Cutler: Worst QB in the Red Zone (Orton: Best QB in the Red Zone.) - The Orange Mane

telluride · 05-05-2009, 01:18 PM

This popped up in a different thread, but it seemed worthy of a post of its own. Last season, Cutler led the league in Red Zone interceptions. Meanwhile, Orton was a league-best in avoiding Red Zone interceptions.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...nsinopp20.html

tsiguy96 · 05-05-2009, 01:19 PM

but its not cutlers fault he threw those picks...its everyone elses, including the defense and the receivers, that he threw the ball into the defenders hands...

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 05-05-2009, 01:20 PM

Not surprising on Cutler. Guy gave the ball away a lot in the red zone. And that's without counting the bonehead notta-fumble against San Diego.

Orton had Forte, though. That's what the haters will say.

Garcia Bronco · 05-05-2009, 01:20 PM

Does it include the 1 1/2 fumbles? The half is the one he got back.

DHallblows · 05-05-2009, 01:21 PM

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?

Kaylore · 05-05-2009, 01:21 PM

I never understood why Cutler would lose it in the red zone. He would often do it on first or second down when he didn't need to panic. There were some games where he would have finished awesome and then he'd self-destruct in the redzone for some reason.

oubronco · 05-05-2009, 01:23 PM

thats because Orton was either not in the red zone or on the bench watching Griese and Grossman play

tsiguy96 · 05-05-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DHallblows

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?

the cardinals had the worst rushing game in the league, warner did just fine in the red zone throwing 5 more TDs than cutler. was it because he had so many more attempts? he managed to not turn it over every other possession....

Ambiguous · 05-05-2009, 01:27 PM

Awesome, Orton is right on board with Tyler Thigpen and JaMarcus Russell! No need to worry about QB this year!

Prodigal19 · 05-05-2009, 01:28 PM

JaMarcus Russell also only had 1 int is 15 games in the redzone... Just saying.

DHallblows · 05-05-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tsiguy96

the cardinals had the worst rushing game in the league, warner did just fine in the red zone throwing 5 more TDs than cutler. was it because he had so many more attempts? he managed to not turn it over every other possession....

Warner is a 11 year vet.

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?

tsiguy96 · 05-05-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHallblows

Warner is a 11 year vet.

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?

im failing to see the need for pass attempts when it comes to passer rating, and how bad cutlers was when it came to redzone? yes warner is an 11 year vet but people claim cutler is elite talent, he should be as good as warner. that doesnt make up for the fact that they had similar passing yardage and somewhat similar attempts, why did cutler throw so many more picks and not as many TDs as warner?

Pseudofool · 05-05-2009, 01:33 PM

Does include the Hockley (is that the refs name) fumble?

BMarsh615 · 05-05-2009, 01:35 PM

It seems like the better QB's in the league are the ones who throw the most INT's in the redzone. Probably because they had more redzone attempts....

I don't think the Bears let Orton throw that many passes down there.

oubronco · 05-05-2009, 01:35 PM

How really gives a **** Cutler's gone and we have to live with it all I got to say is GOD help us with Orton as our QB

Rashomon · 05-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsiguy96

the cardinals had the worst rushing game in the league, warner did just fine in the red zone throwing 5 more TDs than cutler. was it because he had so many more attempts? he managed to not turn it over every other possession....

I can think of one red zone pick against the Steelers that Warner would love to have back.

telluride · 05-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHallblows

Warner is a 11 year vet.

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?

Well, they don't break it down by RZ attempts (at least that I can find). Here's overall attempts:

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...gattempts.html

And if you're aiming for an argument that Cutler was intercepted so often because he passed so often, then check Drew Brees' numbers.

TheDave · 05-05-2009, 01:40 PM

So according to the logic used in the OP:

Dan Orlovsky > Drew Brees
Jamarcus Russel > Donavan McNabb

Genius... Pure Genius.

DHallblows · 05-05-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telluride

Well, they don't break it down by RZ attempts (at least that I can find). Here's overall attempts:

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...gattempts.html

And if you're aiming for an argument that Cutler was intercepted so often because he passed so often, then check Drew Brees' numbers.

