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Old 05-08-2009, 01:24 AM   #1
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This year, www.draftguys.com (an excellent site that really got better in their second year) tracked pre-draft prospect interest for all teams. Just for fun, I went back and looked at who the Broncos were interested in this year.

First of all, here's the link:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/artic...ril_22_update/

And here's the Broncos-relevant information:

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QB – Stephen McGee (Texas A&M) - Official Visit Scheduled – 4/22 (Scout.com)
QB – Mark Sanchez (USC) Private Workout in Los Angeles with offensive coordinator Mike McCoy join general manager Brian Xanders – head coach Josh McDaniels ill and could not attend (Mike Klis, Denver Post & Cecil Lammey, Draftguys,com)
QB – Pat White (West Virginia) - Had Private Workout (Scout.com) Quarterback only Drills (Steve Wyche, NFL.com)
QB – Curtis Painter (Purdue) - Private Workout scheduled
RB – Cedric Peerman (Virginia) - Rumored Interest (Scout.com)
RB – Chris Wells (OSU) - Official Visit Scheduled (Aaron Wilson, Carroll County Times)
RB – Rashad Jennings (Liberty) - Had Private Work out on 3/8 (Scout.com)
RB – Donald Brown (UCONN) - Had Private Workout - 3/24
RB – Javon Ringer (Michigan State) - Private Workout Scheduled (Chris Steuber - Scout.com)
WR – Brian Hartline (Ohio State) - Rumored Interest
WR – Quan Cosby(Texas) - Had a Workout (Scout.com)
C – Eric Wood (Louisville) - Had Private Workout (Gil Brandt, NFL.com & Cincinnati Enquirer)
G – Andy Levitre (Oregon State) - Had Private Workout for the Offensive Line Coach (Scout.com)


Defense

DT – Ron Brace (Boston College) -Had Workout (NFLDraftbible.com)
DT – BJ Raji (Boston College) - Had Private Workout – 3/20 (The Santa Rosa Press-Democrat)
DT/DE – Brian Orakpo(Texas) - Has Scheduled a Visit (NFL.com)
DT – Ziggy Hood (Missouri) -Had Workout (NFLDraftbible.com)
DT – Fili Moala(USC) - Formal Interview at Combine (Scout.com)
DE/LB –Cody Brown (UCONN) - Had Private Workout by linebacker coach – 3/20 (Scout.com & ProFootballTalk.com)
DE – Conner Barwin(Cincinnati) - Had Private Workout – 3/17 (Scout.com)
LB –Clay Matthews (USC) - Had Official Visit – 4/9 (Andrew Garda, Draftguys.com & Scout.com)
CB– Chip Vaughn (Wake Forest) -Strong Interest (Scout.com)
CB– Malcolm Jenkins (Ohio State) - Had Private Workout -3/20
CB– Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest) - Scheduled Official Visit (ProFootballTalk.com)
S –Bradley Fletcher (Iowa) - Formal Interview at Combine (Scout.com)
S – Rashad Johnson (Alabama) - Had Visit (ProFootballTalk.com)
S – Louis Delmas (Westen Michigan) - Visit Scheduled (Scout.com)
S – Patrick Chung (Oregon) - Had Private Workout (Scout.com

My observations:

1) There's only one guy on the entire list (Alphonso Smith) who we ended up taking. Looks very similar to the Shanahan regime, where our pre-draft interest in a player means we're actually NOT interested.

2) The Broncos did a great job of masking their interest in Moreno-- note the private workouts with two of the top three running backs, but NOT with our guy. Also, we interviewed several guys that we were clearly not planning to draft at #12 or #18 (Orakpo, Matthews, Wells, Brown, Brace, Hood, Jenkins).

3) Some pretty good sandbagging with the QBs as well -- no indication that Brandestater would be our guy (and keep in mind that we traded UP to get him in the 6th, meaning he was probably targeted pre-draft).

4) The top 3 safeties (and 4 overall) were also on the list, but NOT Darcel McBath or David Bruton.

5) No tight ends were on the list, and yet we traded up to the second round for Richard Quinn. Interesting strategy here -- since TE was not a perceived team need, they felt that they didn't need to waste a visit on any decoys at the position.

6) The curious case of Alphonso Smith -- this was probably a situation where we had him in the top 10-15 players, but had no intentions of taking him at #12 or #18. However, once he slid into the second round, the value became too great too ignore, and the decoy became the target.

So, for next year, just remember.... if Xanders and McDaniels express interest in a particular player, there's a 3.6% chance that we're actually going to draft them.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:56 AM   #2
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Draftguys is a damned cool site. People will rip it because everyone is a draft "expert" on a message board, but they really attempt to put out good info.

I seem to recall them liking our picks. I know they graded a couple of our street FA's very high.
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I think this thread is going to get a lot of action when people wake up.


I remember several posters asserting that the McXanders drafting was a clean departure from Shanny's style because we did draft the players that we had visited with.

