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Old 05-03-2009, 10:36 PM   #1
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A lot of it seems like Football 101, but as long as you're building an offense from from scratch (or from the NE mold) and breaking in QBs new to the system....

I kind of like what I'm seeing/hearing. Wonder if he thought Jay-C was too casual for this, or if he thought Jay-C was so enamored with his own right arm that these kinds of details weren't important. Interesting look into what traits he's looking for in his on-field point-person.

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As much as any physical attribute, Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is looking for a quarterback who owns the huddle.

Whenever updating the progress of Kyle Orton and Chris Simms, he manages to work in a mention of how they commanded the huddle in practice. McDaniels said he is very specific about what he wants from his quarterbacks in the huddle and before the snap.

He wants them to have a presence, handle the other players correctly and have the offense working at a fast tempo. He wants the offense running - not walking - to the line of scrimmage. Players need to be lined up correctly and the defense needs to be identified. All of that falls on the quarterback.

"There's a lot of things the quarterback in this system is going to do before the ball is snapped," he said. "If we can get a guy that can perform before the ball is snapped and make sure there are no pre-snap errors, we're halfway there."

McDaniels is also very picky about how the pre-snap cadence - the calls at the line of scrimmage - is spoken. McDaniels said that in team meeting rooms he will call out the signals how he wants them said, and the quarterbacks have to repeat them back.

"It's kind of elementary, but until all three are saying it exactly the same way, one lineman is jumping because he's used to this guy's cadence - we can't have that," McDaniels said. "They have to sound identical. They have to sound the same. That's what we're after."

Simms and Orton aren't fazed by their coach's focus on the pre-snap routine. The notion that the quarterback should have control of the huddle is nothing new to them.

"It comes with the position, ever since high school," Orton said. "The play starts in the huddle, so that's something that can't be overlooked."

Simms said McDaniels wants the quarterbacks to first say the play clearly in the huddle. Then they offer quick tips for players, telling a receiver where his landmark is when he goes in motion or going over a blocking assignment with the running back.

"He's definitely particular about what he wants, no doubt about it, and rightfully so," Simms said. "To run a tight offense and do the right things, it starts in the huddle and it starts in the huddle with the quarterback saying the right play."

Simms and Orton practice getting the cadence how McDaniels wants it. They do it while throwing on their own and before minicamp practices during individual drills.

How a quarterback says the pre-snap signals isn't something that will be gushed about on television highlight shows, but it's important to McDaniels.

"I know that sounds like a little thing," he said. "But with what we're doing in our system ... to be able to go out there and get in the huddle and get out of the huddle and run the play and execute it the right way, that's a positive."
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i have a theory of my own, that McDaniels felt it would be difficult to get a young cocky already successful QB to buy into his system. i think he felt it would be hard to get Jay to listen to his teachings and critism, because Jay had already been successful in the league, without anyone really demanding excellence from him or riding him to be better, and to a point did have the attitude that he was the **** that more than likely would have had the 2 butting heads by midseason even if there was no trade drama.
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You're the dumbest thing I'VE ever read on this website...

But I think its the small things and the demand for perfection that can take a team over the top. McD has that enthusiasm to get this team excited to play, and to buy into what he is trying to do! I know I'm excited and I don't even play!
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i have a theory of my own, that McDaniels felt it would be difficult to get a young cocky already successful QB to buy into his system. i think he felt it would be hard to get Jay to listen to his teachings and critism, because Jay had already been successful in the league, without anyone really demanding excellence from him or riding him to be better, and to a point did have the attitude that he was the **** that more than likely would have had the 2 butting heads by midseason even if there was no trade drama.
Because Shanahan lacked any intensity at all and didn't know what good QB was.
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i have a theory of my own, that McDaniels felt it would be difficult to get a young cocky already successful QB to buy into his system. i think he felt it would be hard to get Jay to listen to his teachings and critism, because Jay had already been successful in the league, without anyone really demanding excellence from him or riding him to be better, and to a point did have the attitude that he was the **** that more than likely would have had the 2 butting heads by midseason even if there was no trade drama.
Inside source or just talking

How about Cutler did not want to be in Denver, or has that not been posted enough for you on every online service and every sports radio or TV show?
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The Deal is Done and 2 1st round picks on the table for 2 weeks immediately come to mind.
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McDaniels is a GENIUS!

First he comes up with this whole 'team approach' to the game of football that everyone is gushing about here.
He then created his 1,2,3 TEAM! chant.
NOW he builds on that inspired creativity by wanting the QB to control the huddle!

BRILLIANT! Josh seriously should be given the Nobel Prize for Football.
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He specifically said "I have a theory of my own".
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I hope the coaches are meticulously teaching our guys how to properly tackle.
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Say what you want about Coach, perhaps you disagree with his decisions and methods, but the man is incredibly detail oriented and intense. In this way, he reminds me a lot of shanahan the perfectionist (its a compliment). Regardless of what happens, I think our team will be very prepared week in week out and hopefully will have a leg up mentally on our competition.
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All I know is that we have the worst QB situation in football...thanks to coach.
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All I know is that we have the worst QB situation in football...thanks to coach.
I think youre going to be pleasently surprised by the play of Kyle Orton. I know you'll disagree, and thats fine, but this is my prediction (i watched him a lot this past season as my buddy is a bears fan and would often watch the early game with him before broncos games).
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Say what you want about Coach, perhaps you disagree with his decisions and methods, but the man is incredibly detail oriented and intense. In this way, he reminds me a lot of shanahan the perfectionist (its a compliment). Regardless of what happens, I think our team will be very prepared week in week out and hopefully will have a leg up mentally on our competition.
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really?? so you would rather have the Dolphins slew of quarterbacks? Or how about the Jets with a rookie and 2 nobodies? or how about Vikings? these three immediately come to mind
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I think that is a stretch, time to get over it
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ahahahaha, are you kidding me?

san fransisco. minnesota. buffalo bills.

three teams off the top of my head that would gladly trade places with us as far as QB situation.
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Thanks to the coach? If Jay returned a phone call he'd still be on the team. But that would just give you one less thing to p*ss and moan about.
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i have a theory of my own, that McDaniels felt it would be difficult to get a young cocky already successful QB to buy into his system. i think he felt it would be hard to get Jay to listen to his teachings and critism, because Jay had already been successful in the league, without anyone really demanding excellence from him or riding him to be better, and to a point did have the attitude that he was the **** that more than likely would have had the 2 butting heads by midseason even if there was no trade drama.
Possibly he felt that Cutler was simply too dumb to run his offense. Add the diabetes and the drinking, and suddenly you start looking around for other options.
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Possibly he felt that Cutler was simply too dumb to run his offense. Add the diabetes and the drinking, and suddenly you start looking around for other options.
Dave Logan had an interesting take on Cutler. He said that in *all* of his (Logan's) years in football — as a player, as a coach (hs), and as an announcer — that Cutler was hands down the most stubborn player he'd ever met.

That's sayin' something. I mean, you're talking NFL-level egos here.

I think you're right about the drinking/diabetes thing, Tell, but I don't think Cutler is dumb...

just... so... entrenched... in... doing... things... his... way...**

...that he might have been "immovable" in JM's system; therefore he had to be moved, if that makes any sense.

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