OT--WI police can attach GPS to cars to track anybodys movements w/o warrant

[broncofan7]

www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-ap-wi-gps-police,0,5867383.story

chicagotribune.com
Wisconsin court upholds GPS tracking by police
By RYAN J. FOLEY

Associated Press Writer

2:42 PM CDT, May 7, 2009

MADISON, Wis.

Wisconsin police can attach GPS to cars to secretly track anybody's movements without obtaining search warrants, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

However, the District 4 Court of Appeals said it was "more than a little troubled" by that conclusion and asked Wisconsin lawmakers to regulate GPS use to protect against abuse by police and private individuals.

As the law currently stands, the court said police can mount GPS on cars to track people without violating their constitutional rights -- even if the drivers aren't suspects.

Officers do not need to get warrants beforehand because GPS tracking does not involve a search or a seizure, Judge Paul Lundsten wrote for the unanimous three-judge panel based in Madison.

That means "police are seemingly free to secretly track anyone's public movements with a GPS device," he wrote.

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[footstepsfrom#27]

Figures. Hopefully there's an SC appeal to follow.

[watermock]

Jesus christ,

God thing my monitor doent have a webcam....

USDA is allready applying tracking devices to livestock.

[Mountain Bronco]

Soon enough there will be mandatory tracking devices installed shortly after birth. Think I am kidding

[Malcontent]

I am going to invent a device that scrambles the GPS devices and make millliiooonnnsss!!!!! Muahahaha!

[Hotrod]

I think this is a great idea. If we are to become a true socialist state under Barry Obama this is a good step

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by Dortoh

I think this is a great idea. If we are to become a true socialist state under Barry Obama this is a good step

The DNC was a great first step for Denver. They blew a million on cameras. Somehow I don't think they were taken down either.

http://blogs.westword.com/demver/200..._brings_ne.php

[cutthemdown]

This needs to be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court if it has to be.

[broncofan7]

Originally Posted by Malcontent

I am going to invent a device that scrambles the GPS devices and make millliiooonnnsss!!!!! Muahahaha!

or at the very least a 'GPS detector'.......

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Malcontent

I am going to invent a device that scrambles the GPS devices and make millliiooonnnsss!!!!! Muahahaha!

Great idea, but how about this instead.

If you go to strip club = GPS says you went to church
If you go to bar= Gps says you went to the Library
If you go to lovers home = Says you went to museum of art

and so on and so on.

That way it works on wives and girlfriends as well.

[BroncoBuff]

It'll never pass Fourth Amendment muster ... maybe in Wisconsin courts, but not any federal Court of Appeals.

The state will try the "plain view" exception to unreasonable search probably ... but even if that works, what about if you drive onto private property? The police will have to "turn off" the GPS when a car enters private property? No way this survoves the federal courts.


Although .... this is the same place where the original crazy-expansion of the Commerce Clause to regulate interstate commerece was accomplished, even if you're growing wheat on your own farm for your own consumption ... the Wickard case in the 40s was about a Wisconisn farmer.

So I guess Wisconsin might be just the right place to restrict Fourth Amendment protections.

[Los Broncos]

I person I know is a sex offender, they have him locked down wherever he goes.

Its kind of sad really, he cant go home because he is to close to a school.

Cant go to bars, they track his every move.

[CBF1]

Stay out of trouble and no big deal... Maybe I need to start getting into trouble.

[OABB]

Originally Posted by Dortoh

I think this is a great idea. If we are to become a true socialist state under Barry Obama this is a good step

remember when he started wire-tapping our phone calls a few years back? WHat a commie!

[BroncoLifer]

Originally Posted by Iron Clady

I person I know is a sex offender...

That's how far I read before I lost sympathy for him.

[sisterhellfyre]

Originally Posted by broncofan7

Wisconsin police can attach GPS to cars to secretly track anybody's movements without obtaining search warrants, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

So... um... what's the big deal on this one?

Even at our current state of technology, more and more cellphones include GPS chips. The police can already tap into those and track within a few feet where the phone has gone, by what route, and at what speed. Just a few weeks ago, also in Wisconsin, police used a GPS-enabled cellphone to track down and locate someone who was drunk and lost.