This sentence was thrown around a lot after the draft: "7 of the 10 drafted rookies were brought in by Denver for a visit or interviewed at the Combine." I don't know if the Draftguys tracked Combine interviews or not.

Anyway, I enjoyed your post, and it might make for some lively discussion once people wake up again.
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there's a 3.6% chance that we're actually going to draft them.
That's fairly common.

Shanahan never lied... except when his lips were moving. He was a master at BS'ing the media and getting people chasing their tails.

I wish he would have drafted a bit better, though.
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So we brought in players we had no intention of drafting?


Brilliant!

But we had a list of 100 players so top secret that we traded up to get them.

Sounds like McDummy is playing Spy like his mentor.

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This sentence was thrown around a lot after the draft: "7 of the 10 drafted rookies were brought in by Denver for a visit or interviewed at the Combine." I don't know if the Draftguys tracked Combine interviews or not.
It seems the opposite was true,or am I missing something?

I don't see 1 pick other than the blunder**** trading our 1st in '10.

So we graded at the combine and never brought anyone in personally?

Classic hoodie. And we are supposed to believe this punk?

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It seems the opposite was true,or am I missing something?

I don't see 1 pick other than the blunder**** trading our 1st in '10.

So we graded at the combine and never brought anyone in personally?

Classic hoodie. And we are supposed to believe this punk?
Dude...Take a chill pill. You're going to give yourself a heart attack over something you have no control over.
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This list of 28 seems awfully close to the well publicized 30 player list they talked about having created from the original 100. McSatan boasted that every pick we got was on that list. Perhaps I'm wrong, but didn't they say that they had worked all these guys out? If so...this is obviously the same list, meaning we got one of our targets, not all of them.

I never saw the wisdom of Shanny's shadowy clandestine movements to trick everyone. Whatever advantage you get in deception seems like it was easily negated by the disadvantage of being under-informed on the players they drafted. Maybe the only good thing I see here is that they actually managed to work the Smith kid out before taking him.
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The Broncos had Moreno in back when Wells came in if I recall.

And Robert Ayers has specifically referenced discussions with our LB coach as having tipped him off to being high on Denver's draft board.

Draftguys.com has a cool idea here, but it seems like it needs more leg work to really live up to the promise.
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It seems the opposite was true,or am I missing something?

I don't see 1 pick other than the blunder**** trading our 1st in '10.

So we graded at the combine and never brought anyone in personally?

Classic hoodie. And we are supposed to believe this punk?

Dude, honestly... why bother with these posts. Seriously. There has to be some better use of your time.

We get it, you're a miserable fan. Anything else?
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Actually, my comments stand on their own merits.

The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner

The rest we NEVER worked out personally, yet we managed to trim the draft board down to 100 players.

It's ****in' idiotic.

Carry on...

Boy, we sure fooled 'em.

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Draftguys is a damned cool site. People will rip it because everyone is a draft "expert" on a message board, but they really attempt to put out good info.

I seem to recall them liking our picks. I know they graded a couple of our street FA's very high.
hell had we used draft picks on Baker, Rulon and Pedexuea(sp?) instead of getting them as UDFA not nearly as many people would be complaining about how we didn't address the DL in the draft.

Baker was one of the best prospects for NT in the draft but because of character went undrafted

Rulon is one of the only guys in the draft who has experience playing DE in a 3-4

Pedexeu is a steal who might become at least a good rotational guy on the line.

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The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner
You need to be a little more careful throwing that word FACT around. Just because some website says we only worked out one of our drafted players certainly doesn't make it a FACT. You cannot really be that naive or stupid.

And I'd just like to point out that, if I remember correctly, your hero Mike Shanahan never met or worked out your boy crush Jay Cutler before drafting him.
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Considering that we visited with 7 of our 10 draft picks and had interviews with the last 3, that list doesn't seem quite accurate. I know for a fact we had Ayers and Moreno in as well Quinn.
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...that list doesn't seem quite accurate...
But it's a FACT! Don't you know?!? Ask "watermock", he said it's a FACT! In ALL CAPS! So it must REALLY be a FACT! The sky is falling and McDoodyface is a complete failure and has set the franchise back at least ten years! WE ARE DOOOOOOOMED!
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Actually, my comments stand on their own merits.

The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner

The rest we NEVER worked out personally, yet we managed to trim the draft board down to 100 players.

It's ****in' idiotic.

Carry on...

Boy, we sure fooled 'em.

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Considering that we visited with 7 of our 10 draft picks and had interviews with the last 3, that list doesn't seem quite accurate. I know for a fact we had Ayers and Moreno in as well Quinn.
Yeah this has been stated by McDaniels a couple of times I think... then again he's a huge liar.
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I think this thread is going to get a lot of action when people wake up.


I remember several posters asserting that the McXanders drafting was a clean departure from Shanny's style because we did draft the players that we had visited with.

This sentence was thrown around a lot after the draft: "7 of the 10 drafted rookies were brought in by Denver for a visit or interviewed at the Combine." I don't know if the Draftguys tracked Combine interviews or not.

