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Old 05-29-2011, 02:33 AM   #276
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Then he would be judged on the fact that his intent was to execute the kid.
If I remember my criminal law course oh so many years ago, that's the defense of impossibility. In that case, it doesn't matter what you intend if you cannot accomplish it. In that case, they might charge him with defacing a corpse.
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Old 05-29-2011, 02:40 AM   #277
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Just a bad situation all around. I don't really like putting people in prison who are not a threat to law abiding citizens. Also though you dont get to play executioner and judge in the USA. So I understand the verdict, but don't like it. I think its too long a sentence for someone who only shoots people who rob him.
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Old 05-29-2011, 07:24 AM   #278
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I wouldn't have found him guilty. The video says all. The kid got what he deserved.
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Old 05-29-2011, 01:12 PM   #279
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As much as I didn't mind the outcome, it looked pretty guilty to me. Not sure why they went without the option of manslaughter though. Not sure who the governor is but letting him out after a short sentence would be justified. The defendent didn't look for the trouble as the trouble came to him. He just couldn't control himself after the fact. He did save all of us from being a victim from the dead kid though. He was a hero to many for that part.
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Old 05-29-2011, 02:10 PM   #280
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As much as I didn't mind the outcome, it looked pretty guilty to me. Not sure why they went without the option of manslaughter though. Not sure who the governor is but letting him out after a short sentence would be justified. The defendent didn't look for the trouble as the trouble came to him. He just couldn't control himself after the fact. He did save all of us from being a victim from the dead kid though. He was a hero to many for that part.
I first thought the same thing until I read the full news report.

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Old 05-30-2011, 07:45 AM   #281
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I wouldn't have found him guilty. The video says all. The kid got what he deserved.
When did Armed Robbery become a Capital Crime?
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Old 05-30-2011, 12:51 PM   #282
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When did Armed Robbery become a Capital Crime?
About the time all the stand your ground laws came to be.
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:14 PM   #283
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When did Armed Robbery become a Capital Crime?
Could be when you bought the weapon, but most when one pull it on someone with the intent to harm someone else with one. Which is what the little turd did.

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Old 05-30-2011, 01:49 PM   #284
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His mistake was not turning his camera off.
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Old 05-30-2011, 02:19 PM   #285
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One less piece of **** on this planet now. Good job.

Edit: Saw the guy who killed that trash is the one ****ed due to the pansy ass jury. I was referred to the dead piece of ****, not the guy who threw it away.

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Old 06-01-2011, 03:23 PM   #286
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One less piece of **** on this planet now. Good job.

Edit: Saw the guy who killed that trash is the one ****ed due to the pansy ass jury. I was referred to the dead piece of ****, not the guy who threw it away.
Yikes. It's easy to fall under the influence of anyone at age 16, dude couldn't even vote, yet we all decide he deserved to be murdered. And yes, it was plainly murder.

Sorry to bring this up from the tomb, but dayum.
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Old 06-01-2011, 03:54 PM   #287
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This case is definitely one of the reasons we have laws and a court system. It's a very gray area the judge and jury are forced to make a decision on. Was the guy right or did he overstep his rights as a citizen to defend himself? IMHO the guy probably didn't need to plug the kid with 5 more holes after intitially shooting the kid. Once the kid was down, he could have disarmed the kid and then called the cops and let the cops then deal with the situation. Unfortunately, he chose to "finish off" the robber and that is where he crossed the line. We, as civilized citizens, have to know when it is ok to shoot someone and when it is best to let the judicial and penal system take over. Granted, sometimes it's hard to make the right decision but this is what separates us from the animals.

If I was the judge I'd give the guy a very light sentence and then a few years of probation. His life is already destroyed, what is there left to prove?
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This case is definitely one of the reasons we have laws and a court system. It's a very gray area the judge and jury are forced to make a decision on. Was the guy right or did he overstep his rights as a citizen to defend himself? IMHO the guy probably didn't need to plug the kid with 5 more holes after intitially shooting the kid. Once the kid was down, he could have disarmed the kid and then called the cops and let the cops then deal with the situation. Unfortunately, he chose to "finish off" the robber and that is where he crossed the line. We, as civilized citizens, have to know when it is ok to shoot someone and when it is best to let the judicial and penal system take over. Granted, sometimes it's hard to make the right decision but this is what separates us from the animals.

