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Old 06-14-2009, 04:09 PM   #1
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Overrated, underrated available head coaches

By Dan Parr
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Overrated: Mike Shanahan


Ex-Broncos coach Mike Shanahan

For some reason it seems that many view Shanahan through a 1999 prism, when he was at the top of his profession after winning back-to-back Super Bowls. Thereís no doubt heís been a great coach for a long time, but his reputation as a mastermind isnít justified by his accomplishments over the past decade. Denver has won only one playoff game since í99 and missed the playoffs the last three seasons, thanks in large part to Shanahanís poor personnel decisions, particularly on defense. The allegations that he became obsessed with his teamís statistical rankings to the point where he was berating players for not scoring enough points, even after wins, was troubling as well. Heís already been mentioned as the front-runner to take over the Redskins or the Cowboys in 2010, and he may be a perfect fit for one of those high-profile clubs. However, those teams would probably be wise not to hand the keys to Shanahan and give him free rein to make all the critical football decisions, as he did in Denver with poor results over the past 10 years.





Underrated: Marty Chokenheimer

Since getting fired by San Diego after the 2006 season, we havenít heard much about Schottenheimer. In fact, despite a .613 career winning percentage over 21 regular seasons as a head coach, it appears teams no longer have any interest in giving him a chance to interview for a job. As the league trends toward giving younger coaches ó some half the age of the 65-year-old Schottenheimer ó top jobs, Schottenheimer has become fossilized as an ancient relic of seasons past. Yet, just three seasons ago, he led the Chargers to a 14-2 record. Of course, his 5-13 record in the postseason also has something to do with teamsí lack of interest in him. As organizations look for long-term stability and moves that will fire up a fan base, taking on a 65-year-old who may only coach for a few more seasons isnít exactly an attractive option. But for a three- to four-year period, which is about how long several recently hired head coaches will last in their new jobs, taking a chance on a proven winner like Schottenheimer could jump-start a struggling team and help to build a foundation that will bring lasting success, perhaps even beyond the three- to four-year window during which heíd be manning the sidelines. Schottenheimer is no longer a marquee head-coaching candidate, but heís deserving of a bit more consideration than heís been receiving lately.







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Old 06-14-2009, 04:51 PM   #2
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Rob, haven't noticed any of your posts about Marshall on Chiefs Planet lately.

I do understand life gets busy sometimes.
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Rob, haven't noticed any of your posts about Marshall on Chiefs Planet lately.

I do understand life gets busy sometimes.
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Old 06-14-2009, 05:33 PM   #4
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honestly, Mike has been overrated since after the super bowl wins.
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I love how he uses the same logic (lack of play off success) to determine that one is over-rated (despite 2 super bowls), and the other is under-rated...

PFT, you've outdone yourselves.
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I can't wait to see the idiots post on this thread.

Yeah, Mike sucks.

Truth is 27-28 teams would wish to have him as their head coach and crave the consistency that Denver has had year in and year out during his tenure.

Save me the bull crap about playoffs and such. We lost to the Colts twice, the Ravens, along with the Steelers. It should be argued that we weren't more talented than any of those teams. In fact the Colts probably win the super bowl if not for the Patriots the two years we lost to them. Denver has had a tough road each year. Yes, we didn't get it done but Mike took our teams farther than any other coach in the league would have given the proper circumstances.

The point also must be made that Shanahan did what he had to do to win. He tried multiple different ways to infuse talent on this roster despite having to annually draft from 20-32 most of his years in the 1st round. He didn't have the opportunities to draft franchise players each year. He threw the dice on some FA/draft picks and won some, lost some. People only remember the failed players and not the success he had through the years. Despite all that he continued to win.

Franchises like Dallas, SF, Miami, Buffalo among others lost their franchise QB's and the team sank in the win/loss column until they were ground into rebuilding clubs. Shanahan's team never rebuilt, almost to a fault. He turned losers like Griese, Beuerlein and Plummer into winners. He could create a potent rushing attack out of virtually street free agent players.

