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Old 04-30-2009, 10:46 AM   #1
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Default i think the biggest problem with mcdaniels rookie drafting experience...

he was too inflexible, at the end of the day. look at the 4th round safety (burton i think), there was a DT immediately after. i think when it came down to it, he followed the BPA philosophy too far instead of drafting at positions of true need, he always took the higher rated player when we didnt need them. i think if he had a safety rated slightly higher than a DT (like sammy lee hill), he took the safety even though we didnt need another one and we really needed DT.

i think he also got a bit too antsy and traded up too many times when players likely would have fell atleast a bit further, however i think thats also because his draft lists were dwindling far faster than anticipated and he didnt want to risk having to pick an unknown, hed rather get FEWER players, but players that he has spoken to and knew would contribute to the team.

overall for a first draft i think he did really good.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:48 AM   #2
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The Burton pick IMO had a lot to do with special teams. IMO he really wanted to add 2-3 players that could help there.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:52 AM   #3
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The Burton pick IMO had a lot to do with special teams. IMO he really wanted to add 2-3 players that could help there.
I think you are right on the money
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The Burton pick IMO had a lot to do with special teams. IMO he really wanted to add 2-3 players that could help there.
That makes sense on Day Two I guess ...

Was Bruton the only ND player drafted ... anybody?

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Old 04-30-2009, 11:00 AM   #5
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That makes sense on Day 2 I suppose.
I'm not saying they don't think he can be a starter someday, only that I think his special teams prowess played into Broncos taking Bruton at that spot instead of maybe a big DT that you know won't help on kick coverage.

From what Notre Dame fans say this Bruton kid is pretty crazy on special teams. I guess he likes to come flying in full speed trying to kill people. Broncos could use some of that.

Also I have this feeling Broncos special teams will be manned with a crazier mentality then the past. These guys will be flying around trying to make a roster spot.
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Special Teams has been a thorn in the side of the Broncos for a long time (aside from Elam, but even he was just a field goal kicker). STs plays a huge role in field position for both offense and defense.
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McD seems to want backups that are aces on special teams...whereas Shany tried to turn backups into special teamers.

See the Arrington, Griesen, and Burton pickups. All of those guys are known for their special team ability.

IMO, I think it is a welcome change. I mean a 4th string safety will never see the field, so if he is a special team stud then I am thrilled. It is a great philosophy.
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McD seems to want backups that are aces on special teams...whereas Shany tried to turn backups into special teamers.
This board doesn't care for special teamers either ... in the threead "Which LBs Would You Cut?", Louis Green had as many votes as Boss Bailey.

Louis Green, and Mike Leach for that matter, have been excellent special teamers for us ...
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This board doesn't care for special teamers either ... in the threead "Which LBs Would You Cut?", Louis Green had as many votes as Boss Bailey.

Louis Green, and Mike Leach for that matter, have been excellent special teamers for us ...
I'm thinking that if WW doesn't start at LB, then he's gonna be a great STs guy. Hence, I voted Green off the island...

I'm about to vote you off the island too, you lousy, no good liberal.
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Yes, Bruton was the only Golden Domer selected in this year's draft...

Me thinks Weiss gave McLovin' the suggestion...
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IMO we are going to have a great special teams unit for a change. I can't wait! It will be so nice to start out with good field position and to make the opponents start out with bad field position. That element has been missing from the Broncos for a long time.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:25 AM   #12
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he was too inflexible, at the end of the day. look at the 4th round safety (burton i think), there was a DT immediately after. i think when it came down to it, he followed the BPA philosophy too far instead of drafting at positions of true need, he always took the higher rated player when we didnt need them. i think if he had a safety rated slightly higher than a DT (like sammy lee hill), he took the safety even though we didnt need another one and we really needed DT.

i think he also got a bit too antsy and traded up too many times when players likely would have fell atleast a bit further, however i think thats also because his draft lists were dwindling far faster than anticipated and he didnt want to risk having to pick an unknown, hed rather get FEWER players, but players that he has spoken to and knew would contribute to the team.

overall for a first draft i think he did really good.

