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misturanderson · 06-30-2009, 09:12 AM

Anyone see the discussion between Chris Carter and the other guy about whether or not the Lions would have the number one overall pick next year or not?

The argument against it was essentially that they thought the Lions wouldn't have the #1 overall because that was where the Broncos pick would be. Not to mention that part of the argument they had was that essentially BM was being traded.

Now I may be a bit of a homer, but I don't see how anyone can think that we have downgraded so much that we will have the #1 overall pick.

How have the Chiefs and Raiders improved so much from last year that they will both overtake us? Browns? Bengals? Anyone here actually believe that we are THAT bad?

Or is it just that they only pay attention to the Cutler and Marshall stories and haven't looked into how much we have improved on the worst defensive coaching staff in the league last year as well as the worst safety tandem in possibly the past 10+ years?

BroncoBuff · 06-30-2009, 09:17 AM

It definitely could happen, but it seems unlikely.

Our O-line alone should keep us outta the cellar.

400HZ · 06-30-2009, 09:37 AM

The Broncos, Lions, Rams, and Raiders are my early favorites to pick #1.

At least you'll have a high draft pi.....errrr.

Irish Stout · 06-30-2009, 09:40 AM

Broncos downgrade: QB, maybe one WR.

Broncos maintain: OLine

Broncos Upgrade: RB (assuming they stay healthy), maybe only marginally, but the entire D should be better.

Considering that we had two glaring weaknesses last year - red zone scoring and Defense - an upgrade at RB and revamped D and D strategy cannot hurt us and should equal out a missing QB (IMO) who couldn't get it done in the redzone.

I think the Broncos at worst are equal to the Broncos of last year.

SonOfLe-loLang · 06-30-2009, 09:41 AM

I really don't quite understand it either. No one was saying this pre-Cutler trade and anyone who watched the Broncos last year knows Cutler wasnt responsible for 6 wins (i assume something like 2-14 would earn you the first pick). Assuming Marshall plays, we have top notch talent all around the entire offense (perhaps with the exception of QB, though Orton has proven servicable.) Our defense has NO where to go but up and i think our special teams improved the day McD was hired.

Why the absense of an inconsistant (though talented) QB suddenly makes us the worst team in the NFL is beyond me.

crush17 · 06-30-2009, 09:42 AM

I hate Chris Carter.

Kaylore · 06-30-2009, 09:44 AM

Worse: QB

Better: Coaching, secondary, linebackers, running backs, tight ends, football IQ of players and character.

Same: Defensive line, offensive line, receivers.

Unknown: Special teams.

We went 8-8 last year but we had a cupcake schedule. This year we have (what looks like) a harder schedule but a better team.

Anyone who thinks we will have the number one pick is an idiot. That apparently includes 400HZ.

tsiguy96 · 06-30-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Irish Stout

Broncos downgrade: QB, maybe one WR.

Broncos maintain: OLine

Broncos Upgrade: RB (assuming they stay healthy), maybe only marginally, but the entire D should be better.

Considering that we had two glaring weaknesses last year - red zone scoring and Defense - an upgrade at RB and revamped D and D strategy cannot hurt us and should equal out a missing QB (IMO) who couldn't get it done in the redzone.

I think the Broncos at worst are equal to the Broncos of last year.

i agree. we werent GREAT at scoring last year, but we had an awful D too. the team put up 1/3 of its total points in the first 3 games, after that the offense was highly overrated, so i dont see how this year will be such a downgrade.

azbroncfan · 06-30-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by misturanderson

Anyone see the discussion between Chris Carter and the other guy about whether or not the Lions would have the number one overall pick next year or not?

The argument against it was essentially that they thought the Lions wouldn't have the #1 overall because that was where the Broncos pick would be. Not to mention that part of the argument they had was that essentially BM was being traded.

Now I may be a bit of a homer, but I don't see how anyone can think that we have downgraded so much that we will have the #1 overall pick.

How have the Chiefs and Raiders improved so much from last year that they will both overtake us? Browns? Bengals? Anyone here actually believe that we are THAT bad?

Or is it just that they only pay attention to the Cutler and Marshall stories and haven't looked into how much we have improved on the worst defensive coaching staff in the league last year as well as the worst safety tandem in possibly the past 10+ years?

