborik can stay healthy, though, its a nice shot in the arm for that weak ass offense.

4. Very good 2 year deal for Herc's Caps with Mike Knuble.
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Old 07-02-2009, 01:50 AM   #2
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i like that Colorado went after a Goalie right away. and the guy they got Anderson seems like a good backup. but we need a true starting Goalie.
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Anderson showed that he might have the potential to be a halfway decent starter.

It's a start for you guys.

@ Gainey so far. 5 million for Gionta's 20 goals, not to mention getting hosed in the Gomez deal. I like the Cammalleri move, though.

Devils haven't done anything yet but I kind of like it. Madden was old, Gionta has missed Gomez, and Mike Rupp, although a solid fourth liner, can be replaced (you're welcome SoCal).

It's going to be a young Devils team next season but we have a solid core with guys like Parise, Elias, Zajac, and Langenbrunner so I can't wait.
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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I love hearing people say "Now they can't afford to lock up Kane and Toews"...Yeah, cause a 5.1 cap hit is SO demanding. I did hear a good joke about him, though.

So, since Chicago is so ramped about the Hossa signing, Chiacgo area Starbucks are offering the "Hossa Special". If you ask for it, you get your Coffee without the cup.

Yeah, this is rad. Versteeg, Buff, Bolland, Kane, Toews, Sharp, and Hossa is a pretty good corps of forwards if you ask me. I'd like to see them get a Zubov, but even if they stay pat(with their 11 million in cap room), they're great. Ahhhh...Life's finally good to be a Blackhawks fan. I remember way back when my avatar on here had Ruutu, Havlat and Handzus, as if that was the line that was gonna solve everything.

As far as the hometown Flames go, Bouw is great. Not replacing either Bertuzzi OR Cammy is not. Oh well.

Also, I was floored that Gaborik didn't sign with Vancouver. He bought a house there and his BFF Pavol plays there. Oh well.
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Yeah the Blackhawks are pretty set. Don't listen to morons that don't look at the numbers before they criticize signings.
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How does the cap work, anyways? I heard, and have seen evidence(Kipprusoff's contract), that the cap hit is calculated at the beginning of each season by taking the total $ remaining and dividing it by the seasons remaining...I.E. If I sign player X to a 6 year deal worth $60 million, and pay him 30 in the first year, then his cap hit for year one is $10 million, and then $6 million the subsequent season. If so(I think that's right...) then Hossa is a crazy steal.

Also, playing the line of Cammy-Gomez-Gionta is a thought that makes Zdeno Chara's pants tighten.

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1. WTF is Bob Gainey doing?
I don't know, a lot of these teams are going to be in cap hell, once that cap goes down. Most teams are going to have to offload contracts in the next couple of years.


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2. Hossa to CHI on 12-year deal. Enjoy your Western Conference title, Mr. Killericon. Here comes a repeat of the 92 SCF, Pens beat Hawks. Sweet.
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Obviously we went into this for wingers. Like I've said, it's one of the positives of being in our situation now, as opposed to three years ago, when we were looking for everything and signing seven guys. The No. 1 guy we targeted was Hossa. I got permission to talk to Hossa at the draft. There were three teams, us and two others. Detroit gave me permission, and we started the dialogue at that time. Detroit, if he got signed, they would get compensation. We met with his agent there, at that time, and he was interested in L.A. He said he thinks we could be the next Chicago. But he said, `That's down the road,' and that's fair, that's realistic. He said it was important to go to a 100-point team. I said, `I don't know if we can guarantee that, but you're the type of player we're prepared to commit to.' He was the one player we thought was a top player. I don't know that he's a `mail carrier' type guy, but he's still a top player.

``That dialogue continued until July 1. He was throwing (contract) numbers out there, but it was very vague in terms of numbers. We talked again last night and I got the sense that this was probably going in a different direction. I said, `What would it take?' but we never really got an answer. I think he had his eye on something else already. We thought it was Boston. He told us this morning that it was probably unlikely that he would come here. It wasn't really the 12-year term that got us out of it. It never got to that point. Part of this is that you're frustrated, but the other part is that you want guys like that. I've always said you want guys who want to win first. And you look at Chicago, where they've come in the last seven drafts and where they're at. Chicago, it took six years; we're three years in. That's the process they went through, and then they broke through. We're hoping that if we break through like they did, we can compete (for players) at that level. We were prepared to talk about the cash and the 12 years.
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That's fine, I really don't like giving players 12 year contracts.
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That's fine, I really don't like giving players 12 year contracts.
Naw, see, the payment is front loaded. So most of Hossa's payment is occuring early on, so when it comes time to buy out Hossa' deal when he's 36, it'll cost the Hawks maybe a few million. It's genius. The Red Wings sure know how to do business.
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I don't know, a lot of these teams are going to be in cap hell, once that cap goes down. Most teams are going to have to offload contracts in the next couple of years.




