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Old 04-25-2009, 11:27 PM   #1
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Default All you people whining about Alphonso Pick answer me this-

Why can't we spend the "Top 5 draft pick" money we would have been spending on an UNTESTED INEXPERIANCED TOP 5 DRAFT PICK instead of ON AN EXPERIANCED, ELITE, FA?

Seriously, are you people new? Top 5/10 picks get paid so much these days, why even bother, especially when you could sign someone like Bart Scott this year in the offseason.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:31 PM   #2
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So you trade down and load up on value picks in the 2nd and 3rd.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:31 PM   #3
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Why can't we spend the "Top 5 draft pick" money we would have been spending on an UNTESTED INEXPERIANCED TOP 5 DRAFT PICK instead of ON AN EXPERIANCED, ELITE, FA?

Seriously, are you people new? Top 5/10 picks get paid so much these days, why even bother, especially when you could sign someone like Bart Scott this year in the offseason.
you really this dumb, or you just trolling teh internetz?
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:33 PM   #4
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Well Genius, because we are going to need a REAL QB next year and there are more than 1 that fits the bill in that draft and guess where they will be drafted TOP 5

Franchise QB's don't become available in FA/Trade, oh wait , unless you have a waterboy running the football team...
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So you trade down and load up on value picks in the 2nd and 3rd.
Load up on more inexperianced, untested players? It's not always easy to trade down, btw.

Still didn't answer the question, we could sign Julius Peppers for instance, who is likely better than anyone we could draft anyway.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:36 PM   #6
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Well Genius, because we are going to need a REAL QB next year and there are more than 1 that fits the bill in that draft and guess where they will be drafted TOP 5

Franchise QB's don't become available in FA/Trade, oh wait , unless you have a waterboy running the football team...
But they become available in the 6th round...
Cassel had a pretty good year, available through FA...

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John Elway was acquired through FA.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:37 PM   #7
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Load up on more inexperianced, untested players? It's not always easy to trade down, btw.

Still didn't answer the question, we could sign Julius Peppers for instance, who is likely better than anyone we could draft anyway.
You certainly could and in certain situations, you would want to go that way. The problem is that Denver is not 1 or 2 players away. The D is full of holes and needs depth and size particularly all over the place.

I got an idea. Why not address some needs in the draft this year? Oh wait.... Maybe 2010? Whoops... already dumped that #1.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:38 PM   #8
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John Elway was acquired through FA.

Strange, I thought he was acquired with a high first round pick.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:39 PM   #9
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I'll give you one example: There is a NT named Cody who, had he come out this year, would have gone in the top five. Next year, the Broncos could have used all the juice they squandered this year and gone after him. Do you know what it does for a 3-4 to have a great NT for ten years? It's like having a LT like Clady. Makes a world of difference. And that's not even getting into the discussion of the QBs coming out next year. I don't care if Alphonse turns out to be another Champ Bailey. That doesn't equal a top NT or a top QB in value.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:39 PM   #10
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I would have rather used the money on Terrance Cody than some "elite FA" looking to get his big 2nd paycheck and then sit on his ass without motivation for the rest of his career.

We may very well have pissed away Mount Cody for this CB. That's ok though....we pissed away Raji and Brace, so maybe we like to do alot of pissing.
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I didn't know this board had near this many half wits.
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You certainly could and in certain situations, you would want to go that way. The problem is that Denver is not 1 or 2 players away. The D is full of holes and needs depth and size particularly all over the place.

I got an idea. Why not address some needs in the draft this year? Oh wait.... Maybe 2010? Whoops... already dumped that #1.
We signed ****tons of FA's this year addressing tons of needs. We can get journeyman (2nd/3rd round equivilants) in FA easily at about the same price.
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John Elway was acquired through FA.
See what I mean?
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We signed ****tons of FA's this year addressing tons of needs. We can get journeyman (2nd/3rd round equivilants) in FA easily at about the same price.
We walked into the draft (after FA) without a starting DL on the roster. Unfortunately, we leave the draft in the same situation.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:42 PM   #15
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If Broncos were worried about paying the top 5 money, they could have pulled the same stunt as Cle did today and traded down.
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But they become available in the 6th round...
Cassel had a pretty good year, available through FA...

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John Elway was acquired through FA.
i see where you are going with that, but we traded a good amount for Elway after the Colts drafted him and he threatened to play baseball instead of play there
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If Broncos were worried about paying the top 5 money, they could have pulled the same stunt as Cle did today and traded down.
It's not always that easy, I'm sure KC would have dropped down if they could have.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:48 PM   #18
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You need to ask yourself a question: Before your team did it, woudl you have supported the idea of trading first round picks for second round picks?

Have you noticed that isn't done very often? Do you think it's because the people with the second round picks aren't willing to make the trades?
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Strange, I thought he was acquired with a high first round pick.
Two of them, actually. Plus a scrub QB.
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It's not always that easy, I'm sure KC would have dropped down if they could have.

It's always easy to do if you're willing to take a second round pick for it. It can sometimes be hard to get the right value. But if you will trade it for a second rounder straight up, you will always find takers.
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Again, we probably lost somewhere between 10-20 draft slots with this trade to pick up a player our staff had slotted as a first round talent. We also get to begin developing that player now, not in 2010.

So, was it risky? Sure. Is it the nightmare people are making it out to be? Not really.
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It's not always that easy, I'm sure KC would have dropped down if they could have.
Sure they could have taken the same deal (or somewhat less) as Cle - the only difference is that they did not want to go down too far and miss Tyson Jackson. They only wanted to trade down to 8 or 9 and still pick TJack which was obviously going to be difficult.
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Again, we probably lost somewhere between 10-20 draft slots with this trade to pick up a player our staff had slotted as a first round talent. We also get to begin developing that player now, not in 2010.

So, was it risky? Sure. Is it the nightmare people are making it out to be? Not really.
Exactly. We get to develop a guy (that was first round talent) today, this season, get his production this year. Plus it wasn't just a 2nd anyway guys, it was a very high second.

Im sure if we go 8-8 and make the playoffs people will be rooting for us to lose in the AFC CG so we don't lose our 18 or so draft spots.
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So you trade down and load up on value picks in the 2nd and 3rd.
Ding Ding.

The great part of a high round pick is you can trade it for a lower 1st rounder + usually a 2nd rounder.

(look at Cleavland)

There is always at least ONE team that wants to move up each year.

We could have had 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders next year... now we just have one of each, and all for a 2nd round pick this year.

That's why people are so pissed off.
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Sure they could have taken the same deal (or somewhat less) as Cle - the only difference is that they did not want to go down too far and miss Tyson Jackson. They only wanted to trade down to 8 or 9 and still pick TJack which was obviously going to be difficult.
draft picks are a crapshoot anyway, I don't think KC messed up at all here, they got their man. We got ours.
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