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Old 04-29-2009, 12:36 AM   #1
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I know, it's way early, but why not?

QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:43 AM   #2
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I know, it's way early, but why not?

QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton
i think you can toss off, McChesney, Boss, JMFW, and add Barrett back onto the roster. also, i think we keep 6 receivers. McDaniels like his players in the secondary, and Barrett has to much physical ability to not be kept around and he likes to toss the ball around so more receivers is likely
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Barrett will be the fifth safety, Moss not likey to make it but might out of lack of OLB warm bodies unless a couple of these UDFA's shine ( as I hope). Boss I have cvan make it back but not certain about taht with his multiple knee issues and microfracture as well.

And no way we go into this season with only 5 WR. Not with all the 3 WR sets McD runs. 6 WR minimum and at least one or two more on the PS.

BTW do they get 10 guys this year on PS or is it still 8? 10 would be very nice.
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I agree about boss, but I dont think you toss JMFW. He has only been in the league 1yr!
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Good point about the multiple WR sets. I'd drop L Jordan and add Chad Jackson. He showed some glimpses last year, and his speed would stretch the field.
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I know, it's way early, but why not?

QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton
Interesting roster, to say the least. We get to see who survived the great purges.

Training camp will determine who's who, of course, but I can't imagine McDaniels burying Moreno on the depth chart, if that was a depth chart.

He'll start Moreno if the kid flashes the skill everyone seems to think he has.

That Paxton signing still irritates me if only because it signaled McDaniels intentions to strip the roster down to the primer and start over with 'his' guys, and it just wasn't necessary in some well documented and argued cases.

I'm not sure Boss Bailey is a 'go' either. He might be nudged into retirement because that knee may be chronic.
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I really hope to God that Ayers does not play De in 3-4 but can start at outside linebacker or it could be a complete waste of a first rounder. Dumervil and Bailey starting at outside linebacker also scares the hell out of me. I would run the ball right at them for 9 yards a carry every time .I hope the Broncos go after Jason Taylor and Vonnie Halladay. Taylor, Williams, Larson and Ayers at linebacker with Halladay, Fields and Thomas on the front line would be a decent front 7.
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I agree about boss, but I dont think you toss JMFW. He has only been in the league 1yr!
I think Broncos like Mcbath because he can play CB and FS. Jack Williams will have to show something to stick around. I think players like him should really look to sell out early in camp on special teams. How a player performs on special teams will determine the bkups.

I really believe the new coach will do that more then Shanny did. IMO Shanny wanted bkups he thought would make good starters. In the end he ended up with bkups who weren't very good at selling out on special teams. More like guys waiting for chance to start.
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I really hope to God that Ayers does not play De in 3-4 but can start at outside linebacker or it could be a complete waste of a first rounder. Dumervil and Bailey starting at outside linebacker also scares the hell out of me. I would run the ball right at them for 9 yards a carry every time .I hope the Broncos go after Jason Taylor and Vonnie Halladay. Taylor, Williams, Larson and Ayers at linebacker with Halladay, Fields and Thomas on the front line would be a decent front 7.
i see Ayers playing SOLB in the 3-4 and when we switch into the 4-3 he puts his hand in the dirt and plays DE.
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I think Broncos like Mcbath because he can play CB and FS. Jack Williams will have to show something to stick around. I think players like him should really look to sell out early in camp on special teams. How a player performs on special teams will determine the bkups.

I really believe the new coach will do that more then Shanny did. IMO Shanny wanted bkups he thought would make good starters. In the end he ended up with bkups who weren't very good at selling out on special teams. More like guys waiting for chance to start.
that's one thing i never cared for with Mike. he was always willing to break the bank on starters, but there was never any depth behind them.

that is what i like about the Pats. no matter who gets injured, the backup steps right in and they don't skip a beat. Mike's teams were never like that, a starter got injured and we all knew we were screwed.
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i think you can toss off, McChesney, Boss, JMFW, and add Barrett back onto the roster. also, i think we keep 6 receivers. McDaniels like his players in the secondary, and Barrett has to much physical ability to not be kept around and he likes to toss the ball around so more receivers is likely
I disagree completely. Barrett does not at all fit in with the type of guys we've added. He has very poor ball skills, and doesn't seem like an intelligent guy. JMFW has very good ball skills, and McD obviously doesn't have a problem with short corners. I'd say keep JMFW, drop Barrett.