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That's fine, I really don't like giving players 12 year contracts.

I dunno, i would have been fine with malkin or crosby at a 12 year deal.
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How does the cap work, anyways? I heard, and have seen evidence(Kipprusoff's contract), that the cap hit is calculated at the beginning of each season by taking the total $ remaining and dividing it by the seasons remaining...I.E. If I sign player X to a 6 year deal worth $60 million, and pay him 30 in the first year, then his cap hit for year one is $10 million, and then $6 million the subsequent season. If so(I think that's right...) then Hossa is a crazy steal.

Also, playing the line of Cammy-Gomez-Gionta is a thought that makes Zdeno Chara's pants tighten.
You take the total value of the contract and divide by the length and apply the same amount to each year. The cap hit never changes, so Hossa's cap hit will be lower than his salary for the first number of years and then higher than his salaries for the last.
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So now Hossa has to look at the Cup in a Hawks sweater? Poor fella!
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So now Hossa has to look at the Cup in a Hawks sweater? Poor fella!

They've got a gaping hole in goal. Huet's a dog. They'd best enjoy this one shot at glory, as the cap is gonna boomerang them in 2010. As a Wings fan, I still see them with the best defense in the West and the only team that can lose a 40 goal scorer and still contend for the Cup this year. Depth is still there in Detroit with some young blood coming up this year (Helm, Ericsson, Leino, Meech) but we will miss Samuelsson (unless he stays for a hometown discount).

Wings will have about 12 mil to play with in 2010, so we can wait patiently, Mr. Holland.
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They've got a gaping hole in goal. Huet's a dog. They'd best enjoy this one shot at glory, as the cap is gonna boomerang them in 2010. As a Wings fan, I still see them with the best defense in the West and the only team that can lose a 40 goal scorer and still contend for the Cup this year. Depth is still there in Detroit with some young blood coming up this year (Helm, Ericsson, Leino, Meech) but we will miss Samuelsson (unless he stays for a hometown discount).

Wings will have about 12 mil to play with in 2010, so we can wait patiently, Mr. Holland.
I guess right now the Wings have about 5.5 mill for 2009 to use on Hudler and Samuelson if they want to. At least one of the two will stay, and my feeling is Samuelson.

The defense seems set with Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Lilja, Meech, Ericsson and Lebda.

On offense, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Franzen, Holmstrom, Cleary, Leino, Helm, Draper, Maltby are all on board. That leaves 2 gaps, I believe those will be filled by Hudler and Samuelson. I would say there is a chance that Meech or Lilja gets shipped out for a veteran forward, but we will see.
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I dunno, i would have been fine with malkin or crosby at a 12 year deal.
Kings can't dole out 12 year contracts, much less 10 year contracts. They best Dean could have offered Hossa was 7 years due to the fact the laws in California restrict it, so he probably was going to pay a little more per year for a shorter 7 yr contract...California law prohibits any contracts for personal services over 7 years.

For example...

Anze Kopitar signed a 7 year deal last season.
Barry Zito signed for 7 years with the SF Giants.
Gretzky signed for 7 years and then extended it later.
Shaq- Signed a 7 year contract worth 120 million with the Lakers.


If it was possible, I would definitely sign Malkin to a 12 yr contract.
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I guess right now the Wings have about 5.5 mill for 2009 to use on Hudler and Samuelson if they want to. At least one of the two will stay, and my feeling is Samuelson.

The defense seems set with Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Lilja, Meech, Ericsson and Lebda.

On offense, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Franzen, Holmstrom, Cleary, Leino, Helm, Draper, Maltby are all on board. That leaves 2 gaps, I believe those will be filled by Hudler and Samuelson. I would say there is a chance that Meech or Lilja gets shipped out for a veteran forward, but we will see.
I dont see Holland committing more than 1-1.5 mil for SAmmy and I think he's already got offers above that elsewhere. The only way he stays is if he takes a hometown discount, but I think he's gone. Hudler might ask for mil a year but he's a RFA so won't be going anywhere, IMO. I see one D being traded in the Fall and some will depend on whether Lilja's head is right or not. Man, I sure wish we had Quincey still. Don't look now, but we may see the second coming of Bertuzzi if we can get him in around 1 mil.