Say what you will about Cutler era but Mike had this team turning the corner again. He had one of the youngest, hottest offenses in the league. While they didn't put up as much points as they could of, that can be attributed to the same youth that was just mentioned, lack of a proven running game which could have been fixed in a offseason, and a defense that didn't force any turnovers. That unit still needed work. Although I am not a Slowik fan, we could have made some moves this offseason which would have put us in a position to have at least an average defense next year. At worst we start morphing into the Colts. What is their average wins over the past 6-8 years? 11 wins per season?

Shanahan was well on his way to having this team back where it needed to be and unfortunately because his squad challenged a year early according to his own accessment in 08', and choked, people (Bowlen, a few idiot fans) had this thought that he really needed to go.

Once again, don't waste my time with the hate fest bashing Shanahan every year since the super bowls. Shanahan did a masterful job in Denver and unfortunately, he wasn't afforded the chance to see his young team climb back up to the top as he got his knees cut out from under him. In the end it will be our loss. He'll win where ever he ends up going and we're going to see how the NFL really is especially for a small market team. Losses will mount, inconsistency will be plentiful and Bowlen has already started to reign his finances in. We'll see how we like it when we run this program like the Bidwell's do in Arizona.

Flame away.

Thank you Mike Shanahan.
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Rob, haven't noticed any of your posts about Marshall on Chiefs Planet lately.

I do understand life gets busy sometimes.

cheefsplanet won't let me post there....

I guess posting about the four decades of futility in KC Cheef land is a big no no....

I understand...... if ya can't beat 'em...






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cheefsplanet won't let me post there....

I guess posting about the four decades of futility in KC Cheef land is a big no no....

I understand...... if ya can't beat 'em...








You only posted the Marshall blip of text that is...well lets say outdated at this point.

You were trolling.

So, how is Marshall doing. I want the update.
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The only real difference between Mike Shanahan and Marty is John Elway.
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The only real difference between Mike Shanahan and Marty is John Elway.

And 15% more nfl brains and a wicked tan.
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And 15% more nfl brains and a wicked tan.
15%

How did you go about quantifying that?
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I want a update.

Ohkay...

The Kansas City Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 16 Seasons.

The Kansas City Chiefs haven't been to a Superbowl in 40 years.

The Kansas City Chiefs have won a total of 3 Playoff Games in 40 years.

The Detroit Lions have won more games over the last two seasons than the chefs and considering they went 0-16.....that says it a lot.

Oh the ENTIRE Cheefs defense had 10 sacks all of last season..

Jared Allen had 14.5 sacks by himself.....

The Chefs traded away the only offensive weapon they had left in Tony Gonzalez...

But cosidering they traded their best defensive player the season before (See Jared Allen)..

Umm oh yea..The only probowler on the O-line wants to be traded aka Brian Waters...

Geez I could go on but you get the idea...I hope...

Oh almost forgot..

The kansas city cheefs gave up the 34th overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft & 15 MILLION DOLLARS for a career back up QB..

Can you say Elvis Bono?




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15%

How did you go about quantifying that?

I made it up ok so basically no mathmatical formula was used but when i typed it but i did put 10% down first and changed it before i pushed submit reply.

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The only real difference between Mike Shanahan and Marty is John Elway.

Gee, marty had Barry Montanilow......

I guess he wasn't enough....

maybe kc shoulda traded for Steve Young instead...




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Ohkay...


Geez I could go on but you get the idea...I hope...

Oh almost forgot..

The kansas city cheefs gave up the 34th overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft & 15 MILLION DOLLARS for a career back up QB..

Can you say Elvis Bono?




This is fun. First of all your own head coach was falling over himself to get our QB. Your description is disingenuousness at best.

This Marshall situation is gearing up to be another nugget of hilarity to the worst offseason I team could ever have. The NFL is laughing, not with you.