Don't you think that if they actually wanted that DT they would have taken him? Contrary to popular belief, these people aren't retarded. If after the next few seasons that DT emerges as a force, well then hooray, our front office fails. For now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they have some kind of idea of how to do their job.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:32 AM   #13
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I think he sees a team with virtually no depth across the board (whose fault is that?), and he's doing what he can to fill it. Obviously the fanbase has seen a terrible Front 7 for years (same question as above) and wants it addressed whereas McD is just coming on the scene. If in '10 or '11, he's still doing the same thing, then there's definitely a reason to complain. Right now there's a blank slate, he doesn't deserve any faith in his picks nor he deserve any derision either because he has no track record. If Shanahan had pulled out this draft, the majority of the board would be scared to death of all 4 picks on defense because they can from positions that Shanahan had an established track record of an inability to find guys through the draft at those positions.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:32 AM   #14
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Did you watch his press conference on Sunday night? Whenever he talked about STs he got deadly serious. He realises their importance.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:39 AM   #15
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He's rebuilding the defense from scratch basically and this was a weak draft for DL. I'd say he did the smart thing in taking significantly more talented DBs over DLs who might not even stick in the league through their first season.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:46 AM   #16
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He's rebuilding the defense from scratch basically and this was a weak draft for DL. I'd say he did the smart thing in taking significantly more talented DBs over DLs who might not even stick in the league through their first season.
Thats what I think too...

I don't think he was too impressed with what we could have gotten at our spot.

The Patriots draft the same way....they draft best value on the board no matter what position....

(uh oh, i think thats going to make me a Patriots fan)
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:56 AM   #17
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Actually I give McDaniels a great deal of credit for sticking to his board and not going for a "quick fix" at need positions. It would have been easy to appease the masses and the draft gurus but, even as a rookie head coach in his first draft, he did not lose sight of the big picture. He has a plan and he has the balls to stick to it. Part of that plan is long-term success by drafting the BPA. If he doesn't demonstrate commitment to his plan and faith in his staff, how can he expect the players to follow? I like his confidence and I like his toughness.
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Special Teams was only behind the horrific front 7 and secondary in terms of things that screwed us last year

I welcome that changing
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Many believe that it will take some time to build the defense, so then why do people get upset they didn't take some project DL, at least in their eyes, and went with guys they thought would be the better players and help the team more?

I think McDaniels would have shown more inflexibility if he has just decided he was going with a DL no matter who it was and where it was, and not worrying about a player higher rated available on their draft board.

When you do things like that, not only do you likely not improve your weakness, but a weakness that develops in a year or two wasn't addressed either since you missed out on some better talent and now your holes are becoming numerous and that's how you keep losing.

Don't forget, this is the NFL. Guys go down with an injury at a moment's notice. You need to draft well regardless of position for when a guy does go down, you need someone who can play at that spot.
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Don't you think that if they actually wanted that DT they would have taken him? Contrary to popular belief, these people aren't retarded. If after the next few seasons that DT emerges as a force, well then hooray, our front office fails. For now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they have some kind of idea of how to do their job.
Dead on the money!
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I might be a lousy liberal ... but I sure as hell don't live on no island!
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:48 PM   #22
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Yes, Bruton was the only Golden Domer selected in this year's draft...

Me thinks Weiss gave McLovin' the suggestion...
Bingo.
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Yes, Bruton was the only Golden Domer selected in this year's draft...

Me thinks Weiss gave McLovin' the suggestion...
Or him being one of the best ST gunners in all of college football last year. Take your pick.
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I love how people think they know more about our needs than a a multiple Super Bowl Winning experienced paid professional
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:39 PM   #25
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You know who I really, really want to watch on Special Teams?

Our seventh round draft pick Blake Schlueter. I know the dude is a Center, but he must be a hell of an athlete. The dude weighs 290 and runs a 4.7 40 yard dash.

That is some serious power at 290 lbs. He gonna blow somebody up.
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