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Old 06-11-2009, 10:58 AM   #1
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Nick - Hmmmm. Nowhere, really. Neither Jay nor Jake played defense. I think Jake would still be the smarter choice. I liked his game more than most, although I was in New York for part of his stay in Denver. I will say this: When Jake took his shirt off, he had the worst upper body I've ever seen for a pro quarterback. His body is more suited for handball, and he must have figured that out, too.

Jake did help the Broncos get to the AFC title game, and he was mobile. But it didn't work here. Other teams would take him back in a minute. But the Broncos didn't do enough defensively to help him or Cutler. Who would they have drafted if it hadn't been Cutler? Probably another quarterback. Mike Shanahan wanted someone else. He got his man. He and his man are gone.



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Old 06-11-2009, 11:02 AM   #2
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I don't know why... but that font pisses me the **** off every time I read one of your threads.
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We would have still sucked at defense because Shanny ignored it.
And that font is definetly bad.
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Old 06-11-2009, 11:08 AM   #4
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I hate that font....

why would Woody Paige bring up Jake taking off his shirt? seems odd.

"so, whos a better player Lebron or Kobe?"

"shirt on or shirt off?"

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Should I "86" that font?






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I just dont see anyway this thread ends up any other way then badly
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Shanahan had ample opportunity to fix the defense. Think about the difference a guy like Joey Porter (among others) could have meant for a team on the doorstep of a Superbowl.

But, he decided swapping QBs was the answer instead of getting serious about the defense. So, not surprisingly... we are where we are. He's without a job and we're attempting to rebuild the team properly.
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Shanahan had ample opportunity to fix the defense. Think about the difference a guy like Joey Porter (among others) could have meant for a team on the doorstep of a Superbowl.

But, he decided swapping QBs was the answer instead of getting serious about the defense. So, not surprisingly... we are where we are. He's without a job and we're attempting to rebuild the team properly.
i hear what you're saying...

but at the time Plummer was benched, our defense was actually consider top notch (although later we came to find out it wasn't the case)...

he benched Plummer because offensively we were struggling...

i for one am glad it panned out the way it did...we needed wholescale changes...
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why would Woody Paige bring up Jake taking off his shirt? seems odd.
Maybe Woody was just so in awe of Jay's physique, anything else paled in comparison...


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i hear what you're saying...

but at the time Plummer was benched, our defense was actually consider top notch (although later we came to find out it wasn't the case)...

he benched Plummer because offensively we were struggling...

i for one am glad it panned out the way it did...we needed wholescale changes...


Our defense was smoke and mirrors for a long time. Certainly better than what we ended up with after flipping QBs, but we fell apart routinely in our biggest tests.

An argument could have been made that both sides of the ball needed improvement, but there is little doubt that we failed the defensive side of the ball miserably, going from at least a serviceable defense to one of the worst in the league.

And, time marches on. New staff, new players and new hope...
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Old 06-11-2009, 11:39 AM   #11
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Shanny had a good vision on Cutler... For the most part he was right, if he would of found a good Defensive Coach we will be in good Shape right now...
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Shanny had a good vision on Cutler... For the most part he was right, if he would of found a good Defensive Coach we will be in good Shape right now...

He had a good defensive coach with Coyer. Cutting Plummer wasn't the problem. Plummer played his way out of a job - he didn't just get replaced. He earned what he got.

Firing Coyer was the problem. Suddenly, we found out that having a guy who could motivate on defense is just as important as someone who can X and O.
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He had a good defensive coach with Coyer. Cutting Plummer wasn't the problem. Plummer played his way out of a job - he didn't just get replaced. He earned what he got.

Firing Coyer was the problem. Suddenly, we found out that having a guy who could motivate on defense is just as important as someone who can X and O.
In the AFC Championship game Coyer got out Coach and Plummer played behind most of the game.Really when i take a look back at the game Plummer and Rod Smith where the only two playing their hearts out.

Maybe if Champ would of Pick off that ball.....
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In the AFC Championship game Coyer got out Coach and Plummer played behind most of the game.Really when i take a look back at the game Plummer and Rod Smith where the only two playing their hearts out.

Maybe if Champ would of Pick off that ball.....


In the AFC Championship game, it all happened out on the field. It wasn't anything Coyer did or didn't do.

And Jake choked that game away with four turnovers. He played everybody's hearts right out of their chest.

If Jake wasn't such a choke artist in the playoffs, none of this would even be a discussion. Jake was/is his own worst enemy. He knew it too. It's why he gave up on football.

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if Jake Plummer would have played better in 2006 I bet he'd still be a Donk.
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In the AFC Championship game, it all happened out on the field. It wasn't anything Coyer did or didn't do.

And Jake choked that game away with four turnovers. He played everybody's hearts right out of their chest.

If Jake wasn't such a choke artist in the playoffs, none of this would even be a discussion.Jake was/is his own worst enemy.
He was trying to bring us back against a Really Good D,that's why he had those 4 turnovers.If Coyer just didn't get out Coach we would had Run the ball more which was our Strength,not Pass the ball almost every down.

Coyer Choked more than Plummer
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btw, that question was from Nick Webster..

Nate's brother?

If so does he have problems like Nate? Does he work as a bicycle messenger and have his helmet fly off during deliveries? Does he work construction and have his hard hat fly 6 feet off of his head during lunch?

Does he dance when he clocks out?

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Our defense was smoke and mirrors for a long time. Certainly better than what we ended up with after flipping QBs, but we fell apart routinely in our biggest tests.

An argument could have been made that both sides of the ball needed improvement, but there is little doubt that we failed the defensive side of the ball miserably, going from at least a serviceable defense to one of the worst in the league.

And, time marches on. New staff, new players and new hope...
in a nutshell you are correct, without question...

defense was Shanny's failure, not offense...

i was just saying that plummer was benched due to our offensive struggles, not our defense (at the time)...and as i also had stated, we later found out our defense was a fraud...
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in a nutshell you are correct, without question...

defense was Shanny's failure, not offense...

i was just saying that plummer was benched due to our offensive struggles, not our defense (at the time)...and as i also had stated, we later found out our defense was a fraud...
Actually I stated it first, but you are ignoring trhe real issue here....The Font!!!!!
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We would have still sucked at defense because Shanny ignored it.
And that font is definetly bad.
It's not fair to say he ignored it. He just did a terrible job selecting players and coaches on D.
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It's not fair to say he ignored it. He just did a terrible job selecting players and coaches on D.
Fair enough...... but still the point here is how bad the Font is in the thread starter because Shanny, his defense, Plummer and Cutler have been hashed out and we have already picked sides. Bronco Fans vs Bandwagoners
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