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Old 05-05-2009, 01:18 PM   #1
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Default Cutler: Worst QB in the Red Zone (Orton: Best QB in the Red Zone.)

This popped up in a different thread, but it seemed worthy of a post of its own. Last season, Cutler led the league in Red Zone interceptions. Meanwhile, Orton was a league-best in avoiding Red Zone interceptions.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...nsinopp20.html

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Old 05-05-2009, 01:19 PM   #2
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but its not cutlers fault he threw those picks...its everyone elses, including the defense and the receivers, that he threw the ball into the defenders hands...
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Not surprising on Cutler. Guy gave the ball away a lot in the red zone. And that's without counting the bonehead notta-fumble against San Diego.

Orton had Forte, though. That's what the haters will say.
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Does it include the 1 1/2 fumbles? The half is the one he got back.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:21 PM   #5
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Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?
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I never understood why Cutler would lose it in the red zone. He would often do it on first or second down when he didn't need to panic. There were some games where he would have finished awesome and then he'd self-destruct in the redzone for some reason.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:23 PM   #7
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thats because Orton was either not in the red zone or on the bench watching Griese and Grossman play
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Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?
the cardinals had the worst rushing game in the league, warner did just fine in the red zone throwing 5 more TDs than cutler. was it because he had so many more attempts? he managed to not turn it over every other possession....
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:27 PM   #9
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Awesome, Orton is right on board with Tyler Thigpen and JaMarcus Russell! No need to worry about QB this year!
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JaMarcus Russell also only had 1 int is 15 games in the redzone... Just saying.
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the cardinals had the worst rushing game in the league, warner did just fine in the red zone throwing 5 more TDs than cutler. was it because he had so many more attempts? he managed to not turn it over every other possession....
Warner is a 11 year vet.

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?
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Warner is a 11 year vet.

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?
im failing to see the need for pass attempts when it comes to passer rating, and how bad cutlers was when it came to redzone? yes warner is an 11 year vet but people claim cutler is elite talent, he should be as good as warner. that doesnt make up for the fact that they had similar passing yardage and somewhat similar attempts, why did cutler throw so many more picks and not as many TDs as warner?
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Does include the Hockley (is that the refs name) fumble?
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It seems like the better QB's in the league are the ones who throw the most INT's in the redzone. Probably because they had more redzone attempts....

I don't think the Bears let Orton throw that many passes down there.
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How really gives a **** Cutler's gone and we have to live with it all I got to say is GOD help us with Orton as our QB
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the cardinals had the worst rushing game in the league, warner did just fine in the red zone throwing 5 more TDs than cutler. was it because he had so many more attempts? he managed to not turn it over every other possession....
I can think of one red zone pick against the Steelers that Warner would love to have back.
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Warner is a 11 year vet.

Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?
Well, they don't break it down by RZ attempts (at least that I can find). Here's overall attempts:

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...gattempts.html

And if you're aiming for an argument that Cutler was intercepted so often because he passed so often, then check Drew Brees' numbers.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:40 PM   #18
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So according to the logic used in the OP:

Dan Orlovsky > Drew Brees
Jamarcus Russel > Donavan McNabb

Genius... Pure Genius.
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Well, they don't break it down by RZ attempts (at least that I can find). Here's overall attempts:

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...gattempts.html

And if you're aiming for an argument that Cutler was intercepted so often because he passed so often, then check Drew Brees' numbers.
I'm not really, but I'd like to point out the QBs being mentioned with more attempts/less INTs are elite QBs. So yes, Cutler was worse than Kurt "Howthe****does he keep it up" Warner and Drew Brees. Both were amazing last year
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thats because Orton was either not in the red zone or on the bench watching Griese and Grossman play



Was first thing I thought as well..
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Can you post pass attempts for each QB in the red zone?



edit: thats better

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Old 05-05-2009, 02:19 PM   #22
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Anybody who did not get nervous when we got down in the red zone last year did not watch many games.
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HMMMMM. 1 out of every 20 ball thrown by Jay= interception
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Interesting that Shanny liked both Cutler and Romo so much...(Is Plummer another guy who fits this redzone profile?)
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Look at all the names above Cutler and your seriously gonna tell me they are better QB's................................Riiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
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