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Old 05-23-2009, 07:26 PM   #26
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Alright just got back and thought it was great. Whoever thinks the plot had inconsistency with the previous films, please PM whatever you're talking about because I didn't notice any...

I even like how they slid in GNR "You Could Be Mine" from the T2 soundtrack.

And the characters lack depth? Well, that's kind of fine because the characters have been in decades worth of movies so they already have established depth and connections with the viewers.

Honestly, wtf? How does someone not like this movie?
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:19 PM   #27
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i was wanting to , but i will take your advice ..... How about fast and Furious 4 ? My wife wants to see that , I was thinking of taking her ( part of our lets work out our problems instead of divorce things)
I thought it was pretty good..non stop action start to finish!!
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:37 PM   #28
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Great movie, I recommend watching it.
The first portions of the movie reminded me of the Mad Max movies. I like that kind of setting.
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recommend it.

first half is better than the second.

but much better than t 3
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If not, wait for the DVD. Talk about a letdown.
I agree. As a fan of the series, I was disappointed. Its similar in feel to 'Transformers', and really doesnt do justice to the Terminator franchise.
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Saw it. AWFUL movie, don't waste your money.
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Honestly, wtf? How does someone not like this movie?
Bad acting. Laughable action. Boring plot. Everything seems to be on fire for no reason. It was just a bad movie all around.
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Bad acting. Laughable action. Boring plot. Everything seems to be on fire for no reason. It was just a bad movie all around.
I'm guessing this was your first Terminator movie then...?
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I'm guessing this was your first Terminator movie then...?
T3 took the carnage lightly by using a tongue-and-cheek presentation, and it served the movie better. The previous Terminator movies were great because they created meaningful action around a solid, sophisticated plot that had you guessing whether or not the machines could actually dictate the future by killing young Connor. The plot was deep and rich and the action was awe-inspiring. Remember, T2 featured the first real character whose defining feature was computer generated..which was great symbolism in itself. This movie had nothing of that significance, and it didnt look at itself in humor like T3, but instead presented a cheap Mad Max wannabe without near the style or character.
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I'm guessing this was your first Terminator movie then...?
Ha, no. I have no problem with Terminator-like movies, this one just failed to get me to suspend my disbelief. There were too many moments where I thought, "now that's just ridiculous." While a movie like Star Trek invited you to overlook its obvious ludicrous bits by winking at the audience every now and then, Terminator was all retarded all the time. There were no 'please allow us to insult your intelligence' moments.
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T3 took the carnage lightly by using a tongue-and-cheek presentation, and it served the movie better. The previous Terminator movies were great because they created meaningful action around a solid, sophisticated plot that had you guessing whether or not the machines could actually dictate the future by killing young Connor. The plot was deep and rich and the action was awe-inspiring. Remember, T2 featured the first real character whose defining feature was computer generated..which was great symbolism in itself. This movie had nothing of that significance, and it didnt look at itself in humor like T3, but instead presented a cheap Mad Max wannabe without near the style or character.
...but we already know the plot. It's been in all movies and in the TV show.

What more do you want them to do? Change it so you have something to think about?

As for the acting... the acting in this one was better than all the other three combined, not that that's saying much.

It's a terminator movie... it's shoot em up and have fun watching great action scenes. How was that not evident when you bought your ticket?!?
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Ha, no. I have no problem with Terminator-like movies, this one just failed to get me to suspend my disbelief. There were too many moments where I thought, "now that's just ridiculous." While a movie like Star Trek invited you to overlook its obvious ludicrous bits by winking at the audience every now and then, Terminator was all retarded all the time. There were no 'please allow us to insult your intelligence' moments.
Without any spoilers, please expand on that.

If you need to use spoilers, just PM it to me. I really have no idea what people disliked...

My ONE issue with it... the T-800s wore doo-rags... wtf...
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It's a terminator movie... it's shoot em up and have fun watching great action scenes. How was that not evident when you bought your ticket?!?
That's why I said that I liked the way that T3 was handled better. The action sequences were intentionally over-the-top so as to make them a bit humorous. It was fun, but it didnt have the gravity of the first two. It was produced with more wit and savvy than the latest version.

T4 failed at creating a post-epocalypse environment that was congruent with the way that it was presented in T2. Instead, they went with a Mad Max kind of approach with the backdrop of Transformers camera-work and feel, which seemed contrived and didnt fit the Terminator franchise, IMO. I think that the director did it a disservice.