Anyway, I enjoyed your post, and it might make for some lively discussion once people wake up again.
Good call there. McDaniels did say that in a post-draft interview. Looks like www.draftguys.com had an incomplete list.

A quick websearch (google news) turns up the following:

Knowshon Moreno: nothing

Robert Ayers: nothing

Alphonso Smith: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Darcel McBath: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Richard Quinn: nothing

David Bruton: TWO pre-draft workouts!

Seth Olsen: Also TWO pre-draft workouts!!

Kenny McKinley: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Tom Brandestater: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Blake Schlueter: nothing

So... 10 minutes of googling uncovered the fact that we brought in at least 6 of our 10 prospects for a workout -- and two of the prospects were brought in twice!

If anyone can find links to articles about workouts involving Moreno, Ayers, Quinn, or Schlueter, post them below....

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wow....some really good analysis from Footsteps and Mock...

and there's a new nickname....McSatan!!!!

hahahaha.....thats so good...oh wow...im gonna write that one down....great stuff man
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That list is wrong. Here's a more accurate list provided by gyldenlove. It includes pro-day workouts we attended and their projected value at the time of work out. We had an ongoing thread where we were pooling reports from several sources to put together who we worked out.

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QB
Curtis Painter (Purdue) - 5th-6th Round

RBs
Knowshon Moreno (Georgia) - Early - Mid Round 1
Chris Wells (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Donald Brown (Connecticut) - Mid-Late Round 1
Rashad Jennings (Liberty) - Early Round 2
Lesean Mccoy (Pittsburch) - Late Round 1, Early Round 2

WRs
Mike Thomas (Arizona) - Late Round 2 (also has value as a return specialist)
Eron Riley (Duke) - Late Round 3 - Round 6
Pat White (West Virginia) - Round 3 - Round 4 (Worked him out as a WR)

TE
Richard Quinn (North Carolina) - Round 6 - Undrafted FA (Badass blocking TE)

OC
Eric Wood (Louisville) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2



DEFENSE

DTs
BJ Raji (Boston College) - Early Round 1
Roy Miller (Texas) - 5th Round - 7tth Round (Pure 2 gap NT)

OLB/DEs
Connor Barwin (Cincinnati) - Mid-Late Round 1
Robert Ayers (Tennessee) - Mid - Late Round 1
David Veikune (Hawaii) - Late Round 3 - Early Round 5
Victor Butler (Oregon State) - Round 4 - Round 6
Cody Brown (Connecticut) - Late Round 2 - Round 3
Brian Orakpo (Texas) - Early Round 1
Brian Cushing (USC) - Round 1
Paul Kruger (Utah) - Round 2 - Round 3

ILB
James Laurinaitis (Ohio State) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2

CBs
Malcom Jenkins (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Kevin Barnes (Maryland) - Early Round 3 - Round 4
Darius Butler (Connecticut) - Round 2/3
Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2

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Chip Vaughn (Wake Forest) - Late Round 2 - Round 3
Louis Delmas (Western Michigan) - Round 2
So all of their first day picks were privately worked out. It was also reported here locally that we worked out McKinley too. I think the Draft Guy's do a lot of stuff, but this list they have isn't even a little complete.
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Here's a more accurate list provided by gyldenlove. It includes pro-day workouts we attended and their projected value at the time of work out.



So all of their first day picks were privately worked out. It was also reported here locally that we worked out McKinley too. I think the Draft Guy's do a lot of stuff, but this list they have isn't even a little complete.
In defense of Draft Guys -- they have the best list I've seen posted on the internet, something like 800 prospects linked to all 32 teams. Hopefully next year, they (or someone else) will track these a little more seriously, because it's pretty interesting.

Looks like the title of this thread should have been "Denver Broncos -- will only draft players they work out"
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I just read the rest of the meltdowns here and this thread has suddenly become hilarious.
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In defense of Draft Guys -- they have the best list I've seen posted on the internet, something like 800 prospects linked to all 32 teams. Hopefully next year, they (or someone else) will track these a little more seriously, because it's pretty interesting.
It is surprising considering Cecil lives here in town and a lot of the guys that were scouted were announced on TheFan when Denver was working them out, including some of our draft picks.
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That list is wrong. Here's a more accurate list provided by gyldenlove. It includes pro-day workouts we attended and their projected value at the time of work out. We had an ongoing thread where we were pooling reports from several sources to put together who we worked out.



So all of their first day picks were privately worked out. It was also reported here locally that we worked out McKinley too. I think the Draft Guy's do a lot of stuff, but this list they have isn't even a little complete.
A lot of that list was done by MUG from Broncomania, I just kept updating his original list.
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Actually, my comments stand on their own merits.

The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner

The rest we NEVER worked out personally, yet we managed to trim the draft board down to 100 players.

It's ****in' idiotic.

Carry on...

Boy, we sure fooled 'em.

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Do you feel as stupid as you look? Or, to use your own word against you, idiotic? You know what you can do with your "FACTS", right?
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