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Old 05-12-2009, 08:40 AM   #1
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I thought it was a good read. From Milehighreport.

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WTF.....did you see the picture in that article?? Bobby Turner has man-boobs! I thought he was skinny......wtf happened??

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The offense is absolutely loaded with talent. At 10 of the 11 positions, there is a definite above-average player.
Could have been 11 for 11, including the most important position of the offense, but no. I guess almost is not too bad, hmm or maybe almost just isn't good enough, because by my count we were 10 of 11 last year on offense and that didn't work out too well according to some people.

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The Broncos have significantly more talent on their roster, top to bottom, than they did last season, and particularly, at the end of last season. I don't think you'd get a lot of argument against that statement from anybody. So, if the talent is better, isn't it a natural assumption to make that a smart coaching staff would be able to deploy that talent in such a way as to improve upon last season's 8-8 record? It follows that all of the hand-wringing about "fitting the system" is just noise.
The Broncos had significantly more talent on their roster at the beginning of 2008 than at the end - unless you can go through a magical season with no injuries, that will always be the case. Where do we have more talent than we did last year?

CB, Al Smith improves this unit a bit over last year.
S, Most improved by a mile because it was so pathetic last year, when it turns out Dawkins is nothing but a small linebacker, we may have to revise this.
RB, Certainly, Moreno is an upgrade.
LB, is for no other reason than the fact that Andra Davis is better than Nate Webster.

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QB, no matter if you think Orton and Simms will do well or not, you have to accept that Cutler is the more talented player.

The main problem is where we are not better than last year, DL. The unit that played the worst last year doesn't seem to have gotten better.

We have added some talent and subtracted some talent, but have we done enough of defense to counter the net loss of talent on offense or even as it is suggested here, to improve the team as a whole? Before people now go spouting off about the wonder that is the Mcdaniels offense, let us remind ourselves that the guy who left was no slouch when it came to putting together an offense.
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The main problem is where we are not better than last year, DL. The unit that played the worst last year doesn't seem to have gotten better.

We have added some talent and subtracted some talent, but have we done enough of defense to counter the net loss of talent on offense or even as it is suggested here, to improve the team as a whole? Before people now go spouting off about the wonder that is the Mcdaniels offense, let us remind ourselves that the guy who left was no slouch when it came to putting together an offense.
Unless you are suggesting our defensive staff last year is on par with who we have now, then our DL should be improved slightly as the coaches will be able to get more out of them. It appears most of the guys on our Dline would be best as backups, but we have guys with potential like Thomas, Fields, and Powell because they are young and still can improve.

Shanahan could put together an offense, but he apparently forgot how to put together a defense.
Our offense was far from perfect, it is very possible to have a more *effective* offense this year
Add that along with an improved defense, and well if McDaniels is anywhere close to the coach Bowlen thinks he is, we could be a decent to good team this year
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The increased talent also has implications for the special teams. Better team athleticism leads to better kick coverage units. This was again a weakness in 2008, and by drafting a guy like David Bruton expressly to help the special teams, and adding guys like Darcel McBath and Alphonso Smith to the coverage units, you have to think that improvement will be seen in this area.

Great article, and nice point about the special teams. It's something everyone loves to b**** about, but no one wants to address the problem on draft day.

A thin secondary and ****ty special teams made picks like Burton and McBath very logical.
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Unless you are suggesting our defensive staff last year is on par with who we have now, then our DL should be improved slightly as the coaches will be able to get more out of them. It appears most of the guys on our Dline would be best as backups, but we have guys with potential like Thomas, Fields, and Powell because they are young and still can improve.

Shanahan could put together an offense, but he apparently forgot how to put together a defense.
Our offense was far from perfect, it is very possible to have a more *effective* offense this year
Add that along with an improved defense, and well if McDaniels is anywhere close to the coach Bowlen thinks he is, we could be a decent to good team this year

Is it the fact that Nolans defense in San Fran was in the bottom 7 EVERY year he was a head coach there that is giving you confidence, because yes that is in fact better than what we did last year, but not by much.

I don't have that much faith in Thomas who didn't do much to inspire confidence last year, Fields who did even less and Powell who may very well be the best rested player in the NFL currently. They may be awesome, but the evidence we have so far seems to indicate the opposite.
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have a little ****ing faith dude
Faith is for suckers.

I am sure the Lions fans had faith last year that they would win some games, I am sure the Patriots fans in 2007 had faith that they would win the super bowl, how did they do? If I had any artistic ability I would draw you a picture of a truckload of disappointment.

Don't let a little realism ruin your day, if you really have faith it won't matter and if you deep down knew that maybe this team just isn't as good as some people would like to think, then I am just telling you what you already knew.
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Is it the fact that Nolans defense in San Fran was in the bottom 7 EVERY year he was a head coach there that is giving you confidence, because yes that is in fact better than what we did last year, but not by much.