Broncos pick? Wouldn't Seattle have the overall number 1 pick?

bombquixote · 06-30-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by misturanderson

Not to mention that part of the argument they had was that essentially BM was being traded...

Aren't Chris Carter and BM friends? So maybe these schlubs actually know something about where BM stands.

I smell a holdout.

tsiguy96 · 06-30-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bombquixote

Aren't Chris Carter and BM friends? So maybe these schlubs actually know something about where BM stands.

I smell a holdout.

wont happen, broncos will never get enough compensation to justify trading him.

SonOfLe-loLang · 06-30-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bombquixote

Aren't Chris Carter and BM friends? So maybe these schlubs actually know something about where BM stands.

I smell a holdout.

He's gonna lose money if he sits out the season. Not to mention Denver could still franchise him. Makes no sense for him to hold out for long. Though i wish they'd just resign him.

CHANGSTER · 06-30-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Broncos pick? Wouldn't Seattle have the overall number 1 pick?

Yep. I caught the show last night and they were all completely oblivious to this fact. And oh yeah, Chris Carter is a moron.

misturanderson · 06-30-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

He's gonna lose money if he sits out the season. Not to mention Denver could still franchise him. Makes no sense for him to hold out for long. Though i wish they'd just resign him.

I'm sure it will come in time. Especially around now with all of the rookies needing to be signed, I'm sure they are in no rush to extend Marshall.

Rabb · 06-30-2009, 09:58 AM

the only way we get the #1 pick is if Chicago tanks it hard I thought

vancejohnson82 · 06-30-2009, 10:02 AM

really bad teams end up really bad because of the offensive line...

go ahead and name one team that finished with the worst league record that had a good offensive line

NFLBRONCO · 06-30-2009, 10:02 AM

If BM gets traded I could see a top 10 pick. Denver wouldn't want to pay top 10 money and imo that was part of the reason they traded it. Our D still is weak but, tons of unknown everywhere else. If QB's struggle alot in 09 it will be a long year if they play pretty well I could see 7 to 9 wins.

Only way we have #1 overall pick if we are hit heavy with injuries in key areas.

Rabb · 06-30-2009, 10:08 AM

am I missing the boat here?

I swore we don't have a #1 next year that is ours, we have Chicago's

at least I thought that is how it was

Beantown Bronco · 06-30-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

If BM gets traded I could see a top 10 pick. Denver wouldn't want to pay top 10 money and imo that was part of the reason they traded it.

Only problem with that scenario is BM didn't even hint at being unhappy or wanting to be traded until months after they traded that pick.....so it was never part of their thought process that they might be picking that high because of losing him.

misturanderson · 06-30-2009, 10:10 AM

They were referring to our ORIGINAL pick, yes it is Seattle's now. They were saying that we would have the worst record in the NFL.

NFLBRONCO · 06-30-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Only problem with that scenario is BM didn't even hint at being unhappy or wanting to be traded until months after they traded that pick.....so it was never part of their thought process that they might be picking that high because of losing him.

I'm sorry I put two thoughts together. I do think Denver FO knows it might be a long 09. I do think they traded our pick in 2010 because they didn't want pay #1 money esp possible top 10.

tsiguy96 · 06-30-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

I'm sorry I put two thoughts together. I do think Denver FO knows it might be a long 09. I do think they traded our pick in 2010 because they didn't want pay #1 money esp high.

you honestly believe the team knew they were gonna lose a ton of games this year and thus traded next years pick so they dont have to pay it?

people actually believe this bull****? really?

SoDak Bronco · 06-30-2009, 10:16 AM

God offseason sucks

boltaneer · 06-30-2009, 10:16 AM

You guys won't have the worst record this year.

Beantown Bronco · 06-30-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

I'm sorry I put two thoughts together. I do think Denver FO knows it might be a long 09. I do think they traded our pick in 2010 because they didn't want pay #1 money esp possible top 10.

Cleveland had no problem dealing with that issue this past year. Despite what some say, there are always teams willing to move up.

06-30-2009, 10:02 AM	#17
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,381	If BM gets traded I could see a top 10 pick. Denver wouldn't want to pay top 10 money and imo that was part of the reason they traded it. Our D still is weak but, tons of unknown everywhere else. If QB's struggle alot in 09 it will be a long year if they play pretty well I could see 7 to 9 wins. Only way we have #1 overall pick if we are hit heavy with injuries in key areas. Last edited by NFLBRONCO; 06-30-2009 at 10:10 AM..

