James von Brunn and the Free Republic

[frerottenextelway]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../2141655/posts

In case that thread gets deleted, recaps and more info here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...-last-December

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...-back-online]-

A continuing reminder of what is at stake and why the Left needs to continue to stand and fight the pure evil that consumes the fringe Right.

edit: von Brunn is the guy that just got in a shootout at the Holocaust Museum in D.C.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../2141655/posts

In case that thread gets deleted, recaps and more info here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...-last-December

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...-back-online]-

A continuing reminder of what is at stake and why the Left needs to continue to stand and fight the pure evil that consumes the fringe Right.

edit: von Brunn is the guy that just got in a shootout at the Holocaust Museum in D.C.

Weird post.

Calling for "battle" against people like that is a poor choice of words.

Instead of attempting to wrap conservative people in general in the character of this scumbag, you and the other fringe lefties should join everyone else in condemning and publicly loathing his actions.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

Weird post.

Calling for "battle" against people like that is a poor choice of words.

Instead of attempting to wrap conservative people in general in the character of this scumbag, you and the other fringe lefties should join everyone else in condemning and publicly loathing his actions.

I didn't use the word ''battle'', but it would be an appropriate use against the terrorists and terrorists sympathizers that make up that community. They fill the sea with unchartered and unchecked hate and are 'shocked' when terror breaks out from their own.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

I didn't use the word ''battle'', but it would be an appropriate use against the terrorists and terrorists sympathizers that make up that community. They fill the sea with unchartered and unchecked hate and are 'shocked' when terror breaks out from their own.

Its really no different than the environment that spawned Douches like Bill Ayers, although that environment was far more severe and widespread.

The Tim McVeighs of the world operate in tiny packs. They are spurned by the greater masses and end up thriving and plotting in dark corners of subculture. I think that its similar to the environment that spawns people like the Columbine shooters...small groups of socially isolated individuals.

[sisterhellfyre]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

The Tim McVeighs of the world operate in tiny packs. They are spurned by the greater masses and end up thriving and plotting in dark corners of subculture. I think that its similar to the environment that spawns people like the Columbine shooters...small groups of socially isolated individuals.

(Just on a completely side note: there is new information that the shooters at Columbine were not picked-on "goth mafia" loners out for revenge, despite the early characterization spread by the media. Eric Harris and Dylan Kliebold were both mentally ill: one was psychopathic, and the other depressive. They fed on each others' disorders and made them both worse. Their attack wasn't intended to be a shooting at all. They planned on a massive homegrown terrorist bomb attack, very much like Timothy McVeigh, and fell back on the guns only when the bombs didn't work. A link for the details: http://www.slate.com/id/2099203 )

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by sisterhellfyre

(Just on a completely side note: there is new information that the shooters at Columbine were not picked-on "goth mafia" loners out for revenge, despite the early characterization spread by the media. Eric Harris and Dylan Kliebold were both mentally ill: one was psychopathic, and the other depressive. They fed on each others' disorders and made them both worse. Their attack wasn't intended to be a shooting at all. They planned on a massive homegrown terrorist bomb attack, very much like Timothy McVeigh, and fell back on the guns only when the bombs didn't work. A link for the details: http://www.slate.com/id/2099203 )

It makes sense.

The disorders arent an excuse for their behavior. Their disorders, if it is true, could have lead to further isolation and a sense of disconnect, which is made worse by uniting with a like-minded individual. Then they could just wall themselves off and in the heat of adolescent-hormone-fueled madness they could have grown internally violent toward their peers. There is no excuse for this, as a missed diagnosis is not the fault of the injured and the families of the victims.

I would venture a guess and say that McVeigh was a bit of a psychopath as well. He would fit the description of a persion with anti-social tendancies.

[cutthemdown]

So can a psychopath be caught before he kills? Can you treat kids at a young age by looking for the same things you see in teenagers that snap.

Or is being a psychopath something that can not be cured?

If it can't be cured and we decide you identify them young so you can seperate them, would that then lead to a whole other problem?

If trying to fix them isn't the point of all the research, then isn't all the investigating why someone was a freak killer a waste of money?

I mean all these yrs they still research Columbine but does it really help anything?

I'm not sure being a racist even is the root of this. I think crazy killers just seek out something to hate to justify it in there crazy minds.

If it wasn't racism and we all looked the same, I bet it would be something else.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So can a psychopath be caught before he kills? Can you treat kids at a young age by looking for the same things you see in teenagers that snap.

Or is being a psychopath something that can not be cured?

If it can't be cured and we decide you identify them young so you can seperate them, would that then lead to a whole other problem?

If trying to fix them isn't the point of all the research, then isn't all the investigating why someone was a freak killer a waste of money?

I mean all these yrs they still research Columbine but does it really help anything?

I'm not sure being a racist even is the root of this. I think crazy killers just seek out something to hate to justify it in there crazy minds.

If it wasn't racism and we all looked the same, I bet it would be something else.

As a parent , you know when the wiring has gone bad in your kids head , you know the way your children dress , how they inter react with other kids , people etc ......... I give my kids their space and privacy to a point , if I think something is going on , that this is my space bull**** ends .......