Also, I'd say Crowder is more likely to stick than Moss.

Definitely on the roster:
QB: Orton, Simms
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Gaffney
TE: Graham, Quinn
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson
NT: Fields, Baker
OLB: Reid, Ayers, Crowder, Dumervil
ILB: DJ, David, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

Specialists: Paxton, Prater, Kern

That's 41 guys. For the remaining 12 spots,

QB: Brandstater
HB: Jordan, Torain
WR: Stokely, McKinley
TE: Scheffler

DE: Clemons
NT: Powell
OLB: Moss, Robinson
CB: Bell
S: Barrett


This leaves Bailey as the biggest cut. The other wildcard would be a Scheffler trade, but we would still likely keep 3 TEs.

So the final roster:
QB: Orton, Simms, Brandstater
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter, Jordan, Torain
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE: Graham, Quinn, Scheffler
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
OC: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson, Clemons (Powell)
NT: Fields, Baker, Powell
OLB: Reid, Dumervil, Ayers, Crowder, Moss, Robinson
ILB: Williams, Davis, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW, Bell
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton, Barrett

LS: Paxton
K: Prater
P: Kern
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Old 04-29-2009, 04:54 AM   #12
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Moreno had better be the starter or there was no reason to draft him this year and we wasted the pick on the offensive side of the ball. RB is one of the easier positions that make an immediate impact in the NFL, look at Chris Johnson last year. That is even more true considering the offensive line. Moreno had better be the starter or be out with an injury or there in no justification for drafting him with the #12 overall.

Don't give me that crap about what if Buckhalter or the other guys play better, you invested the draft pick and the #1 should ALWAYS play, that is why you drafted him.
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Old 04-29-2009, 05:00 AM   #13
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Barrett will be the fifth safety, Moss not likey to make it but might out of lack of OLB warm bodies unless a couple of these UDFA's shine ( as I hope). Boss I have cvan make it back but not certain about taht with his multiple knee issues and microfracture as well.

And no way we go into this season with only 5 WR. Not with all the 3 WR sets McD runs. 6 WR minimum and at least one or two more on the PS.

BTW do they get 10 guys this year on PS or is it still 8? 10 would be very nice.
Shooting from the hip here, what about trying to stick Barrett at OLB.

Dude is 6'2 225 and was known as a really good run stuffer in college. Ran a 4.3 40, and is a big hitter. You could pack another 10 lbs in muscle without losing major speed to bring him up to 235

D.J. is 6'1 242, you add those ten lbs to Barrett and you are close. Plus he is a guy who could drop and cover the TE because he has some coverage skills from playing S. I would be more comfortable with Barrett as the OLB than trying to stick Dummerville or Moss on the outside.

Honestly I have no idea where to stick Dummerville, it is obvious that he can't play end in a 3-4 because he is going to get knocked out of the way really easily.
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Old 04-29-2009, 06:50 AM   #14
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If that is a depth chart, Moreno is in the wrong place.

Wait until training camp, this kid is going to sell some jerseys in Denver... And, he is a straight up great character kid, well spoken, and mature. Whether you know it or not, Moreno will be the "face of the franchise" by mid season, and that's a good thing in my book. Understated, confident, goal driven, loves the game, wants to be the next Walter Peyton. No temper tantrums, girlfriend beatings, DUI's.

Moreno jerseys will be the schnizzle by mid season.
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Old 04-29-2009, 06:54 AM   #15
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Don't forget, McDaniels has already publicly said he doesn't want to carry more than 6, so factor in inactive players and it really should be 7 or 8 max.
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I disagree completely. Barrett does not at all fit in with the type of guys we've added. He has very poor ball skills, and doesn't seem like an intelligent guy. JMFW has very good ball skills, and McD obviously doesn't have a problem with short corners. I'd say keep JMFW, drop Barrett.

Also, I'd say Crowder is more likely to stick than Moss.

Definitely on the roster:
QB: Orton, Simms
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Gaffney
TE: Graham, Quinn
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson
NT: Fields, Baker
OLB: Reid, Ayers, Crowder, Dumervil
ILB: DJ, David, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

Specialists: Paxton, Prater, Kern

That's 41 guys. For the remaining 12 spots,

QB: Brandstater
HB: Jordan, Torain
WR: Stokely, McKinley
TE: Scheffler

DE: Clemons
NT: Powell
OLB: Moss, Robinson
CB: Bell
S: Barrett


This leaves Bailey as the biggest cut. The other wildcard would be a Scheffler trade, but we would still likely keep 3 TEs.

