Our Offense - The Orange Mane

TheDave · 04-27-2009, 01:06 PM

OK...

First let me start by saying that I am one of those "Cutler nut swingers". So trading him was in my mind the stupidist ****ing things that anyone could of done. Your not going to change my mind on that so don't bother trying.

But the end result is that it is what it is and we all need to move on at some point.

The fact is our offense right now could be REALLY special. Currentely we have one of if not the best Offensive lines in the game.

Royal and Marshall are perfect compliments to each other and we have significant talent behind them.

Our tight ends now include 2 stud blockers in Graham and Quinn along with an excellent recieving option in sheffler.

Or running backs are deep talented and diverse... Wether we want to play the paower running game, our typical ZBS, single back spread offense. No matter what it is we have the players to run it, and JMO, but I think Moreno will be freakishly special in this offense.

Our QB's are experienced game manager types. I've watched 6 of Ortons games now from last season and he is good enough to get the job done with this talent around him. Though it was sometimes ugly, he managed to play well enough with a crappy offensive line in Chicago to keep them in games. With our talent he should be that much better... and as a side note, he has plenty of Arm strength. It's not on the same planet as Cutler but it is good enough to get the job done.

Finally, we come to coaching. Like him or not McDaniels has been a good offensive coordinator and has shown the ability to put the offensive puzzle pieces together on Sundays. With the exception of Brady we might have more weapons and a better Oline than NE did in 2007.

The end result is that we should be able to score a lot of points this year. Unfortunately I think our defense will still find ways to give up just as many. I have a feeling that 2009 is going to be a year long feeling out process for our defensive coaching staff. But if the offense can keep the preasure on opposing teams and chew up some clock this season may be better than some of us thought. 8-8 won the division last year... 9 wins probably gets it done this year.

DenverBrit · 04-27-2009, 01:14 PM

What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

TheDave · 04-27-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

The other thing I like is that our offense should be VERY versatile... We should be able to line up and play in any type game.

Gcver2ver3 · 04-27-2009, 01:18 PM

our offense will score more than last year's offense...

i believe last year's offense was in the middle of the pack in points scored, and that was after starting the first few weeks out as the #1 points scoring team...

our defense has nowhere to go but up...it may not be great next year but it'll be better...

our offense has a real chance to be potent...Orton has everything a QB could EVER ask for...great QB coach/offensive scheme, great o-line, talented backfield, great WR corp...

rugbythug · 04-27-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

The other thing I like is that our offense should be VERY versatile... We should be able to line up and play in any type game.

THis versatility will be nice when we get a game in the elements. In days of old if the rain was too heavy we could not win.

CBF1 · 04-27-2009, 01:27 PM

I am counting on Orton going Brees this season. Once Brees left San Diego he went for a good QB to a wildman.

Dave, sure I can not change your mind?

TheDave · 04-27-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CBF1

I am counting on Orton going Brees this season. Once Brees left San Diego he went for a good QB to a wildman.

Dave, sure I can not change your mind?

Yes... I'm slowly taking steps back from the "we traded a franchise QB ledge"

In all seriousness though, I am VERY excited about the potential of this offense.

PRBronco · 04-27-2009, 01:34 PM

The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.

Also as far as terrible candid off field photos go, I'd say it's a push.

SoDak Bronco · 04-27-2009, 01:40 PM

next year we are going to struggle with all the new schemes on Offense and Defense. We are 6-10 team next year.

DenverBrit · 04-27-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRBronco

The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.

Also as far as terrible candid off field photos go, I'd say it's a push.

Orton will do well behind the Broncos OL and will have a better scheme and playmakers to work than he had in Chicago.
It will be interesting to see how much Jay has to 'tone' down his game to fit Chicago's conservative scheme.

I wish them both well and look forward to seeing how they compare.

