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Old 04-27-2009, 01:26 PM   #1
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http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4...ecial-report-a

I could not do it justice. Read it and be thankful we have Denver Broncos Fans this smart.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:40 PM   #2
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That mumbo jumbo does nothing to justify the VALUE of these players. Trading a #1 for Smith or two #3s for Quinn.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:41 PM   #3
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That mumbo jumbo does nothing to justify the VALUE of these players. Trading a #1 for Smith or two #3s for Quinn.
A future number one for Smith. And Quinn came back with a 4.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:50 PM   #4
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Still kinda a homer piece. I and a # of posters noted by the mid 2nd round that this was what MCD was doing.
We'll see i guess.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:52 PM   #5
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Wow, convincing read.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:53 PM   #6
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That mumbo jumbo does nothing to justify the VALUE of these players. Trading a #1 for Smith or two #3s for Quinn.
A lot of analysts think Smith was a mid to late 1st rounder.

If they'd traded up to grab a name guy like Brace or Maualuga would that make you feel better about it? The FO thinks he was worth a 1st this year, they're far from the only ones. So trying to affix arbitrary value to him based on a slight slide out of the first round is bringing a slanted view to the move.

Also, it was two middle 3rds for a late 2nd and late 4th. Its pretty reasonable return. They traded two thirds for Quinn and David Bruton, not just Quinn alone.
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There are bozos that do not get it because they do not WANT to get it. They are determined to hate everything.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:56 PM   #8
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Good read.

I am just glad that McStalin had targeted players and he got the players he targeted. They were not racing around scrambling to find the 2nd option.

I will feel better about the team once I see them play. There are still a lot of things that scare me about McStalin but I am trying to hold off until I see the product he puts on the field.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:57 PM   #9
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Hmmmm...... very good read. Changes my thinking!
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Good read.

I am just glad that McStalin had targeted players and he got the players he targeted. They were not racing around scrambling to find the 2nd option.

I will feel better about the team once I see them play. There are still a lot of things that scare me about McStalin but I am trying to hold off until I see the product he puts on the field.

If you're going to call the coach that kind of stuff, then one can see you already have an opinion, so stop the B.S
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:59 PM   #11
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Great read. That guy knows what he's talking about...
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:02 PM   #12
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There are bozos that do not get it because they do not WANT to get it. They are determined to hate everything.
Yup. It's like the anti-team fan. I don't really get it.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:02 PM   #13
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A lot of analysts think Smith was a mid to late 1st rounder.

If they'd traded up to grab a name guy like Brace or Maualuga would that make you feel better about it? The FO thinks he was worth a 1st this year, they're far from the only ones. So trying to affix arbitrary value to him based on a slight slide out of the first round is bringing a slanted view to the move.

Also, it was two middle 3rds for a late 2nd and late 4th. Its pretty reasonable return. They traded two thirds for Quinn and David Bruton, not just Quinn alone.
Better yet, they get a 1st round talent and pay 2nd round money.....and use a 1st round pick from next (uncapped) year. Smoooooth!
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:03 PM   #14
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That mumbo jumbo does nothing to justify the VALUE of these players. Trading a #1 for Smith or two #3s for Quinn.
Whose value, the league's or the TEAM's? Why wait for a first round player next year, when you can get a first round value player a year before that a future position of need?

Seriously, if you can not understand the strategy, then so be it. However, to call it mumbo jumbo is simply to try and discredit it by name calling. The draft is a tool that each team uses differently. Do you agree with the simple draft the highest rated player at the most glaring position of need strategy? Or, why is this consfusing to you?
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:04 PM   #15
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In regards to Moreno
They also denied that player to the one team that really wanted him - SD (division rival). Denver now has that player for (likely) a decade

I do really,really like this!!
I wonder if SD took Ayers who DEN would have taken there.
L.English was my pick.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:13 PM   #16
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A lot of analysts think Smith was a mid to late 1st rounder.
That's the point. Did we trade a midto late 1st rounder? Or did we trade a top 5 pick? I don't know. You don't know. But NEITHER DOES MCDANIELS.

To simply roll the dice with the future of this franchise is downright frightening to me. If the team plays well and the '10 pick is later in the draft and if Smith has a nice career - everyone is happy. Yay team.

And I realize that every pick is a gamble. Every time you put in the card you are, essentially, pulling the lever on the slot machine. And that's fine. But no one can convince me the Broncos couldn't have traded their 09 #2 plus a 3rd or 4th round pick and gotten Smith. Or am I supposed to believe that not only is Smith a HOF player, but so is McBath?

The potential value traded versus the player recieved was not a great move. What is the potential upside on a 5'9" corner? I mean, is this kid Darrell Green? There is a big potential for this to be a real egg on the face and a small chance it works in our favor.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:13 PM   #17
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I could not do it justice. Read it and be thankful we have Denver Broncos Fans this smart.
Really good read, thanks for posting. Well done by hoosierteacher. Still not thrilled with the move up costs and the lack of defensive front 7 improvement but I'm down with most of the picks.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:14 PM   #18
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This was an excellent article.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:14 PM   #19
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Excellent read. Well thought out argument. I still don't see how going to the secondary first over the Dline is going to work, but at least this guy comes up with a rational explanation. Hell, I even got a little inspired reading it. Unfortunately, I've been around too long to believe in pipe dreams. The best laid plans of mice and men... I'm still left with the gaping hole, who plays DT? I can see the offensive layout. Moreno's strength is running up the middle. Putting Graham and Quinn in a 2TE set will pretty much shut down the outside rush. The strength of our receivers is YAC. That's all good. But I don't care how good your secondary is, without the Dline putting pressure up front, you're going to get burned. We have the best CB in football and he can shut down his side of the field, but he spends so much of his time running down backs that get through our porous line. I still go back to the basics. If you can't stop the run, all the rest of this stuff is just theoretical. This coach has written a convincing take, but I want to know where the run stopping is going to come from. Just Ayers?
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:16 PM   #20
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I love the MHR! If nothing else, you better know your stuff before you post and I really like that aspect of that site.

This site is a blast for the same exact reason....but there is a lot of waste and emotion on this site that makes it a great environment also.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:17 PM   #21
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They also denied that player to the one team that really wanted him - SD (division rival). Denver now has that player for (likely) a decade
On NFL Network they had a pre-draft report from San Diego. The female reporter was going over #1 pick possibilities by the Chargers and she reported "San Diego has said they will NOT pick a running back in round one"

I thought that was a curious statement to make at the time. I wonder if it was a smokescreen by the Chargers, and that they really did want Moreno.

On the MH Report article - excellent read. Thanks rugbythug for posting the link.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:17 PM   #22
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Sorry folks I can't even force myself to read much of that article.
I tried since I was curious why a number of people though it was good
but failed.

I could be wrong since I find my mind wandering to other things when
I try to get through reading it.

Could someone give me a summary what about that article is good.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:20 PM   #23
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That mumbo jumbo does nothing to justify the VALUE of these players. Trading a #1 for Smith or two #3s for Quinn.
Maybe and maybe not. If he turns out to be a total stud in a few years, it would be hard to argue it wasn't worth the trade. I think you can't say one way or the other until a few years go by and you see how the player develops.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:22 PM   #24
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Sorry folks I can't even force myself to read much of that article.
I tried since I was curious why a number of people though it was good
but failed.

I could be wrong since I find my mind wandering to other things when
I try to get through reading it.

Could someone give me a summary what about that article is good.
Just read it and form your own opinion.
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That is a good read and reinforces my desire to have patience with what McDaniels is trying to accomplish here in Denver.
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