Like Holland said, our July 1 was in January when we signed Z and Mule for hometown discounts.
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I dont see Holland committing more than 1-1.5 mil for SAmmy and I think he's already got offers above that elsewhere. The only way he stays is if he takes a hometown discount, but I think he's gone. Hudler might ask for mil a year but he's a RFA so won't be going anywhere, IMO. I see one D being traded in the Fall and some will depend on whether Lilja's head is right or not. Man, I sure wish we had Quincey still. Don't look now, but we may see the second coming of Bertuzzi if we can get him in around 1 mil.

Like Holland said, our July 1 was in January when we signed Z and Mule for hometown discounts.
I don't see Bertuzzi coming back, I am pretty sure Holland is not the type to go back to a dud.

Hudler could see an offer sheet in the 3 million per year for 4 years region if we do not get him signed.

Sammy will get about 1.75 per for 4 years.

I think we could take a chance on any of a number of "under" performers who could do with a good year and a shot at UFA again next year, like Ales Kotalik, Tanguay or Kovalev, basicly someone without a cup whom the team can use as motivation, or maybe a Travis Moen to replace Maltby down the line.
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I don't see Bertuzzi coming back, I am pretty sure Holland is not the type to go back to a dud.

Hudler could see an offer sheet in the 3 million per year for 4 years region if we do not get him signed.

Sammy will get about 1.75 per for 4 years.

I think we could take a chance on any of a number of "under" performers who could do with a good year and a shot at UFA again next year, like Ales Kotalik, Tanguay or Kovalev, basicly someone without a cup whom the team can use as motivation, or maybe a Travis Moen to replace Maltby down the line.
Moen or Chad Larose would be nice. I just can't see Huds getting that kind of offer. He's small and gets knocked off the puck too easily, though he could make a non-Wings roster as a 2nd liner, i guess.
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If someone can pay Jeff Finger 4 mill per for 4 years and Sheldon Souray 5+ per, someone can Hudler 3+, he is better than either those players and a power play specialist.
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You take the total value of the contract and divide by the length and apply the same amount to each year. The cap hit never changes, so Hossa's cap hit will be lower than his salary for the first number of years and then higher than his salaries for the last.
Weird...Kipper's number keep going down.

In any event, I disagree with whoever said Huet is a dog. Sure, he's not great, but neither was Khabibulin. I think the Hawks are in great shape.
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Weird...Kipper's number keep going down.

In any event, I disagree with whoever said Huet is a dog. Sure, he's not great, but neither was Khabibulin. I think the Hawks are in great shape.
Huet is no Habi, IMO. Dude is the second coming of Theodore--a one year wonder. He's got game and he showed it in games 4 and 5 of the Wings series, but he also can utterly collapse for games at a time. A weak spot for the Hawks, IMO. Other than that, they're armed for a run at a division title this year, for sure.
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Weird...Kipper's number keep going down.

In any event, I disagree with whoever said Huet is a dog. Sure, he's not great, but neither was Khabibulin. I think the Hawks are in great shape.
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2008-09 Year 1: $8.5 mil
2009-10 Year 2: $7.0 mil
2010-11 Year 3: $7.0 mil
2011-12 Year 4: $6.0 mil
2012-13 Year 5: $5.0 mil
2013-14 Year 6: $1.5 mil
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Above is Kiprusoff's yearly salaries, and his cap hit (35mill/6years=5.8mill)
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They've got a gaping hole in goal. Huet's a dog. They'd best enjoy this one shot at glory, as the cap is gonna boomerang them in 2010. As a Wings fan, I still see them with the best defense in the West and the only team that can lose a 40 goal scorer and still contend for the Cup this year. Depth is still there in Detroit with some young blood coming up this year (Helm, Ericsson, Leino, Meech) but we will miss Samuelsson (unless he stays for a hometown discount).

Wings will have about 12 mil to play with in 2010, so we can wait patiently, Mr. Holland.
Huet is fine, Hawks are making all the right moves, I would like one more big Defenseman not named Chris Chellios.
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