I'm not really, but I'd like to point out the QBs being mentioned with more attempts/less INTs are elite QBs. So yes, Cutler was worse than Kurt "Howthe****does he keep it up" Warner and Drew Brees. Both were amazing last year

TDmvp · 05-05-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oubronco

thats because Orton was either not in the red zone or on the bench watching Griese and Grossman play

Was first thing I thought as well..

Eldorado · 05-05-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DHallblows

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?

edit: thats better

rugbythug · 05-05-2009, 02:19 PM

Anybody who did not get nervous when we got down in the red zone last year did not watch many games.

TailgateNut · 05-05-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by orange&blue

edit: thats better

HMMMMM. 1 out of every 20 ball thrown by Jay= interception
1 out of 59 for the newbie.

Pseudofool · 05-05-2009, 02:26 PM

Interesting that Shanny liked both Cutler and Romo so much...(Is Plummer another guy who fits this redzone profile?)

oubronco · 05-05-2009, 02:26 PM

Look at all the names above Cutler and your seriously gonna tell me they are better QB's................................Riiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

05-05-2009, 01:18 PM	#1
telluride Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,557 Adopt-a-Bronco: --Rulon!--	Cutler: Worst QB in the Red Zone (Orton: Best QB in the Red Zone.) This popped up in a different thread, but it seemed worthy of a post of its own. Last season, Cutler led the league in Red Zone interceptions. Meanwhile, Orton was a league-best in avoiding Red Zone interceptions. http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...nsinopp20.html Last edited by telluride; 05-05-2009 at 01:33 PM..

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TheElusiveKyleOrton www.dailydickpunch.com @RMoneyBadger Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Steamboat Springs Posts: 9,764 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Debo" Franklin	Not surprising on Cutler. Guy gave the ball away a lot in the red zone. And that's without counting the bonehead notta-fumble against San Diego. Orton had Forte, though. That's what the haters will say. __________________ Nobody puts Jay-bee in the corner.

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05-05-2009, 01:19 PM	#2
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	but its not cutlers fault he threw those picks...its everyone elses, including the defense and the receivers, that he threw the ball into the defenders hands...

05-05-2009, 01:20 PM	#4
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Does it include the 1 1/2 fumbles? The half is the one he got back.

05-05-2009, 01:21 PM	#5
DHallblows Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 2,513	Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?

05-05-2009, 01:21 PM	#6
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,004 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I never understood why Cutler would lose it in the red zone. He would often do it on first or second down when he didn't need to panic. There were some games where he would have finished awesome and then he'd self-destruct in the redzone for some reason.

05-05-2009, 01:23 PM	#7
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,569	thats because Orton was either not in the red zone or on the bench watching Griese and Grossman play

05-05-2009, 01:27 PM	#9
Ambiguous Ask me about my title Go fsck yourself San Diego. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,849 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Awesome, Orton is right on board with Tyler Thigpen and JaMarcus Russell! No need to worry about QB this year!

05-05-2009, 01:28 PM	#10
Prodigal19 Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 390	JaMarcus Russell also only had 1 int is 15 games in the redzone... Just saying.

05-05-2009, 01:33 PM	#13
Pseudofool Cynic at Large Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Solipsism Posts: 2,886 Adopt-a-Bronco: Me?	Does include the Hockley (is that the refs name) fumble?

05-05-2009, 01:35 PM	#14
BMarsh615 Ring of Famer 21’s No Champ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: # 15	It seems like the better QB's in the league are the ones who throw the most INT's in the redzone. Probably because they had more redzone attempts.... I don't think the Bears let Orton throw that many passes down there.

05-05-2009, 01:40 PM	#18
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	So according to the logic used in the OP: Dan Orlovsky > Drew Brees Jamarcus Russel > Donavan McNabb Genius... Pure Genius.

05-05-2009, 02:19 PM	#22
rugbythug Church Eyes. Salty Dog Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,784 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Miller	Anybody who did not get nervous when we got down in the red zone last year did not watch many games.

05-05-2009, 02:26 PM	#24
Pseudofool Cynic at Large Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Solipsism Posts: 2,886 Adopt-a-Bronco: Me?	Interesting that Shanny liked both Cutler and Romo so much...(Is Plummer another guy who fits this redzone profile?)