This upcoming Broncos team will be worse than the team last year who split the series with one of the worst Chiefs team's in the history of the franchise.
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This is fun. First of all your own head coach was falling over himself to get our QB. Your description is disingenuousness at best.

This Marshall situation is gearing up to be another nugget of hilarity to the worst offseason I team could ever have. The NFL is laughing, not with you.

This upcoming Broncos team will be worse than the team last year who split the series with one of the worst Chiefs team's in the history of the franchise.

You speak from experience
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This upcoming Broncos team will be worse than the team last year who split the series with one of the worst Chiefs team's in the history of the franchise.

Funny how you glossed over the rest of my post...

Funnier the fact that a 8-8 season gets a coach fired in Denver..

BUT

In kc it takes: The Chiefs' 2008 season began with a 1-10 record, with the franchise losing 20 of 21 games over a two-year period to get a new GM & HC...




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Funny how you glossed over the rest of my post...

Funnier the fact that a 8-8 season gets a coach fired in Denver..

BUT

In kc it takes: The Chiefs' 2008 season began with a 1-10 record, with the franchise losing 20 of 21 games over a two-year period to get a new GM & HC...




Yes, I am sure that one single record was the variable. I mean its not like you guys went 7-9 the season before. I am sure it had nothing to do with the lack of post Elway playoff wins and gigantic implosion that left you out of the playoffs. Had the whole thing wrapped up but you couldn't beat the Chiefs.

And all of that fun was BEFORE this hilarious offseason. Outing of the coach, pissed off fans, decent QB out the door, new coach salivating over the Chiefs QB and having to settle for Kyle Orton, this new Marshall goodness.

It someone scripting this or something?
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BTW...

Props for the white trash Broncos version of the Wolf Shirt in your avatar. Please tell me you actually own that and wear it.

http://www.birkoph.com/Wolf_tshirt.htm



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Props for the white trash Broncos version of the Wolf Shirt in your avatar. Please tell me you actually own that and wear it.

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Bump for wolf shirt goodness.
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I have a thread on this. No need to bump this one.
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I have a thread on this. No need to bump this one.
What is done is done. Hopefully you can pick up the pieces and move forward.
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I still think Marty would be an ideal candidate for a rebuilding team. A team full of young players needs fundamentals hammered into them, and the only one who maybe does that better than Marty is Bill Parcells. Speaking of younger, flashier coaches... Sparano/Parcells and Mike Smith were far and away the most successful new head coaches last year and they are old school guys. Tomlin is definitely the most successful of the "next generation" head coaches, but he inherited a very talented team with well established systems and ways of doing things. It's debatable whether he would have the same success as Sparano and Smith in similar situations.
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[size=3]Overrated, underrated available head coaches

By Dan Parr
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Overrated: Mike Shanahan


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For some reason it seems that many view Shanahan through a 1999 prism, when he was at the top of his profession after winning back-to-back Super Bowls. Thereís no doubt heís been a great coach for a long time, but his reputation as a mastermind isnít justified by his accomplishments over the past decade. Denver has won only one playoff game since í99 and missed the playoffs the last three seasons, thanks in large part to Shanahanís poor personnel decisions, particularly on defense. The allegations that he became obsessed with his teamís statistical rankings to the point where he was berating players for not scoring enough points, even after wins, was troubling as well. Heís already been mentioned as the front-runner to take over the Redskins or the Cowboys in 2010, and he may be a perfect fit for one of those high-profile clubs. However, those teams would probably be wise not to hand the keys to Shanahan and give him free rein to make all the critical football decisions, as he did in Denver with poor results over the past 10 years.
Poor results? Come on. He often won 10 games a year. Granted, he lost in the playoffs - usually badly - after a late season fizzle. But, poor results? I think mediocre is a much more appropriate term here.
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The article is just saying Shanny is overrated. It's not saying he's a bad coach or that he can't be successfull again. There is a difference...

Where ever Shanny goes, no owner is gonna give him the power he had with the Broncos. Ask yourself why that is.
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