So the final roster:
QB: Orton, Simms, Brandstater
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter, Jordan, Torain
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE: Graham, Quinn, Scheffler
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
OC: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson, Clemons (Powell)
NT: Fields, Baker, Powell
OLB: Reid, Dumervil, Ayers, Crowder, Moss, Robinson
ILB: Williams, Davis, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW, Bell
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton, Barrett

LS: Paxton
K: Prater
P: Kern

No Schleuter?
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Shooting from the hip here, what about trying to stick Barrett at OLB.

Dude is 6'2 225 and was known as a really good run stuffer in college. Ran a 4.3 40, and is a big hitter. You could pack another 10 lbs in muscle without losing major speed to bring him up to 235

D.J. is 6'1 242, you add those ten lbs to Barrett and you are close. Plus he is a guy who could drop and cover the TE because he has some coverage skills from playing S. I would be more comfortable with Barrett as the OLB than trying to stick Dummerville or Moss on the outside.

Honestly I have no idea where to stick Dummerville, it is obvious that he can't play end in a 3-4 because he is going to get knocked out of the way really easily.
That's not a bad idea (Barrett to OLB). If Barrett could bulk up, his size and speed would make him very vesatile! I have little faith in Moss, but I can see Dumervil being successful in the transition from DE to OLB.
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I think too early for this. I think this team will still be making moves this summer.
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No Schleuter?
A 7th round pick, coming in at under 290 pounds? Sounds like a practice squad guy to me. He's very scheme specific, so little chance he gets scooped up by another team. I feel we go the same route with this kid that we did with Greg Eslinger.
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Boss Bailey shouldn't make the final roster
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Shooting from the hip here, what about trying to stick Barrett at OLB.

Dude is 6'2 225 and was known as a really good run stuffer in college. Ran a 4.3 40, and is a big hitter. You could pack another 10 lbs in muscle without losing major speed to bring him up to 235

D.J. is 6'1 242, you add those ten lbs to Barrett and you are close. Plus he is a guy who could drop and cover the TE because he has some coverage skills from playing S. I would be more comfortable with Barrett as the OLB than trying to stick Dummerville or Moss on the outside.

Honestly I have no idea where to stick Dummerville, it is obvious that he can't play end in a 3-4 because he is going to get knocked out of the way really easily.

Absolutely not. IF Barrett can pack on 10 pounds, he'll still be 7 pounds lighter than DJ. And everyone considers DJ to be a little too small for a 3-4 backer. Find me ONE 3-4 linebacker, inside or out, less than 240 pounds. IF we were running the Shanny 4-3, he MIGHT make an Ian Gold type of linebacker, but that kind of player has no role in a 3-4 defense.
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What about Arrington? I think if his health is good, he has a chance. He is versatile with his speed, catching ability, and return skills. He and Buckhalter are similiar so they could be fighting for a spot, but JJ is 2 years younger and 30 is ofter a turning point for RBs.

He was one of the first guys we went after in FA and we continued to do so even after he showed up on crutches. I think it points to McD's liking for the guy.

IMHO it will be one of these guys who fill the "Faulk" role.

Last point, NE's 2008 roster only had 4 backs, but like the Broncos, they too went through several and McD might want to keep several.

I bet Moreno gets stuck on the practice squad.

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A 7th round pick, coming in at under 290 pounds? Sounds like a practice squad guy to me. He's very scheme specific, so little chance he gets scooped up by another team. I feel we go the same route with this kid that we did with Greg Eslinger.
gotcha, but the 3 UDFA's are a lock for the roster....
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Well, they play at much bigger positions of need. As far as interior linemen, we're pretty set. I don't see McD carrying more than 8 OLinemen, so I just don't think there's room for him on the roster. Whereas at NT and OLB, we will have some roster spots available, given our current lack of depth, so I see them as being more likely to make the roster.
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Well, they play at much bigger positions of need. As far as interior linemen, we're pretty set. I don't see McD carrying more than 8 OLinemen, so I just don't think there's room for him on the roster. Whereas at NT and OLB, we will have some roster spots available, given our current lack of depth, so I see them as being more likely to make the roster.
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