[TexanBob]

I guess I'm free to lump every liberal environmentalist in with Earth First and Ted Kaczinski then.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I guess I'm free to lump every liberal environmentalist in with Earth First and Ted Kaczinski then.

you are free to do what ever you want , besides there isnt much left you could do to destroy your reputation ...... you and BarryR 2 peas in a pod

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by sisterhellfyre

(Just on a completely side note: there is new information that the shooters at Columbine were not picked-on "goth mafia" loners out for revenge, despite the early characterization spread by the media. Eric Harris and Dylan Kliebold were both mentally ill: one was psychopathic, and the other depressive. They fed on each others' disorders and made them both worse. Their attack wasn't intended to be a shooting at all. They planned on a massive homegrown terrorist bomb attack, very much like Timothy McVeigh, and fell back on the guns only when the bombs didn't work. A link for the details: http://www.slate.com/id/2099203 )

Considering what a large percentage of the general population can be characterized as suffering some form of mental disorder it doesn't surprise me that these guys have been diagnosed.

A few years ago a study found that as many as 75% of a large group of CEOs tested displayed classical symptomes of schizophrenia, I don't think I know any grad student who doesn't go through periods of depression during their studies.

If you have bubonic plague you have large black boils, if you have leprosy you will have large wounds and tissue necrosis, if you have hepatitis your liver stops working, all these things can be noticed and can be described. There is relatively little doubt if someone has hepatitis or not.

So many people are borderline psychotic, and it can't be quantified or measured, we just wait for them to snap and then we say they had a disorder, or if they don't snap we call them healthy.

[sisterhellfyre]

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

So many people are borderline psychotic, and it can't be quantified or measured, we just wait for them to snap and then we say they had a disorder, or if they don't snap we call them healthy.

Way back when I was in grad school studying clinical psych, our professors told us that it was SUPER common for students to start seeing symptoms of this disorder, that neurosis and the other personality disorder in ourselves. Just to make it even more reassuring, they told us that yes, we were probably right at least to some degree.

The difference, they told us, was not so much what we did as how much we did it. Just about everybody talks to themselves at one point or another... but do we hear "somebody else" talking back when we do? Or do we attribute it to the devil speaking through the neighbor's dog? Or...?

[Rohirrim]

Given the number of Americans currently on psychotropic drugs, including children, I'm surprised we get such a limited number of nutjob explosions.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Given the number of Americans currently on psychotropic drugs, including children, I'm surprised we get such a limited number of nutjob explosions.

Theyre all sedated.

I have always loved the song "fitter, happier" on Radiohead's album OK Computer. Quote: "Fitter, happier, more productive...a pig, in a cage, on antibiotics."

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I guess I'm free to lump every liberal environmentalist in with Earth First and Ted Kaczinski then.

You win.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I guess I'm free to lump every liberal environmentalist in with Earth First and Ted Kaczinski then.

You're free to lump ELF or ALF in with the fringe left, although they tend to be less violence oriented than the fringe right Free Republic crowd as that part of left tends to be very pacifistic.

It seems there are a few here the believe the ''fringe Right'' represents themselves, which is a kind of scary thought to itself. As though the hate doctrine and domestic terrorism sympathy crowd meshes with their own views.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by McSkillet

The Tim McVeighs of the world operate in tiny packs. They are spurned by the greater masses and end up thriving and plotting in dark corners of subculture. I think that its similar to the environment that spawns people like the Columbine shooters...small groups of socially isolated individuals.

Both Roeder and von Brunn were participants in the fringe right atmosphere online. It's not hard to find the places where the terrorist Roeder is being applauded and considered a martyr.

[frerottenextelway]

Scott Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., whom authorities have described as a suspect in Sunday’s fatal shooting here of George Tiller, was once a subscriber and occasional contributor to a newsletter, Prayer and Action News, said Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines who runs the newsletter. Mr. Leach said that he had met Mr. Roeder once, and that Mr. Roeder had described similar views to his own on abortion.

Commenting on Dr. Tiller’s death, Mr. Leach said, “To call this a crime is too simplistic.” He added, “There is Christian scripture that would support this."

To steal a line, the only difference between this crowd and the taliban is 8,000 miles.

[gyldenlove]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

To steal a line, the only difference between this crowd and the taliban is 8,000 miles.

That is absolutely wrong, this crowd doesn't wear towels on their heads.

[TexanBob]

Well, since everyone at Free Republic is now a Jew-hating Nazi-symping right-wing extremist, I suppose it is fair to say that everyone at the Huffington Post is a murdering lesbian who kills their lovers in fits of rage. Yeah, I think that's a fair comparison.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Yeah, I think that's a fair comparison.

You would. Because apparently you can't seperate a horrific crime from agenda driven terrorism.

[frerottenextelway]

Left-wing violence

[frerottenextelway]

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Well, since everyone at Free Republic is now a Jew-hating Nazi-symping right-wing extremist, I suppose it is fair to say that everyone at the Huffington Post is a murdering lesbian who kills their lovers in fits of rage. Yeah, I think that's a fair comparison.

From the article (holy cow!):

Carol Anne Burger (pictured), 57, an openly lesbian columnist for The Huffington Post, murdered her ex-partner by stabbing her 222 times with a screwdriver and then committed suicide by shooting herself in the head last week.

[cutthemdown]

Texanbob smacking ferrottes weak ass **** out of da park.

Both left and right have crazies. To even argue religious zealots more dangerous then left wing anarchists is silly.

Crazy radical people= dangerous

Doesn't matter which they swing to, they have swung off the sane map.