If I was the judge I'd give the guy a very light sentence and then a few years of probation. His life is already destroyed, what is there left to prove?
Knowledgeable take, great post. It's hard to put myself in his shoes. I'm not saying I wouldn't have shot him, but 5 more after he's got one in the head is pretty intense.
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Old 06-01-2011, 06:15 PM   #289
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Dumbass Pharmacist. He did it wrong.

Still, one less criminal on the streets in the Parker boy.

I would feel bad for his parents but they are clearly douchebag parents that don't know how to ****ing raise a child.
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I keep thinking back to that scenario in the Battle of Falujah so many moons ago when the Marine went into a mosque (I believe it was) and an injured guy was laying against the wall, nearly unconscious. The guy moved the slightest bit and the Marine shot him and it was all caught on camera.

That Marine didn't face any charges at all. Meanwhile, this guy who has never been trained to deal with the stresses of a gunfight was found guilty. I hate the ruling.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:22 PM   #291
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A person also commits the crime of murder in the first degree, regardless of malice, when that person or any other person takes the life of a human being during, or if the death of a human being results from, the commission or attempted commission of murder of another person, shooting or discharge of a firearm or crossbow with intent to kill, intentional discharge of a firearm or other deadly weapon into any dwelling or building as provided in Section 1289.17A of this title, forcible rape, robbery with a dangerous weapon, kidnapping, escape from lawful custody, first degree burglary, first degree arson, unlawful distributing or dispensing of controlled dangerous substances, or trafficking in illegal drugs.
This pharmacist, while he crossed the line, most likely prevented a capital crime from being committed and most likely saved those involved who influenced this child to commit armed robbery.

So while he took the life of one, he may have inadvertently saved the lives of others including himself.

The only thing we know for absolute certain is that this Parker kid will never threaten anyone ever again.

Does the pharmacist deserve his punishment? Legally, unequivocally yes and the jury was absolutely correct in its verdict. Morally however, it is another story. People react to hostile situations differently. THis guy was clearly initially frightened, then survival instincts kicked in, then rage set in and retribution was in order (in his mind). It is very hard to judge the man because you were not in his situation and you cannot know, until it happens to you, exactly how you will react.

My initial reaction of watching the video was "Good for the pharmacist", and that is because I believe in my gut that my reaction - while possibly different - would be similar to his own. I can sit back after reading about the law and listening to others and wonder if he did do the right thing but your gut reaction of watching that video is probably going to resemble closer your actual reaction had the events happened to you.

I doubt very seriously that many people felt sympathy for that kid on first viewing and I suspect that most, whether they admit it or not, are on the pharmacist's side even if they cannot give any logical reasoning behind it and knowing in hindsight that legally he was in the wrong.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:16 PM   #292
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The right to defend yourself does not excuse you from being punished for having a temper. The storekeeper left the store, came back in, got ANOTHER gun and proceeded to shoot the kid 5 more times. What kept him from taking the unconscious robbers gun, therein assuring his safety and waiting for the police?
The man was unable to control his bloodlust, he came back and commited a premeditated act by unloading 5 rounds into an incapacitated child. Once the threat to his person was removed after the first shot, his following actions were no longer in self-defense. Although this crime was not committed in cold blood, it's still murder in my opinion. Not 1st degree though.
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Old 06-03-2011, 08:32 AM   #293
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Jerome Ersland notes from Jail...
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:01 AM   #294
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He wrote he had been in his cell only five minutes when the sheriff brought him legal papers notifying him Parker's mother had filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against him and the pharmacy. “She wants everything I have” and “the Reliable owners have,” he wrote.

Talk about adding insult to injury.....someone really needs to off her too. The world would be a better place.
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