Also...Bale is starting to get on my nerves. His action hero bits are cheap. He even brought the low grumbling Batman voice to this one. Bleh.
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Hahaha. Didnt see fast and furious. I was looking forward to wolverine and terminator, both were pretty disappointing. Star trek was sweet tho. Maybe that can save your marriage?
Star Trek could TOTALLY save a marriage!

And yes I'm aware of the irony as I type this, but I'm pretty sure they could use that movie to cure the common cold if they wanted to!
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As for the acting... the acting in this one was better than all the other three combined, not that that's saying much.

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Whoa whoa whoa!

The governor's performances in T1 and 2 = totally epic

Granted they seem dated now, but he TOTALLY pulled it off in terms of exactly what was required to make those movies the classics they are.
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Why shut your brain off just because it's a movie?

There's a reason it's getting panned. It's a terrible film. Bad dialogue, acting, pacing, direction, editing, there's a CGI Arnold, Common is in it and the film, as a whole, is all over the place. McG was in over his head. This project was too much for him. Bale was outperformed by Worthington and the Anton kid.

All in all, it sucked balls. I never buy into anyone that thinks you have to 'shut your brain off' to watch a movie. Why?
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Whoa whoa whoa!

The governor's performances in T1 and 2 = totally epic

Granted they seem dated now, but he TOTALLY pulled it off in terms of exactly what was required to make those movies the classics they are.
I agree with that, but I would guess the performance that stands out as being the most dated to me is the kid that played John Connor in part 2, he sort of seems wooden and not a little bit whiny now.

As for T3, don't remember it, the tv show is okay (not great, but all right). I want to see T4, but I have low expectations as I tend to think of McG as kind of a lame ass director (Charlie's Angels was okay, but I think it was too in love with its coolness and the stuff it ripped off from the Matrix, etc).
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My ONE issue with it... the T-800s wore doo-rags... wtf...
There was only 1 T-800 in the movie that was online, the only others you saw were getting built.

The things with the doo-rags were T-600s.

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T4 failed at creating a post-epocalypse environment that was congruent with the way that it was presented in T2. Instead, they went with a Mad Max kind of approach with the backdrop of Transformers camera-work and feel, which seemed contrived and didnt fit the Terminator franchise, IMO. I think that the director did it a disservice.
What did you expect for the post-apocalyptic world? All the flash-forwards in the prior movies were night scenes (which heightens the sense of dread) and even the day scenes on the SCC don't really show much of the world.
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T3 took the carnage lightly by using a tongue-and-cheek presentation, and it served the movie better. The previous Terminator movies were great because they created meaningful action around a solid, sophisticated plot that had you guessing whether or not the machines could actually dictate the future by killing young Connor. The plot was deep and rich and the action was awe-inspiring. Remember, T2 featured the first real character whose defining feature was computer generated..which was great symbolism in itself. This movie had nothing of that significance, and it didnt look at itself in humor like T3, but instead presented a cheap Mad Max wannabe without near the style or character.

Men come from the future to kill or protect someone in the present. Thats been the plot for 3 films. Its no longer sophisticated, its boring. Live a little.

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It was a good action flick, but I left feeling something was missing. I still can't put my finger on what exactly, it just seemed incomplete.
it's missing an engaging plot. other than that, the special effects are good.
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There was only 1 T-800 in the movie that was online, the only others you saw were getting built.

The things with the doo-rags were T-600s.
Where's that quote from? And I'm talking about the metal ones guarding Skynet. Wait, just looked up online you're completely right. I thought the dude in 2 was a 2000 and Arnold was a 1000. I'm way off.
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Quote's from first movie, right?
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Whoa whoa whoa!

The governor's performances in T1 and 2 = totally epic

Granted they seem dated now, but he TOTALLY pulled it off in terms of exactly what was required to make those movies the classics they are.
Listen, you can barely find a bigger Arnold fan than I am. I stayed up till 5 am watching Conan the Barbarian last night.

But let's be honest, he's not getting confused with Brando or DeNiro anytime soon...
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Why shut your brain off just because it's a movie?

There's a reason it's getting panned. It's a terrible film. Bad dialogue, acting, pacing, direction, editing, there's a CGI Arnold, Common is in it and the film, as a whole, is all over the place. McG was in over his head. This project was too much for him. Bale was outperformed by Worthington and the Anton kid.

All in all, it sucked balls. I never buy into anyone that thinks you have to 'shut your brain off' to watch a movie. Why?
First off, whats a "common"? Secondly, how did you not like the CGI Arnold?!?! Thirdly, it's less about shutting your brain off and more about people having absurd expectations for movie series because one hasn't been released in so long.

You're putting the p***Y on a pedestal RVJ
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