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View Poll Results: Who has the BEST Offensive line in the league
Broncos 39 63.93%
Broncos one year from now 15 24.59%
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:00 AM   #1
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Both Clady and Weigmann got serious All-Star awards, and Harris was placed on at least one All-Star team ... Kuper is solid, and Hamilton is considered one of the best zone-blocking guards in the league.

Dallas is the obvious choice with 4 Pro-Bowlers, but Flozell is 35 this year.
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:23 AM   #2
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I picked one year from now, but the problem is that I don't know if Weigmann is gonna be around next year.
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:25 AM   #3
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I picked one year from now, but the problem is that I don't know if Weigmann is gonna be around next year.
that's why Lichtnsteiger is here.
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:27 AM   #4
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that's why Lichtnsteiger is here.
Good points .... wish we wouldda kept Chris Myers. He had some buzz for one All-Star team, might've been Yahoo Sports.

Anybody remember who put Ryan Harris on their All-Pro team ... was is John Clayton? Maybe Zimmerman?
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that's why Lichtnsteiger is here.
Lichtensteiger is sort of an unknown, don't you think?
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Lichtensteiger is sort of an unknown, don't you think?
Kory's a Shanahan guy ... remember Josh just drafted two interior linemen.

I always liked Chris Myers ... f'er was suiting up from Day 1 as a rookie.
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:42 AM   #7
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Dallas has the most overrated line in football. They're good, but Dallas is going to send a lot of folks to the pro-bowl simply by virtue of who they are (that there are a lot of ex-cowboys sprinkled through the media helps even more).

That said, I know for sure that the Broncos have the best tackles in the league. I think Kuper is tremendous (and is only going to get better). If Wiegeman plays like he did last year, I think it's the best group in the league.
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Old 06-07-2009, 02:43 AM   #8
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that's why Lichtnsteiger is here.
I hope you're right, but just because we have him doesn't mean he's going to be able to play at an elite level if Wiegman goes down (which is what would be required to qualify as the best line in the NFL).

I voted for us right now, because I think the cowboys are a little overrated, I'm a homer and Lichtnsteiger is too much of an unknown to vote for a year from now.
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The "one year from now" has two advantages: Our guys will have Josh's system down, and Flozell will be 36.
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The "one year from now" has two advantages: Our guys will have Josh's system down, and Flozell will be 36.
The Cowboys aren't the only competition.
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:57 AM   #11
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The "one year from now" has two advantages: Our guys will have Josh's system down, and Flozell will be 36.
The Cowboys OL was an average line living off former glory last year, they don't even deserve to be in this discussion.

I'd say its between us, New England, the Giants, the Eagles, and the Panthers. Thats your top five right there.

With NE I think Mankins and Light (when healthy) are elites, and the rest are all well above average. By and large they're very familiar with their system which is a huge plus. They're top tier in both run and pass situations, but can be exposed when each guy is put out on an island against elite pass rushers, but then what line doesn't have that weakness.

The Giants only have one guy I'd consider elite, Sean O'Hara, but they work as one hell of a cohesive unit and do so in both phases. Like the Pats very few of their OL can handle being isolated against an elite pass rusher, but thankfully for them they seem to stockpile the DLs who qualify for that title.

Philly should be interesting. For their roles I'd say Peters and both Andrews boys are potentially elite. If they get '07 Jason Peters and the second Andrews brother steps in without them missing a hitch they're better than last year's already top 5 OL. But there has been some risk engendered in hoping that both guys can hit the ground running. From a talent standpoint they're better than both of the previous units, but they've got some legitimate questions about if they can put it all together from day one.

Then there's Carolina. I don't think its overselling to say that Jordan Gross is a top 5 OT in this league, that Travelle Wharton isn't far behind as an OG, that Jeff Otah is one of hte best young RTs in the NFL himself, and that Ryan Kalil might be the best center in the league under 30. The only one of their starting five over 28 is Keydrick Vincent, the weakest link in the group (and still not particularly a slouch). They've got above average size on the left and freakish size on the right, which they've used to run roughshod over the league much of last year.

To me thats your #1 OL right there. From a talent standpoint we stack up with Carolina pretty well, but Ham and Weigmann also mean we're older at a few key spots, and we're making some significant tweaks to the offensive system while counting on the excellent years from Clady and Harris to not just be one year wonders while Carolina is just worrying about a sophomore slump from one guy (Otah).