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06-30-2009, 09:12 AM	#1
misturanderson Ring of Famer Why not? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: FoCo Posts: 1,641 Adopt-a-Bronco: DemaryiusThomas	NFL Live last night Anyone see the discussion between Chris Carter and the other guy about whether or not the Lions would have the number one overall pick next year or not? The argument against it was essentially that they thought the Lions wouldn't have the #1 overall because that was where the Broncos pick would be. Not to mention that part of the argument they had was that essentially BM was being traded. Now I may be a bit of a homer, but I don't see how anyone can think that we have downgraded so much that we will have the #1 overall pick. How have the Chiefs and Raiders improved so much from last year that they will both overtake us? Browns? Bengals? Anyone here actually believe that we are THAT bad? Or is it just that they only pay attention to the Cutler and Marshall stories and haven't looked into how much we have improved on the worst defensive coaching staff in the league last year as well as the worst safety tandem in possibly the past 10+ years?

06-30-2009, 09:17 AM	#2
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,432 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	It definitely could happen, but it seems unlikely. Our O-line alone should keep us outta the cellar.

06-30-2009, 09:37 AM	#3
400HZ Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,342 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ed Hochuli	The Broncos, Lions, Rams, and Raiders are my early favorites to pick #1. At least you'll have a high draft pi.....errrr.

06-30-2009, 09:40 AM	#4
Irish Stout Ring of Famer Run for it Marty! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,802 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	Broncos downgrade: QB, maybe one WR. Broncos maintain: OLine Broncos Upgrade: RB (assuming they stay healthy), maybe only marginally, but the entire D should be better. Considering that we had two glaring weaknesses last year - red zone scoring and Defense - an upgrade at RB and revamped D and D strategy cannot hurt us and should equal out a missing QB (IMO) who couldn't get it done in the redzone. I think the Broncos at worst are equal to the Broncos of last year.

06-30-2009, 09:41 AM	#5
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,210 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	I really don't quite understand it either. No one was saying this pre-Cutler trade and anyone who watched the Broncos last year knows Cutler wasnt responsible for 6 wins (i assume something like 2-14 would earn you the first pick). Assuming Marshall plays, we have top notch talent all around the entire offense (perhaps with the exception of QB, though Orton has proven servicable.) Our defense has NO where to go but up and i think our special teams improved the day McD was hired. Why the absense of an inconsistant (though talented) QB suddenly makes us the worst team in the NFL is beyond me.

06-30-2009, 09:42 AM	#6
crush17 orange & blue Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 2,654 Adopt-a-Bronco: DT88	I hate Chris Carter.

06-30-2009, 09:44 AM	#7
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,008 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Worse: QB Better: Coaching, secondary, linebackers, running backs, tight ends, football IQ of players and character. Same: Defensive line, offensive line, receivers. Unknown: Special teams. We went 8-8 last year but we had a cupcake schedule. This year we have (what looks like) a harder schedule but a better team. Anyone who thinks we will have the number one pick is an idiot. That apparently includes 400HZ.

06-30-2009, 09:58 AM	#15
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,245 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	the only way we get the #1 pick is if Chicago tanks it hard I thought

06-30-2009, 10:02 AM	#16
vancejohnson82 Drama and Mediocrity I'm Afraid of Ty Law Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newark, NJ Posts: 5,989 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ	really bad teams end up really bad because of the offensive line... go ahead and name one team that finished with the worst league record that had a good offensive line

06-30-2009, 10:08 AM	#18
Rabb Zombie Slayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,245 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	am I missing the boat here? I swore we don't have a #1 next year that is ours, we have Chicago's at least I thought that is how it was

06-30-2009, 10:10 AM	#20
misturanderson Ring of Famer Why not? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: FoCo Posts: 1,641 Adopt-a-Bronco: DemaryiusThomas	They were referring to our ORIGINAL pick, yes it is Seattle's now. They were saying that we would have the worst record in the NFL.

06-30-2009, 10:16 AM	#23
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	God offseason sucks

06-30-2009, 10:16 AM	#24
boltaneer 17 ATTA BABY! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: America's Finest City Posts: 4,065	You guys won't have the worst record this year.