I don't have that much faith in Thomas who didn't do much to inspire confidence last year, Fields who did even less and Powell who may very well be the best rested player in the NFL currently. They may be awesome, but the evidence we have so far seems to indicate the opposite.
except Nolan isnt gonna be the HC, and I think he has a decent track record as far as coordinator. Dick Lebough couldnt cut it at HC, does this reflect poorly on his ability to field a tough defense?
I believe anyways his defenses at least were good at forcing turnovers.

Again you are comparing Thomas to what he did with the previous staff, I am not suggesting he will turn into Richard Seymour, but I think it is possible that you could see Thomas have a better year as I think this staff is more competent and can play more to the player's strengths.

As far as Fields, well I dont know much about him other than he is young, and apparently Nolan likes him. I think he is prolly best as a backup in a rotation, but outside of spending a high pick on a NT there really wasnt much out there to replace him with.
And Powell has yet to play, but was extremely good at run stuffing in college, he is a complete unkown

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Faith is for suckers.

I am sure the Lions fans had faith last year that they would win some games, I am sure the Patriots fans in 2007 had faith that they would win the super bowl, how did they do? If I had any artistic ability I would draw you a picture of a truckload of disappointment.

Don't let a little realism ruin your day, if you really have faith it won't matter and if you deep down knew that maybe this team just isn't as good as some people would like to think, then I am just telling you what you already knew.
Two paragraphs that add up to a pile of poo.

You're basically saying that we don't really know what will happen until it happens.

Wow.

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Faith is for suckers.

I am sure the Lions fans had faith last year that they would win some games, I am sure the Patriots fans in 2007 had faith that they would win the super bowl, how did they do? If I had any artistic ability I would draw you a picture of a truckload of disappointment.

Don't let a little realism ruin your day, if you really have faith it won't matter and if you deep down knew that maybe this team just isn't as good as some people would like to think, then I am just telling you what you already knew.
to each his own I guess, I never knew being a fan of a team had to be so dreary and painful

I would say we are a damn far cry from the abysmal Lions...and if we have to be "disappointed" by a 16-0 regular season and an actual playoff win or two, then I will take it

you are right about one thing, what you are saying doesn't matter to me
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You know what? Just cause I post a link and thought it was a good read doesn't mean I'm a McDaniel homer or think all of our problems are solved.
GYLD take it for what its worth. Its a simple article from a website that I think knows a lot about football and their insight is considered by me worth listening too. It doesn't mean they are gonna be right all the time but they DO know what they are talking about. I don't agree w/ McD on what I've seen so far, and I don't really agree w/ the draft 100 percent either, but then again who does? By posting this I'm saying that what is done is done and all the b****ing in the world isn't gonna change anything at this point. Let's just agree to disagree on some points and agree that we are all Bronco fans and move on. Let's see how the season progresses from this point and save the b****in for when the season start when we may or may not have a lot to b**** about!
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You know what? Just cause I post a link and thought it was a good read doesn't mean I'm a McDaniel homer or think all of our problems are solved.
GYLD take it for what its worth. Its a simple article from a website that I think knows a lot about football and their insight is considered by me worth listening too. It doesn't mean they are gonna be right all the time but they DO know what they are talking about. I don't agree w/ McD on what I've seen so far, and I don't really agree w/ the draft 100 percent either, but then again who does? By posting this I'm saying that what is done is done and all the b****ing in the world isn't gonna change anything at this point. Let's just agree to disagree on some points and agree that we are all Bronco fans and move on. Let's see how the season progresses from this point and save the b****in for when the season start when we may or may not have a lot to b**** about!
I didn't mean to go after you personally, I figured you weren't the author.
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Faith is for suckers.

I am sure the Lions fans had faith last year that they would win some games, I am sure the Patriots fans in 2007 had faith that they would win the super bowl, how did they do? If I had any artistic ability I would draw you a picture of a truckload of disappointment.

Don't let a little realism ruin your day, if you really have faith it won't matter and if you deep down knew that maybe this team just isn't as good as some people would like to think, then I am just telling you what you already knew.
I am with you, I am such a pessimist that I dropped out of the whole Christianity thing because I refused to belive in ghosts/devils/miracles and that Jesus returned from the dead after 3 days then acended to the right hand of God.

When I see an Angel or Jesus floating around telling me all you need is love and then telling me to watch out for the truck that is about to hit me then I will believe.

Just as I will believe McStalin is the way, the truth and the light, once he shows marked improvement and or playoffs.
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Where do we have more talent than we did last year?

CB, Al Smith improves this unit a bit over last year.
S, Most improved by a mile because it was so pathetic last year, when it turns out Dawkins is nothing but a small linebacker, we may have to revise this.
At CB and S we signed Andre Goodman and Renaldo Hill, both of whom started for Miami and are better than their predecessors.
And at his worst Dawkins will be better than last year's starters.

So you conveniently omitted from your "analysis" 2 guys who will probably be the starters at their positions. Well done.
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I thought it was a good read. From Milehighreport.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/5...ts-nearsighted
BTW I like the dudes over there but they are all drinking the orange coolaid and wearing the orange glasses.
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Two paragraphs that add up to a pile of poo.