Denver's 911 info, on the city government site, says this: "Wireless Phase II, in effect now, requires carriers to provide far more precise location information - within 50 to 300 meters (approximately 170 to 1000 feet). The cell phone vendors have different methods in which the cellular phone handset can provide the latitude and longitude for the caller, either through triangulation, GPS or a hybrid of the two." This is not a local requirement: it's mandate from the FCC.

As far back as December 2006, there were reports that the FBI had found ways to turn on cellphone microphones to use them as eavesdropping bugs. Just as an "oh by the way," this technique was ruled legal by a US Superior Court judge in New York.

This report out of Wisconsin isn't really "news" at all, except that it's a different application of what the various authorities are already doing. If you think they can't get or don't have access to all the information they want about all of us, you're kidding yourself.

[Broncojef]

Originally Posted by Dortoh

I think this is a great idea. If we are to become a true socialist state under Barry Obama this is a good step

Our rights have been erroding for some time now, really quite disturbing.

[STBumpkin]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

It'll never pass Fourth Amendment muster ... maybe in Wisconsin courts, but not any federal Court of Appeals.

The state will try the "plain view" exception to unreasonable search probably ... but even if that works, what about if you drive onto private property? The police will have to "turn off" the GPS when a car enters private property? No way this survoves the federal courts.


Although .... this is the same place where the original crazy-expansion of the Commerce Clause to regulate interstate commerece was accomplished, even if you're growing wheat on your own farm for your own consumption ... the Wickard case in the 40s was about a Wisconisn farmer.

So I guess Wisconsin might be just the right place to restrict Fourth Amendment protections.

Private property is still plain sight. A police helicopter can fly over a compound without violating the letter of the law. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not illegal.

[STBumpkin]

Originally Posted by sisterhellfyre

So... um... what's the big deal on this one?

Even at our current state of technology, more and more cellphones include GPS chips. The police can already tap into those and track within a few feet where the phone has gone, by what route, and at what speed. Just a few weeks ago, also in Wisconsin, police used a GPS-enabled cellphone to track down and locate someone who was drunk and lost.

Denver's 911 info, on the city government site, says this: "Wireless Phase II, in effect now, requires carriers to provide far more precise location information - within 50 to 300 meters (approximately 170 to 1000 feet). The cell phone vendors have different methods in which the cellular phone handset can provide the latitude and longitude for the caller, either through triangulation, GPS or a hybrid of the two." This is not a local requirement: it's mandate from the FCC.

As far back as December 2006, there were reports that the FBI had found ways to turn on cellphone microphones to use them as eavesdropping bugs. Just as an "oh by the way," this technique was ruled legal by a US Superior Court judge in New York.

This report out of Wisconsin isn't really "news" at all, except that it's a different application of what the various authorities are already doing. If you think they can't get or don't have access to all the information they want about all of us, you're kidding yourself.

Agreed, The chinese do this to us (military+?)too. We have to leave phones out of any of our tactical flight simulators as well as any spaces where we talk tactics or strategy because they can turn them on.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Our rights have been erroding for some time now, really quite disturbing.

No doubt about it.

Oh but we love to b**** about our rights on messageboards! Only problem is they are debated in our State Capitals. Oh by the way it's pretty rare to see average citizens at our state capital in Co. It's full of paid lobbyists though.

Bottom line is we only have ourselves to blame for our rights disappearing.

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by BroncoLifer

That's how far I read before I lost sympathy for him.

Most likely but you can get labeled a sex offender for life for getting drunk in college and peeing in public.

We need more info

[Los Broncos]

Originally Posted by BroncoLifer

That's how far I read before I lost sympathy for him.

Same here, I mean at first I felt bad when it all happend.

But hearing him b**** and b**** about how they treated him in prison and now out in the world.

He did it to himself, the only part that really sucks is his kids, cant always be there with them.

But cheating in your wife with another woman and raping her gets no sympathy from me.

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

This needs to be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court if it has to be.

I agree.

[Inkana7]

Wisconsin, really? They usually hold personal freedoms and such in higher regard. They are the home of Fightin' Bob, after all.

[Pontius Pirate]