One thing's certain, Orton will enjoy the CO winters more than Chicago's

nickademus · 04-27-2009, 01:42 PM

While I didnt like the cutler trade (hes my fantasy qb in a keeper league) Orton will do fine with the ammnt. of talent we have. the one thing lacking in this O was the ability to punch suckers in the mouth in the red zone and on short yardage situations. Problem solved. I really didnt like the trade of next years 1st but I can see what the FO is doing here and I would be shocked if we were not in the top 10 in terms of turnovers this season. I liked our UDFA class and I wouldnt be surprised to see the Dline feature Baker or Pedescleaux at some point. had these guys as 5th rd talent in alot of mocks that I saw.

lex · 04-27-2009, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

Blech. When we had Pittman as the goal line specialist and even Hillis in there, scoring TDs from in close wasnt really much of a problem. The not scoring inside the 20s indicates the effect of injuries at RBs.

Garcia Bronco · 04-27-2009, 01:55 PM

When your QB and #1 WR turn the ball over repeatedly inside the redzone, your producton will never look good.

cousinal11 · 04-27-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lex

Blech. When we had Pittman as the goal line specialist and even Hillis in there, scoring TDs from in close wasnt really much of a problem. The not scoring inside the 20s indicates the effect of injuries at RBs.

socalorado · 04-27-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

Yes... I'm slowly taking steps back from the "we traded a franchise QB ledge"

In all seriousness though, I am VERY excited about the potential of this offense.

Its hard not to be excited with all the offensive firepower.
Orton is 22-12. In chitcago!! With NO offense!
So i think with MCD and a new lease on life, this should at the very least be fun!

no-pseudo-fan · 04-27-2009, 02:02 PM

I see an offense that can dictate what a defense defends. It has the pieces to test any weakness in a defense.

Gcver2ver3 · 04-27-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRBronco

The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.

people will be eating crow left and right when they watch this guy play this season...

BroncosinDC · 04-27-2009, 02:18 PM

I hate McDaniels, I think he is egotistical prick. I don't think I would enjoy having a beer with him, nor would I want to play a round of golf with him. That being said in my football playing days we won more games with a prick as a coach then with a nice guy. I also enjoyed those days much more because we would come home with wins.

In most cases we were not the most talented or biggest team on the field...we did however have disipline and a team first attitude. Those do seem to be the traits of truely championship caliber football teams. We also have a great looking offense, granted Cutler added more dimensions and abilities but also added some bonehead moves. So it may be a wash I'll take a few consertive passes over miracle balls. Orton seems like he is a tough level headed down to earth guy so I think we will be ok, and hopefully can pound it into the enzone and not sputter out.

Defense scares me an awful lot. But if we can now run the ball and control a clock instead of either scoring extreamly quick or going 3 and out we might be better.

As one of my prick OL coaches once said, "I don't give a **** if they score 200 points, you're ****ing up if we don't score 201."

barryr · 04-27-2009, 02:18 PM

Orton is terrible because he doesn't throw hard. That's the astute player analysis we have going.

Never Trust a Snake · 04-27-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

I attribute the lack of scoring last year to:

1. Green offensive unit - second youngest in the NFL
2. Poor starting field position
3. Bad luck

The offensive unit last season was strong across the board:

Yards/play: 2nd - NFL (6.2)
1st downs/game: T 2nd -NFL (22.1)
1st down percentage on passes: 9th - NFL (36.0)
Yards/passing play: T 9th - NFL (9.3)
Yards/rushing play: T 2nd -NFL (4.8)
1st down percentage on rushes: 2nd - NFL (26.6)

With a little more experience, they were bound to be an elite unit.

Enter Orton and you have a below-average QB (marginal starter) replacing a top 5-7 QB. Denver's offense won't be better. If they score more points, it will be because of a) better field position b) more support from the DEF/ST c) better luck.

BroncosinDC · 04-27-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barryr

Orton is terrible because he doesn't throw hard. That's the astute player analysis we have going.

Elway and Cutler threw hard, Griese and Plummer not so much. So for your casual football fan/someone who only pays attention to the Broncos since 1983 the Halmark of greatness is mobility and arm strength. Though with Elway you have to add more like desire, and leadership.