You're basically saying that we don't really know what will happen until it happens.

Wow.

Thanks, boss!
Some people like to close their eyes and pretend the salty liquid is isotonic water. You can believe anything you want, but it doesn't make it true and it certainly won't make you feel better when you open your eyes.

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to each his own I guess, I never knew being a fan of a team had to be so dreary and painful

I would say we are a damn far cry from the abysmal Lions...and if we have to be "disappointed" by a 16-0 regular season and an actual playoff win or two, then I will take it

you are right about one thing, what you are saying doesn't matter to me
I am sure the Lions fans last year in the offseason thought they were a far cry from going 0-16, but hope is such a funny thing, it turns out it doesn't really make a difference.

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except Nolan isnt gonna be the HC, and I think he has a decent track record as far as coordinator. Dick Lebough couldnt cut it at HC, does this reflect poorly on his ability to field a tough defense?
I believe anyways his defenses at least were good at forcing turnovers.

Again you are comparing Thomas to what he did with the previous staff, I am not suggesting he will turn into Richard Seymour, but I think it is possible that you could see Thomas have a better year as I think this staff is more competent and can play more to the player's strengths.

As far as Fields, well I dont know much about him other than he is young, and apparently Nolan likes him. I think he is prolly best as a backup in a rotation, but outside of spending a high pick on a NT there really wasnt much out there to replace him with.
And Powell has yet to play, but was extremely good at run stuffing in college, he is a complete unkown
Nolan had a decent run of 3 years (2 good ones) as a DC in Baltimore. He was decent without being spectacular in his previous positions as DC if memory serves. There is a big difference between a team lead by Ray Lewis in his prime, Ed Reed, Kelly Gregg, Suggs, Baxter and Mcalister and the group we have now (He may be able to improve players a bit, but we just don't have the talent of the Ravens).

I am just not sure how much of a recipe for success it is to rely on defensive linemen who have either played poorly, sparsely or not at all. To me that seems like a huge red flag, I mean the size of the one they have at Kijŏng-dong.
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At CB and S we signed Andre Goodman and Renaldo Hill, both of whom started for Miami and are better than their predecessors.
And at his worst Dawkins will be better than last year's starters.

So you conveniently omitted from your "analysis" 2 guys who will probably be the starters at their positions. Well done.
Is Goodman really that much better than Bly? To me he doesn't look that way. I do believe I said we were significantly improved at S, but maybe you didn't read that part?

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Is Goodman really that much better than Bly?
Yes.

Question for you: what team does Dre Bly currently play for?
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At CB and S we signed Andre Goodman and Renaldo Hill, both of whom started for Miami and are better than their predecessors.
And at his worst Dawkins will be better than last year's starters.

So you conveniently omitted from your "analysis" 2 guys who will probably be the starters at their positions. Well done.
Not to throw in a match or anything, but I think this is the first time in history a marked imrpovement has been expected due to the arrival of Andre Goodman or Renaldo Hill...
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...I think this is the first time in history a marked imrpovement has been expected due to the arrival of Andre Goodman or Renaldo Hill...
Which tells you how bad our secondary was last year. They're not Pro Bowlers but I think they're solid players. Miami was content to replace Hill (with Gibril Wilson) but I recall they weren't happy to lose Goodman.
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Yes.

Question for you: what team does Dre Bly currently play for?
I will rephrase, is the 2008 version of Bly that much worse than the 2009 version of Goodman? The 2009 version of Bly is too old.
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Nolan had a decent run of 3 years (2 good ones) as a DC in Baltimore. He was decent without being spectacular in his previous positions as DC if memory serves. There is a big difference between a team lead by Ray Lewis in his prime, Ed Reed, Kelly Gregg, Suggs, Baxter and Mcalister and the group we have now (He may be able to improve players a bit, but we just don't have the talent of the Ravens).

I am just not sure how much of a recipe for success it is to rely on defensive linemen who have either played poorly, sparsely or not at all. To me that seems like a huge red flag, I mean the size of the one they have at Kijŏng-dong.
I dont think Nolan and co. are satisfied completely with our talent, its just you cant change our defense in one year, it is a process that is going to take a bit of time.
We have upgraded the talent, we have upgraded the coaching, maybe we have not done enough to satisfy some fans, but the constant gashing of our defense was more than just a lack of talent, and more than just a lack of good defensive linemen.

Our defense wont be awesome this year, I dont know anyone who would suggest that, the goal is to work towards improvement.
Improve upon last year, then next year improve upon this year, and if the coaches know what they are doing, and can get good talent to fit the system, in a few years our defense could be dramatically improved

We dont know for sure if the coaches are doing the right things, we wont know that at this time, but there is evidence to suggest they have a better idea of how to build a defense than the guys previously
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Which tells you how bad our secondary was last year. They're not Pro Bowlers but I think they're solid players. Miami was content to replace Hill (with Gibril Wilson) but I recall they weren't happy to lose Goodman.
They were so unhappy about him leaving they refused to pay the whopping pennies he got here...
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