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Old 04-26-2009, 09:18 AM   #1
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Default What level of production will Alphonso Smith need to have to justify trading a 1st?

Just trying to guage what everyone is now expecting from Alphonso Smith since we traded a huge pick to get him. So what level of production justifies making this move, knowing that Champ Bailey has been wasted because there were flaws with other areas of our defense? So, what is it, 5 INTs and a returnd for a TD, with or without a pass rush?
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It's not just about next year....it's about what he does in his career.

I expect a first round corner (and that is how we had him rated and what we gave up) to be an impact player, who makes a lot of plays....someone we can count on to cover some of the better receivers in the league.

I actually like Alphonso Smith....I just did not like the price we paid to get him.
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Just trying to guage what everyone is now expecting from Alphonso Smith since we traded a huge pick to get him. So what level of production justifies making this move, knowing that Champ Bailey has been wasted because there were flaws with other areas of our defense? So, what is it, 5 INTs and a returnd for a TD, with or without a pass rush?
I can't believe that we gave up our 1st round pick..

Mcd is an idiot and dumb and he is ruining our team..
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I can't believe that we gave up our 1st round pick..

Mcd is an idiot and dumb and he is ruining our team..
Because we were so ****ing good when he was hired.

I'm really high on the Smith pick. He's a player. Period. He'll start for us and play well for us. Who gives a **** if he's 5'9"?
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:26 AM   #6
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by his second year he had better
#1) Secure a starting spot
#2) lead our team in INTs-- with 5 or more

We gave up a top 10 pick in the 1st round to select him--so he is essentially a 2010 1st rounder with on the job training........
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Because we were so ****ing good when he was hired.

I'm really high on the Smith pick. He's a player. Period. He'll start for us and play well for us. Who gives a **** if he's 5'9"?
When? not next year he won't--unless we are planning on trading Champ after the draft.......
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When? not next year he won't--unless we are planning on trading Champ after the draft.......
Who's to say? What if he beats out Goodman this year? Injuries happen. Did anyone expect D-Will/Foxworth to start when the great Lenny Walls was here?
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It's not just about next year....it's about what he does in his career.

I expect a first round corner (and that is how we had him rated and what we gave up) to be an impact player, who makes a lot of plays....someone we can count on to cover some of the better receivers in the league.

I actually like Alphonso Smith....I just did not like the price we paid to get him.
No it is about this year because that is what we had to forego if actually using the pick in the first. In other words, he will be weighed against who we could have had if we waited a year to use that pick in a higher spot. So its about this year and who we could have had.

If we need a NT in the worst way next year and we could have had Cody with that pick (or combined with the other one), its going to merit tremendous scrutiny.
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Because we were so ****ing good when he was hired.
I'm really high on the Smith pick. He's a player. Period. He'll start for us and play well for us. Who gives a **** if he's 5'9"?
and he made us WORSE by getting rid of our starting QB. You will be calling for McDOUCHES head by week 6............some of us are just ahead of the game.........
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He'll have to start, and force teams to consider throwing at Bailey on a regular basis. Sound highly unlikely? It is, and that's why it was a stupid pick.
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Who's to say? What if he beats out Goodman this year? Injuries happen. Did anyone expect D-Will/Foxworth to start when the great Lenny Walls was here?
Was Lenny Walls a FA starter acquirred TO START before they were drafted? Has Goodman been part of an epic defensive meltdown by us in the playoffs? Goodman was brought in TO START. Now I see why so many on this board are still willing to give MCDOUCHE the benefit of the doubt--you have a hard time connecting facts together............
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and he made us WORSE by getting rid of our starting QB. You will be calling for McDOUCHES head by week 6............some of us are just ahead of the game.........
unless we are 5-1, then morons like you will be screaming his praises acting like you never disliked him.
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unless we are 5-1, then morons like you will be screaming his praises acting like you never disliked him.
morons? Care to put your $$ where your mouth is?
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Because we were so ****ing good when he was hired.

I'm really high on the Smith pick. He's a player. Period. He'll start for us and play well for us. Who gives a **** if he's 5'9"?
So, what level of production does he need to play at to justify the pick?
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unless we are 5-1, then morons like you will be screaming his praises acting like you never disliked him.
It ceases to amaze me that people can follow the same team, watch the same games, read the same articles and have totally different takes on our situation........when we get rolled by the BUNGLES in week 1-- only then will you get rid of your blind, and I do mean BLIND faith in the MCD regime.
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I can't believe that we gave up our 1st round pick..

Mcd is an idiot and dumb and he is ruining our team..
Brilliant analysis
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It ceases to amaze me that people can follow the same team, watch the same games, read the same articles and have totally different takes on our situation........when we get rolled by the BUNGLES in week 1-- only then will you get rid of your blind, and I do mean BLIND faith in the MCD regime.
blind faith, or waiting to see if the team is good before i start crying that the team will suck? we havent seen the team perform at ALL, so why start crying they will be absolutely awful?

idiots like you are the people who scream for us to draft the players you like, then those same players suck and you never own up to it. you think if we dont build the team the way you think it needs to be built, all is lost. mcdaniels is drafting tough, smart, team players. thats what we need.
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The thing that Smith could bring to the table is impact within the passing game picking passes, blitzing on 3rd down from the slot as he's had success doing that in college and blocking kicks on special teams. If he can mix up yearly results with around 3-5 picks, a couple pick 6's, 2-4 sacks on the year or a bunch of tackles for loss and a couple game changing ST plays, then he'll be worth the choice. He'll have to give us a Leroy Butler type play just from the CB spot.
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It ceases to amaze me that people can follow the same team, watch the same games, read the same articles and have totally different takes on our situation........when we get rolled by the BUNGLES in week 1-- only then will you get rid of your blind, and I do mean BLIND faith in the MCD regime.
you sound stupid...
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:49 AM   #23
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It depends on where our pick ends up and who gets picked around where we would have picked. I would say you better think he's Darrell Green (which we already know he's not because he doesn't run that fast.)
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It depends on where our pick ends up and who gets picked around where we would have picked. I would say you better think he's Darrell Green (which we already know he's not because he doesn't run that fast.)
It goes beyond that. With two firsts we could have had the ammo to move up. This trade chops the leg from under that possibility.
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This guy would need to be a day one starter. we gave up what could be better than a top ten pick next year so yea he has to play like a top ten pick.
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