Peyton Manning throws some floaters, Brady looks lost outside the pocket, but by Denver standards of greatness they suck.

Its logical for some Denver fans to equate not having a cannon arm as suck...doesn't make it necessarily right but can be understandable.

KS Bronco · 04-27-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncosinDC

I hate McDaniels, I think he is egotistical prick. I don't think I would enjoy having a beer with him, nor would I want to play a round of golf with him. That being said in my football playing days we won more games with a prick as a coach then with a nice guy. I also enjoyed those days much more because we would come home with wins.

In most cases we were not the most talented or biggest team on the field...we did however have disipline and a team first attitude. Those do seem to be the traits of truely championship caliber football teams. We also have a great looking offense, granted Cutler added more dimensions and abilities but also added some bonehead moves. So it may be a wash I'll take a few consertive passes over miracle balls. Orton seems like he is a tough level headed down to earth guy so I think we will be ok, and hopefully can pound it into the enzone and not sputter out.

Defense scares me an awful lot. But if we can now run the ball and control a clock instead of either scoring extreamly quick or going 3 and out we might be better.

As one of my prick OL coaches once said, "I don't give a **** if they score 200 points, you're ****ing up if we don't score 201."

so you've met our new coach? what's he like? no way anyone on this site would make purely hypothetical and ungrounded obnoxious statements

Pony Boy · 04-27-2009, 02:27 PM

play action, play action, play action, it demands respect!

I see us in the red zone with Hillis in the true fullback position and Moreno behind him. Orton can quick handoff to Hillis or pitch to Moreno with Hillis clearing a path or take two steps back and flip the ball to Marshall or Royal. It should make Orton a lot better QB.

Watch some old film where Hillis cleared the way for McFadden or Felix Jones.

Never Trust a Snake · 04-27-2009, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barryr

Orton is terrible because he doesn't throw hard. That's the astute player analysis we have going.

Orton stinks because:

1. He doesn't complete his passes (55.3 career completion pct) His career high is 58.5%!!!!

2. He's not efficient (5.8 career yards/attempt)

3. He's not a game manager. He has just three more career TDs than INTs.

Orton is good in a short-term role, 3-6 games if your starter gets hurt. Over time, he's a below average starting QB.

oubronco · 04-27-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRBronco

The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.

Also as far as terrible candid off field photos go, I'd say it's a push.

just look at what he did in Chicago thats all you need

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04-27-2009, 01:06 PM	#1
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Our Offense OK... First let me start by saying that I am one of those "Cutler nut swingers". So trading him was in my mind the stupidist ****ing things that anyone could of done. Your not going to change my mind on that so don't bother trying. But the end result is that it is what it is and we all need to move on at some point. The fact is our offense right now could be REALLY special. Currentely we have one of if not the best Offensive lines in the game. Royal and Marshall are perfect compliments to each other and we have significant talent behind them. Our tight ends now include 2 stud blockers in Graham and Quinn along with an excellent recieving option in sheffler. Or running backs are deep talented and diverse... Wether we want to play the paower running game, our typical ZBS, single back spread offense. No matter what it is we have the players to run it, and JMO, but I think Moreno will be freakishly special in this offense. Our QB's are experienced game manager types. I've watched 6 of Ortons games now from last season and he is good enough to get the job done with this talent around him. Though it was sometimes ugly, he managed to play well enough with a crappy offensive line in Chicago to keep them in games. With our talent he should be that much better... and as a side note, he has plenty of Arm strength. It's not on the same planet as Cutler but it is good enough to get the job done. Finally, we come to coaching. Like him or not McDaniels has been a good offensive coordinator and has shown the ability to put the offensive puzzle pieces together on Sundays. With the exception of Brady we might have more weapons and a better Oline than NE did in 2007. The end result is that we should be able to score a lot of points this year. Unfortunately I think our defense will still find ways to give up just as many. I have a feeling that 2009 is going to be a year long feeling out process for our defensive coaching staff. But if the offense can keep the preasure on opposing teams and chew up some clock this season may be better than some of us thought. 8-8 won the division last year... 9 wins probably gets it done this year.