I think we beat the Pats and Giants on talent alone, and even with a pair of sophs and a pair of over 30's we're still more proven than Philly's significantly overhauled line. Carolina though, its hard to say we're better than them and not feel like a homer afterwards.
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Top post. Agree re the Cowboys, living off past glory. While they still run the ball well, the reason they fell apart down the stretch was because they couldn't protect Romo....
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I think that most on the board are overestimating how good the line is. It good but not great. It shows promise on pass protection but still struggles with run blocking and short yardage power running plays. Add it the lack of depth and it far from elite. It in the upper tier of o-lines but far from the best in the league.
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I think this year will define how great our Offensive line is. With Cutler (he saved them on many occasions because of his mobility) gone and a somewhat slower Kyle Orton projected behind center we will see how well our offensive line can hold up. That said..a few more sacks wont change the fact that they are very good. I wait to see just how good.
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I wouldn't say putting 3 guys in the Pro Bowl two years running is "past" glory ... Leonard Davis just arrived in Dallas two years ago. And I for one kinda like non-Pro Bowler RT Mark Colombo, one of the better right tackles.

Leonard Davis's reincarnation from disappointing OT to Pro-Bowl OG seems like the kind of the change maybe George Foster could use. They're both damn tall for guards, but both had similar disappointing first few years at OT. Drek, you think Foster might do well with such a change in Cleveland?
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Giants and then Carolina. Dallas is borderline top 10. Not enough athleticism.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:36 AM   #17
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Tennessee is strongly underrated, they have a top set of tackles and some very good interior run blocking.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:47 AM   #18
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Dallas has the most overrated line in football. They're good, but Dallas is going to send a lot of folks to the pro-bowl simply by virtue of who they are (that there are a lot of ex-cowboys sprinkled through the media helps even more).

That said, I know for sure that the Broncos have the best tackles in the league. I think Kuper is tremendous (and is only going to get better). If Wiegeman plays like he did last year, I think it's the best group in the league.

The Dallas line is always overrated. In fact, just about every position in Dallas is overrated every year. Its just the way it is. Its the same way in the NBA with the Knicks and Lakers, and the same way in soccer with Man U. Whether or not they are good, they are overrated still.

The Broncos definitely have the best young line in the league. Maybe the best period.
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I wouldn't say putting 3 guys in the Pro Bowl two years running is "past" glory ... Leonard Davis just arrived in Dallas two years ago. And I for one kinda like non-Pro Bowler RT Mark Colombo, one of the better right tackles.

Leonard Davis's reincarnation from disappointing OT to Pro-Bowl OG seems like the kind of the change maybe George Foster could use. They're both damn tall for guards, but both had similar disappointing first few years at OT. Drek, you think Foster might do well with such a change in Cleveland?
Dallas is incredibly one dimensional though. Davis is a standout run blocking OG, but he's mediocre in pass pro. The same holds true for Adams at this point in his career. Gurode is the only standout guy in both pass and run situations, and I don't think he's really the #1 OC in the NFC (I'd take Sean O'Hara over him for instance). Then you have Marc Colombo who has put together a few decent years now but hasn't really established himself as an elite OT by any stretch, and Kyle Kosier who's just an ok starter.

They're weak in a lot of facets of protection, and its a big reason why their team struggled so much last year.

As for George Foster, he's a scrub. Dude outright doesn't want it bad enough and has never put in the work on his fundamentals. As a result he's now nearly 30 and still plays with less refinement and technique than what a half dozen rookie OTs showed last year. Moving inside won't solve his problems, going to the CFL where his athletic advantages are enough to get by on will.
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I'm gonna have to go with NE with Brady coming back.

I'm expecting Denver's OL to take a step back with Orton or Simms and more pocket passing, and the YPC on the ground to diminish against significantly more 8 in the box fronts.

I'd rank:

NE
NYG
Tenn
Indy
NO
Philly
SD
Car
Dallas
Atl
AZ
Den
Cle
Mia
Chi
Minn
Hou
Jets
TB
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Wash
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Jax
KC
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Cinci
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Oak
9ers
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Did I get them all?
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Lichtensteiger is sort of an unknown, don't you think?
yes but when we drafted him he was ranked as the best C prospect in that draft, and has been being groomed for 2 years now. at the worst we will have a well prepared guy who knows his role inside and out and can perform at least decently.
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I'd rank:

NE
NYG
Tenn
Indy
NO
Philly
SD
Car
Dallas
Atl
AZ
Den
Cle
Mia
Chi
Minn
Hou
Jets
TB
Balt
GB
Sea
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KC - 26
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Cinci
St Louis
Oak
9ers
Detroit
Oh how the mighty chefs O-line has crumbled .....
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Oh how the mighty chefs O-line has crumbled .....
Also, if this years crop of rookie OTs is nearly as good as the past couple years, StLouis, Cinci, Balt, and Jax can fly up...
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Giants and then Carolina. Dallas is borderline top 10. Not enough athleticism.
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New Englands OL is pretty good.
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