04-27-2009, 01:14 PM	#2
DenverBrit Just hanging out. Got a breath mint?? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 11,071 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Team	What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties. Seems obvious. But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring). I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

04-27-2009, 01:18 PM	#4
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	our offense will score more than last year's offense... i believe last year's offense was in the middle of the pack in points scored, and that was after starting the first few weeks out as the #1 points scoring team... our defense has nowhere to go but up...it may not be great next year but it'll be better... our offense has a real chance to be potent...Orton has everything a QB could EVER ask for...great QB coach/offensive scheme, great o-line, talented backfield, great WR corp...

04-27-2009, 01:27 PM	#6
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	I am counting on Orton going Brees this season. Once Brees left San Diego he went for a good QB to a wildman. Dave, sure I can not change your mind?

04-27-2009, 01:34 PM	#8
PRBronco FML less Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,206 Adopt-a-Bronco: I'm so alone	The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back. Also as far as terrible candid off field photos go, I'd say it's a push.

04-27-2009, 01:40 PM	#9
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	next year we are going to struggle with all the new schemes on Offense and Defense. We are 6-10 team next year.

04-27-2009, 01:42 PM	#11
nickademus Samurai of Smack Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,105 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	While I didnt like the cutler trade (hes my fantasy qb in a keeper league) Orton will do fine with the ammnt. of talent we have. the one thing lacking in this O was the ability to punch suckers in the mouth in the red zone and on short yardage situations. Problem solved. I really didnt like the trade of next years 1st but I can see what the FO is doing here and I would be shocked if we were not in the top 10 in terms of turnovers this season. I liked our UDFA class and I wouldnt be surprised to see the Dline feature Baker or Pedescleaux at some point. had these guys as 5th rd talent in alot of mocks that I saw.

04-27-2009, 01:55 PM	#13
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	When your QB and #1 WR turn the ball over repeatedly inside the redzone, your producton will never look good.

04-27-2009, 02:02 PM	#16
no-pseudo-fan True Orange & Blue Follow me... Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: EPT Posts: 2,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Hidalgo	I see an offense that can dictate what a defense defends. It has the pieces to test any weakness in a defense.

04-27-2009, 02:18 PM	#18
BroncosinDC Now Live From Baltimore! True Men have Facial Hair Join Date: May 2008 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 530 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kyle Orton	I hate McDaniels, I think he is egotistical prick. I don't think I would enjoy having a beer with him, nor would I want to play a round of golf with him. That being said in my football playing days we won more games with a prick as a coach then with a nice guy. I also enjoyed those days much more because we would come home with wins. In most cases we were not the most talented or biggest team on the field...we did however have disipline and a team first attitude. Those do seem to be the traits of truely championship caliber football teams. We also have a great looking offense, granted Cutler added more dimensions and abilities but also added some bonehead moves. So it may be a wash I'll take a few consertive passes over miracle balls. Orton seems like he is a tough level headed down to earth guy so I think we will be ok, and hopefully can pound it into the enzone and not sputter out. Defense scares me an awful lot. But if we can now run the ball and control a clock instead of either scoring extreamly quick or going 3 and out we might be better. As one of my prick OL coaches once said, "I don't give a ** if they score 200 points, you're **ing up if we don't score 201."

04-27-2009, 02:18 PM	#19
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,267 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Orton is terrible because he doesn't throw hard. That's the astute player analysis we have going.

04-27-2009, 02:27 PM	#23
Pony Boy "Whoa Nellie" Rub some dirt on it Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,280 Adopt-a-Bronco: mellon head	play action, play action, play action, it demands respect! I see us in the red zone with Hillis in the true fullback position and Moreno behind him. Orton can quick handoff to Hillis or pitch to Moreno with Hillis clearing a path or take two steps back and flip the ball to Marshall or Royal. It should make Orton a lot better QB. Watch some old film where Hillis cleared the way for McFadden or Felix Jones.